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MAYDAY - 7/26/2007 2:07:52 PM    Zenguitar   Posts: 7 Joined: 7/10/2007 Status: offline I have a 1989 2.5 Daytona...I just bought it a couple of weeks ago. I reved the engine a little last night...and suddenly, the power went WAY down, and lots of shaking. I have to floor it to get going again at a red light. And now this morning, I noted that it started knocking, a fair amount of blue smoke out the front and back and a little oil drippage. I watched the gauges like a hawk making sure the oil and temp needles didn't get out of the ordinary. The Temperature gauge moves slightly as drive so I figure it's fairly normal, but as we were looking at the car today, we had the engine idling for a good 10 minutes and the fan didn't even start.....is that normal or should the fan be going. We wired the fan to the battery for a sec and the fan motor DOES work....maybe the temperature sensor? So maybe this is all due to overheating? 3 days ago, I had NO problems....I can get the engine replaced for 650 should I just go with that? Thanks so much for any help. -Luc Post #: 1

RE: MAYDAY - 7/26/2007 5:15:05 PM    TurboZ_C/S   Posts: 12 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: offline Check your codes.  If the engine light comes on then the computer may or probably threw a code. To check the codes turn the key to the on position but not start.  The sequence is on - off - on - off - on.  Then watch the engine light (power limited light). Count the flashes.  There will be two 'digits' per code so if you count five flashes followed by five more then this is code 55.  This means 'end of file' or last possible code.  It means nothing wrong.  Any other combination of two digits prior to the 55 will indicate a code. In your case check for oil in the coolant and coolant in the oil. Since you're getting blue smoke this indicates oil burning. Also the loud knocking and oil dripping indicates to me that there may be something broken in the bottom end which may have broken through something. Give the entire engine a good inspection. < Message edited by TurboZ_C/S -- 7/26/2007 5:37:33 PM > _____________________________ '86 Daytona 2.5 267,000 34 MPG '86 Daytona Turbo Z C/S T-tops(being restored) (in reply to Zenguitar) Post #: 2

RE: MAYDAY - 7/26/2007 5:17:45 PM    wjgregg   Posts: 7 Joined: 7/3/2007 Status: offline My '89 2.5 non-turbo was doing the same thing. I was inspecting the throttle and noticed that the throttle temperature sensor casing was separated. Then I ran the fault codes on the dashboard and up came code 2-3 "throttle body temperature sensor circuit fault". After replacing that, the vehicle worked fine. The symptoms you describe could also be coming from another engine sensor. Check the fault codes like Turbo says. If you have a Haynes book, the Fault codes are on page 232. < Message edited by wjgregg -- 7/26/2007 5:22:08 PM > (in reply to Zenguitar) Post #: 3

RE: MAYDAY - 7/26/2007 5:35:28 PM    TurboZ_C/S   Posts: 12 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: offline Because he mentioned a knocking sound with blue smoke I don't think it's a sensor.  However the code may be a sensor. I had a code which turned out NOT to be the sensor it indicated but rather a ground connection.  Go figure. < Message edited by TurboZ_C/S -- 7/26/2007 5:39:18 PM > _____________________________ '86 Daytona 2.5 267,000 34 MPG '86 Daytona Turbo Z C/S T-tops(being restored) (in reply to wjgregg) Post #: 4

RE: MAYDAY - 7/26/2007 8:20:34 PM    wjgregg   Posts: 7 Joined: 7/3/2007 Status: offline Yeah the noise and smoke is a bit of a worry. The power drop and pinging could still be really bad ignition timing (if the computer's getting messed up input) or fuel injection problems. But I agree with you Turbo. I'd be doing a compression check, with my fingers crossed. (in reply to TurboZ_C/S) Post #: 5

RE: MAYDAY - 7/26/2007 8:31:35 PM    TurboZ_C/S   Posts: 12 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: offline Issues you describe may not be related to compression but that is a great start.  Did you pull the codes? _____________________________ '86 Daytona 2.5 267,000 34 MPG '86 Daytona Turbo Z C/S T-tops(being restored) (in reply to wjgregg) Post #: 6

RE: MAYDAY - 7/26/2007 8:38:08 PM    shelbydaytona91 Posts: 42 Joined: 3/4/2007 Status: offline Maybe the Turbo died? I'd take off the hose that goes from the Throttle Body to the compressor inlet and see if you can spin the compressor wheel ok and make sure there isn't a whole lot of oil in there (some is normal). Also see if it has enough side-play that you can get the blades to hit the side of the compresser housing. (in reply to Zenguitar) Post #: 7

RE: MAYDAY - 7/27/2007 10:21:37 AM    bansheenut420 Posts: 152 Joined: 4/5/2007 Status: offline Sounds almost like a broken ring landing or something. Oil getting past the rings and burning, and the knocking could be the piston slapping around now that the ring landing has broken. If its a loud, deep knock, DO NOT DRIVE IT, unless you want to make things worse. Knocking could also be rod knock. _____________________________ -92 White IROC RT http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2038370 -87 shelby z with T tops Best Turbododge site--->www.turbododge.com (in reply to shelbydaytona91) Post #: 8

RE: MAYDAY - 7/27/2007 4:28:36 PM    damageincracing   Posts: 181 Joined: 11/3/2005 Status: offline Not to sound like a broken record, but PULL THE STUPID CODES!!! It won't tell you exactly what's wrong, but I bet you will be able to track the issue down. I'd stake my 20 plus years as a mechanic on it... (in reply to bansheenut420) Post #: 9

RE: MAYDAY - 7/28/2007 8:10:45 PM    Zenguitar   Posts: 7 Joined: 7/10/2007 Status: offline Ooops....I forgot to set the "send email when responces are given" check mark You're all awesome for chiming in...thanks so much I didn't know how to pull codes until now...I still have to pick up the book....I ordered it from Zone...should be arriving soon. I had a compression test done and Cyl#2 was bad....150lbs in...150lbs came out the back. It turned out to be that the cam slapped the rocker out.....nothing broke, slipped it back in. All seems well but I'm still wondering if there's a more root problem that I should be addressing.....I'd hate to think that I was unknowingly overheating the thing....I replaced the coolant sensor and I noticed the guage to be more realistic. I also changed out the spark plugs. The valve cover gasket seems to be nothing more than some glue around the edges and I'm thinking that that's not exactly up to par with the real deal...maybe oil got on the rocker and maybe made it easy to knock out? (in reply to Zenguitar) Post #: 10

RE: MAYDAY - 7/28/2007 8:21:38 PM    Zenguitar   Posts: 7 Joined: 7/10/2007 Status: offline Error Codes (Thanks Turbo) After putting rocker back in, spark plugs and new coolant temp sensor If I read it right. on off on off on...then saw 1 (Pause) 2 (Pause) 2 (Pause) 4 (Pause) 2 (Pause) 1 (Pause) 5 (Pause) 5 So I'm thinking that means: 1-2 2-4 2-1 (in reply to Zenguitar) Post #: 11

RE: MAYDAY - 7/28/2007 11:07:33 PM    shelbydaytona91 Posts: 42 Joined: 3/4/2007 Status: offline Might want to try pulling them again, because they will go in order. Sometimes the pauses will be different legenths but the longer lengths are the pause inbetween the two codes. Code 12 just means the battery has been plugged in recently. Here is a site that goes more indepth on how to pull the codes and what they mean http://www.allpar.com/fix/80s-codes.html Good luck! (in reply to Zenguitar) Post #: 12

RE: MAYDAY - 7/29/2007 5:23:00 PM    Zenguitar   Posts: 7 Joined: 7/10/2007 Status: offline That nails it....thanks Looks like the battery was disconnected....need a new O2 sensor and TPS How do I perform a reset? Thanks again for the help. (in reply to shelbydaytona91) Post #: 13

RE: MAYDAY - 7/29/2007 8:12:59 PM    shelbydaytona91 Posts: 42 Joined: 3/4/2007 Status: offline Resetting the computer is pretty trick you have to take it to a dealer they charge about $500 for it... Just kidding , you just unplug the negative side of the battery for about 30 seconds (altought I wouldn't be surprised if the dealership charged that) (in reply to Zenguitar) Post #: 14

RE: MAYDAY - 8/5/2007 4:09:20 AM    mech1nxh   Posts: 33 Joined: 1/22/2006 Status: offline Neat trick here on ecm reset.... dissconnect the POS cable , and connect to the NEG ....for 3 or so minutes As electron flow goes NEG to POS.....this will discharge all of the capacitors in the ecm (caps act like a small "battery" and hence retain the " learned " parameters) And force the ecm to revert to the prom base functions.and "relearn" all parameters. also your code read is....12  24  21  55 12....battery dissconnect  (last 30-100 key cycles...lol ..nebulous at best) 24....t/p sensor...set code if above 4.7v  or below .16v 21.... O/2 sensor  no "switch"  (above or below .5v for  2-12 min, again "vague" at best) 55....end of code sequence < Message edited by mech1nxh -- 8/5/2007 4:13:24 AM > _____________________________ 88 " little ram" 358k and counting... 85 "plain jane" "g" TII/555 in progress 86 turbo "Z" C/S blk/blk t/top TIII/568 AWD in progress!!!! 67 Barracuda "tin fish"...318/340 heads sbh 727 8 3/4.. K/H 4 piston...soon to live. (in reply to shelbydaytona91) Post #: 15

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