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Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/12/2007 11:22:52 AM   
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I'm going to replace my clutch on my fan, but am pondering the viper fan instead.  it is about $400 more than the HD clutch.  But will the viper fan pay for it's self in the long run?  What kind of increased gas milage will I be looking at?  How much more power?  If I'm getting .2 MPG more, that is hardly worth it to me.  but the extra power could help with the towing I do.

Is socaldakota the only place to get the viper fan upgrade?

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/12/2007 3:39:13 PM   
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I have heard a 2-3 mpg increase (most likely highway but still a good increase) and you will get a signifigant amount of power back. When I replaced my fan clutch I could really feel the difference in power and not in a good way. This thing loves bogging me down and is pretty damned annoying...

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/12/2007 4:44:48 PM   
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Yeah, same here, but once the clutch releases itself, power is all there!  But I do not know if the viper fan can displace enough air flow if you do alot of towing.  I would think it would be okay for light towing, but not recommended for heavy towing.  It may help, if you get a dual fan setup.  The viper fan for the main fan to pull, and maybe two smaller push fans installed in front of the Durango.  This may give you the airflow needed to keep your D cool if you do heavy towning?

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/12/2007 4:52:13 PM   
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Why would the fan not be enough for towing if it is more CFM?  And by dual fans you mean the flex a lite?

Most my driving is city.  When I tow, I average 10 MPG still.  I think then camper is around 3500 pounds and the boat even less.  So half of capacity at most.

A 2 MPG increase would pay for it self in about 32 weeks I figure with gas costs around $3.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/12/2007 6:27:58 PM   
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One thing is electric fans can never displace the amount air that a clutch fan is capable of.   I think that is one reason why you never ever see trucks or heavy duty trucks have electric only fans.  They all have clutch fans and some may have electric fans used as a assist or for A/C use for constant air flow when the truck is idling.   Thus reasoning for some durangos having a electric fan and clutch fan combo.  My R/T has this combo setup.  Especially when towing, when your engine is locked in lower gears to get that max torque, engine temps really build up and the electric fans may not be adequate to keep up. 

I confirmed this when my clutch fan went out.  The electric fan was the only thing that kept my D from really overheating.  But I noticed driving in city, the electric fan cannot keep my engine within normal temperature range.  I was hovering around 210-220 with electric fan running.  These temps were acheived during DFW's hot 100+ summer heatwave and I was not towing anything.  After replacing my clutch fan, I dropped back to 195-200 degrees.

Another word of advice, when your Durango hits the 210 degree mark, the PCM will put your engine in limp mode.  Meaning you will definitely feel power loss on the engine.   This is normal and is a fail-safe feature to prevent you from further overheating your engine.  If your engine never can get below the 210 mark, better have your cooling system addressed or you will be replacing your engine soon.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/13/2007 5:42:05 PM   
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There are 3 different 2 fan kits on this site:

http://www.stylinconcepts.com/parts.aspx?partfamilyid=964

12", 13.5" and 15".  The 15" claims 5500 cfm.

How much CFM is the stock fan?  These require "vihicle modification"  and I'm mnot so sure I want to deal with that.  They also have "push or pull" options which I have no idea what that is....


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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/13/2007 7:09:04 PM   
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5500 CFM's is plenty of air I guess.  More air than what the viper fan pulls.  Dual 15 inch fans.  You will have to check your alternator and electrical on your Durango to make sure it can handle the power requirements needed by this dual 15 inch fans.  You will have to contact that site to see how much amperage is required to operate those fans.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/13/2007 11:01:33 PM   
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If nothing else you can upgrade to an optima yellowtop and a heavy duty alternator. That means more money to throw at it though.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/14/2007 10:41:27 PM   
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I did the viper fan upgrade and have no cooling problems. The viper fan is a two speed fan, in my installation I only use the low speed and the high is wired for emergency use via a cabin mounted toggle switch. I used the fan with the a/c on in 95 degree weather, with no problems at all and idling the temp stayed at 188. I upgraded to a 165 amp alternator, the optima yellow top the largest that would fit and this was done because of my stereo system. I don't tow, if I did I'd use the same or use the high speed only which ever works best.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/15/2007 6:30:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dman98

I did the viper fan upgrade and have no cooling problems. The viper fan is a two speed fan, in my installation I only use the low speed and the high is wired for emergency use via a cabin mounted toggle switch. I used the fan with the a/c on in 95 degree weather, with no problems at all and idling the temp stayed at 188. I upgraded to a 165 amp alternator, the optima yellow top the largest that would fit and this was done because of my stereo system. I don't tow, if I did I'd use the same or use the high speed only which ever works best.


I do not like to use switches in the cabin for the fan.  Been there done that.  Sometimes when driving, you don't have time to take your hands off the wheel and eyes off the road to go toggle a switch.   I prefer to keep it automated whenever possible.  Do they make a dual stage thermostat?  Something like low speed for A/C and normal cooling and when thermostat hits warmer stage, it can kick in high speed?

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/15/2007 8:25:59 AM   
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Does anyone know how much CFM the Viper fan throws out and how much the stock fan is?

I would like to do the Viper fan, for the "direct fit" purpose alone, but Keeping the truck cool when towing is pretty important.  I wouldn't care so much for a toggle switch,  I mean look how many things we adjust when driving.  I've had to fool around with my brake controller before for looking up the brakes and it is suppossed to be the most user friendly controller.  Radio controls.  EATING!!!  Flipping throught he overhead computer.   Etc....   Flipping a switch would be fine.  But I do agree with Kensai that it would be better if it were automatic, but I could deal if the cooling was suffeciant.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/16/2007 4:15:41 PM   
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 I never had to use the switch, I put it there as a fail safe measure. I also have a light installed, that comes on with the fan and goes off with the fan. This way I'll always know when the fan is on/off. If the low speed stops working, I'll have the high speed to get me home without the fear of overheating.  If a clutch fan or factory  electric fan stops working, you'll have to get it towed or risk overheating. I've never heard of anyone having any problems with the viper fan, go with whatever makes you feel comfortable. 

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/17/2007 2:21:56 PM   
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I emailed socaldak to ask about nthe viper fan  (which I guess I could of done soner....)  This was my Q and his reply, if anyone is intrested.  Apparently the Viper Fan moves more air than my clutch.


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ORIGINAL: CESSPOOL
Sam,

I'm looking at "other" cooling options for my '99 Durango with a 5.9L.  I'm considering the viper fan 2 speed complete kit you have on the website for $440.  Do you know how much CFM this fan moves compared to the stock clutch fan?  I do a decent amount of towing with my camper or boat.  I have been told that I need to be careful with going electric due to the strain the towing puts on the engine and making sure I get enough air movement.  I would like to have the electric fan for the MPG/H.P. increases, but they do me no good if I overheat.  I will be putting a HD clutch on the fan if I have to, but want to check with you first.  The elec will obviously be quiter, but I know the HD clutch will get the job done.  I don't really have any issues now, especially once I get on open road, but the stop and go with the camper/boat until that point will run me a bit warmer than I like, around 200 degrees.  Which is where the High Speed would really come in handy I would assume.  It isn't really an issue at all in the cooler months, but right now we are 90-95 degrees in Cincinnati, Oh area.  I am going on a 4 hr trip in july and would expect about the same and I NEED to have something done.  We are going to TN, and it will be hilly, hot and a 4 hr trip.

Please let me know ASAP.  I saw on your site there is a 2-3 week lead time on orders, and My trip is just over a month away.

Thanks for all your help,



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Phil, the viper fan should do well, on a 99-- the fan is controlled by a temp controller (adjustable) to switch between hi and low speed... you should run about the same when under load as you would with a clutch fan-- and in 'traffic' actually run cooler due to the higher air volume the fan will produce.

I think it would work fine for your setup... I've got hundreds of these all over the world (a Durango in Kuwait City, Kuwait runs one-- and he's in 120 F heat-- and says that it works about as well as anything considering the conditions.)

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/18/2007 4:15:54 PM   
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the only thing is the comment he made on recommending the product, he did not mention how well this will work on D's that do alot of towing.  I assume the dude in Kuwait runs fine but it may be that he does not do any towing there. 

I recommendation on this Cesspool is to ask around other durango sites that you are a member of and ask if there are any Durango users with the viper fan kit that does alot of towing.  Get their responses.

Otherwise, the E-fan kits are great for owners that do very light towing or no towing.

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