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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/6/2004 6:26:42 AM
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TeeWJay426
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As a huge fan of the new Pontiac GTO, I feel that you are correct about the car, except for one detail. The styling in my opinion is top notch, especially for the 2005 model year.
Those aren't my words, or necessarily my opinion- check any one of several automotive magazine articles on the new GTO. That's the universal sentiment among all of them. The sales numbers speak for themselves.
My biggest bitch about the new Charger is the name. Yes, I am one of the 'original' Charger faithful (see avatar). The Charger began as a high-end modification of a Coronet 2-door, and evolved into the flagship for Dodge in both performance and style. This new one does neither.
The retro theme can work, or it can fail. I'm willing to bet a month's wages that Ford will not be able to build the new Mustang fast enough to keep up with demand. Why? Because they got it RIGHT!!!! It has the styling cues of the original, the performance to match the looks, and looks like nothing else on the road. The GTO is failing because it looks like any other Pontiac in the line up- Grand Am, Grand Prix, take your pick. The new Charger is nothing more than a 300C with a Dodge nameplate. Using the name Charger was a mistake- period. Call it Monaco or Polara, if you need to resurrect a name from the past. Do you think 'Bullitt' or 'Dukes of Hazard' when you see this sedan? I doubt it, but those the kind of images that are conjured up in the minds of a lot of car nuts with the Charger name. I can't picture this sedan exciting anyone to that extent.
I hope I'm wrong about the sales of the car, for the sake of D-C's future. If they had come out with a car similar in style to the '99 concept version, I would have been interested in buying one. As I said in my previous post, if a hipo sedan was what I wanted, I would already have a 300C. I didn't need to wait for the same car with a Charger nameplate to satisfy that! The Magnum is more of a success, simply because it's original. I'd buy one of those before the Charger.
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/6/2004 10:32:38 AM
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Kensai
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Needless to say, Ford is the only company to get their retro car redesigned correctly! Their Mustang! It just looks wicked when you compare the old classic and the new modern design! What a way to bring the old look and modern technology together! If only the rest of the brothers in Detroit can follow this example! I would consider buying their 05 Mustang over this charger for classic car's sake! I am not a ford fan, but my dad used to own one of the first 65 1/2 mustang convertible. Wished he kept it for me to take over.
I can see alot of other heated debates come out in the future if they bring back other classic muscle cars and smear their name reputation? As Chrysler has created a hate vacuum when they added 4 doors to a Charger name and GM screwd up their GTO, I wonder if GM will follow Chrysler's footsteps if they bring back the Camaro/Trans AM and add 4 doors? What a concept!
I kinda see Chrysler going to do their copycat cars again as they did in the past. First the 300 Series, then the Magnum series, now the charger series. All of them look very very similar in every respect. Just like the past in the 80's when they had the charger, the onmi, the turismo, the duster. All of them are basically the same car with only minor cosmetic changes. Even if the charger is based on a totally different sheetmetal platform, it still looks the same as their two sisters; the 300 series and magnum series.
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/6/2004 4:18:38 PM
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redriderbob
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Not to get off of subject, but for those who don't like the new 2006 Charger and wish they could drive the 1999 Dodge Charger R/T Concept car, there is hope. A photo released today of the new Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition video game, allows you do so. So at least you can do that. Better than nothing I guess!
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/6/2004 4:48:38 PM
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/6/2004 5:53:53 PM
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Very nice detail but they still havent gotten down their colors yet. 
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/11/2004 8:12:44 AM
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dozlert
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ORIGINAL: TeeWJay426
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As a huge fan of the new Pontiac GTO, I feel that you are correct about the car, except for one detail. The styling in my opinion is top notch, especially for the 2005 model year.
Those aren't my words, or necessarily my opinion- check any one of several automotive magazine articles on the new GTO. That's the universal sentiment among all of them. The sales numbers speak for themselves.
My biggest bitch about the new Charger is the name. Yes, I am one of the 'original' Charger faithful (see avatar). The Charger began as a high-end modification of a Coronet 2-door, and evolved into the flagship for Dodge in both performance and style. This new one does neither.
The retro theme can work, or it can fail. I'm willing to bet a month's wages that Ford will not be able to build the new Mustang fast enough to keep up with demand. Why? Because they got it RIGHT!!!! It has the styling cues of the original, the performance to match the looks, and looks like nothing else on the road. The GTO is failing because it looks like any other Pontiac in the line up- Grand Am, Grand Prix, take your pick. The new Charger is nothing more than a 300C with a Dodge nameplate. Using the name Charger was a mistake- period. Call it Monaco or Polara, if you need to resurrect a name from the past. Do you think 'Bullitt' or 'Dukes of Hazard' when you see this sedan? I doubt it, but those the kind of images that are conjured up in the minds of a lot of car nuts with the Charger name. I can't picture this sedan exciting anyone to that extent.
I hope I'm wrong about the sales of the car, for the sake of D-C's future. If they had come out with a car similar in style to the '99 concept version, I would have been interested in buying one. As I said in my previous post, if a hipo sedan was what I wanted, I would already have a 300C. I didn't need to wait for the same car with a Charger nameplate to satisfy that! The Magnum is more of a success, simply because it's original. I'd buy one of those before the Charger.
I think the mustangs and DCs will have a hard time to keep up with the modded GTOs. Check this out: http://www.bmr-media.com/GTO-10.50.mpg
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/11/2004 9:41:39 AM
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BadStratRT
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youre right..but any modded car can be fast...ive seen an 11 second k car, and an 8 second neon...
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/12/2004 1:35:21 AM
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Plus don't forget about the stickers, they add ten horse each!!
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/12/2004 4:36:00 AM
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dozlert
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Man, you are correct! That 11 sec K car was a total sleeper! I was shocked when I seen that thing kill a Supra! The SRT4 is a pretty awsome car in it's own right...not too many cars can beet it for the 20-30K price range.
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/12/2004 4:42:51 AM
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dozlert
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OK, my spelling sucks! Yeahhh...the stickers do add 10 hp each! BTW, where is that video of the K car smoking the Supra...I want to post that on another site. I think most folks will get a kick out of that. I think I linked onto it before on an Omni Turbo page.
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 10/12/2004 8:25:08 AM
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BadStratRT
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i saw that K car in person...not on a video...ive actually not seen that video...
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 11/21/2004 10:05:30 AM
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If they build this Dodge Charger R/T Concept from the '99 photos, I'll buy it. I need a MID LIFE CRISIS CAR.
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 11/21/2004 1:45:26 PM
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ramfan5.9
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i liek the 99 concept better as i think alot of ppl do
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 12/15/2004 1:13:47 AM
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This isn’t the Charger. I refuse to believe it is. It just doesn’t add up if you think about it. The 1999 Charger was a sweet car in Every way. I didn’t even mind the fourth door, in fact I had to re-examine it just to see the fourth door. But also, did you ever notice that none of the Charger pics have Charger written on them? I mean it could be just me, but even the 99' Concept had Charger on it. www.allpar.com reported that the next Stratus will be based on the Mitsubishi Galant, and if you really examine the rear end of the Charger, you can clearly see the Galant in it. Plus, that is what they use in NASCAR at the moment, so it only makes sense to have the redesigned version for the 2005 year. www.allpar.com also reported that the Charger would Not share any sheet metal what so ever with the Magnum and 300 and that Charger clearly has the Magnum front end. We shall see in January though. I tell ya, I'll be there for sure! LOL, I really hope this isn’t it, it makes me sad to think it is.
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RE: Dodge Charger: Chrysler Group Release: - 12/15/2004 10:13:25 AM
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redriderbob
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Well guess what, it is... sorry for disapointing you! Besides the 1999 Dodge Charger R/T Concept car was based on the Intrepid, Concorde, and 300M's LH platform! So giving the styling of the LX platform cars (300 Series and Magnum), we knew that styling would be similar to them. It's not a bad looking car, just I feel it should have been named Coronet or something besides Charger.
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