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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/25/2007 3:25:11 PM   
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I guess it just seems odd to me that a V8, even while towing, would produce more heat than a V10 being driven hard.  Isn't the mechanical energy an engine gives off supposedly only 33% of the total energy, ie the viper's 500 hp engine gives off another 1,000hp worth of heat?  Kensai I'm not questioning what you're saying, but I've never heard anyone say that a viper fan couldn't cool their truck.  Most say that it never even has to use high speed. 


I agree, logically it should work.  We're all just a little ansy here not wanting to dump alot of money for such an expensive fan kit and then find our expectations are not what we thought. 

We cannot wait for Cesspool and Mean grean to try out the Mark III fan kit.   For $45 just for the fan it is well worth the experient.  I will be waiting in line to get my clutch fan removed and replaced with the Mark III fan after we hear the possibly good results from them.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/25/2007 3:30:30 PM   
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Yep doing it tomorrow, The only thing is that I need an overflow and washer fluid reservoir out of a 98-99, I've asked all of my coworkers if they have them and was going to ask to swap out my shroud for their overflows but they all have 00's or newer. I think one of them has a 98' but thinks he has a 00' it has the OEM chrome rims that just look wrong on the D. Oh well I'm gonna call Dodge and see what they have and how much it will cost me, other than that Summit is right down the street and I know they have overflows.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/25/2007 11:20:14 PM   
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MG,

What's wrong with keeping your '00 shroud?

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/26/2007 8:51:22 AM   
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I don't see it fitting with the e-fan, I am going to give it a shot after I get some sleep since the junkyards I have been to don't have any overflows... Gotta get some sleep first though I just got off of a graveyard shift and I'm dead tired.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/26/2007 3:34:02 PM   
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Ok, time for me to jump back in here with some more questions...today here in Buffalo it was only 91 Deg F and my D started getting hot again sitting in stop and go traffic.  Hot in this case was above 210 on the factory temp gauge.  It did start to drop once I was on the highway again, but never gets below what I would consider 190? ( I have to see what thermostat is in there when I tear into this thing...I bought it used so i don't know if it has ever been changed...) I looked over the engine compartment this morning and I have some questions about putting the Mark VIII fan in here ( i have also been watching a few on ebay!).  I thought the stock e-fan was between the radiator and the A/C unit.  Wouldn't you have to have a shroud built/fabricated that would completely cover the sides from the Mark VIII fan to the radiator for it to properly pull air thru the radiator?  I mean if you didn't, then wouldn't it just pull air from the easiest source? ie not THRU the radiator, but from around its surroundings?  And if you did make a shroud, would it have both fans inside it now making this a tandem fan unit with the stock e-fan discharge becoming the MarkVIII fans intake?  Maybe I am over engineering this, just curious before I waste a day and a couple hundred bucks to find it doesn't work...  Also, I know larger pumps can lose efficiency, what about the water pumps on the Ds out there?  Do they fail altogether or can they lose capacity over time?  If Im going to rip into this, I want to do it all at the same time since I don't have alot of free time...also any pics of the "all E-fan" or Mark VIII upgrade would be great, I will take some and post after I am done since I really believe in documenting all work done...Thanks guys.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/26/2007 5:06:33 PM   
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360 you get rid of the stock e-fan as well as the clutch fan when you upgrade the e-fan. Aside from that I am almost 100% certain that your fan clutch is bad and it isn't the t-stat, it is a good idea to change it anyway but it isn't your problem. As for the shroud definitely leave as much of it on the mark VIII fan as possible because it will help with cooling but it is there. I am going to pull my sOEM e-fan and see about pulling the motor and blades (if it is even possible) so that I can keep the fabricating to a minimum and keep the OEM look.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/27/2007 2:17:55 PM   
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Thanks for the clarification Mean Green....as soon as I read your reply it hit me....duh, the Mark VIII (or other fans) are two speed...hence my thought that I was over engineering this upgrade...makes total sense now.  Well, Im off to the junk yard to find a catch tank and washer tank to use...

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/27/2007 5:36:33 PM   
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You may not have to get the overflow and washer fluid reservoir, Wait for me to get to work on this thing and I'll let you know if I can use the OEM fan shroud. If my wife didn't take the camera I will take lots of pics.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/28/2007 3:44:12 AM   
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Does anyone know which wire in the ignition is supposed to be tapped into? Is it the red one ar one of the many other colors???

I am just about done I just need to make some brackets and wire the ignition into the controller but I ran out of sunlight.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/28/2007 5:23:01 PM   
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My son is sick so I have to finish up after mopm gets home.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/28/2007 5:42:48 PM   
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I'd just like to find a junk yard local that has the fan.  I've called everyone in the area...

Looks like I'm EBAY'n it!

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/29/2007 2:46:12 AM   
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Well I ran into another issue with the fan, I can't get it to shut off. I plugged the battery in and it kicked on immediately so I thought I had plugged into a constant source in the ignition. I pulled the wire from that source and left it unhooked so I could use my underhood light and the thing kicked on again even though the switch wire wasn't plugged in to anything. Does anyone have any idea what the problem could be??? I am stuck pulling the - cable after I shut off the D at this point until I get a day off next week. Oh and BTW it didn't go over 195 idling but we'll see tomorrow when it warms up a little bit how it really performs.

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/29/2007 5:30:03 AM   
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Mean,  If I recall I heard it will run non stop unless you buy a fan controller for it.  I think Jegs had 3 from $40 to $120.  The $40 kit looks like all we would need.

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/KeywordSearchCmd?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&N=0&Ntt=fan+controller&Ntk=all&Nty=1&D=fan+controller&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchall&Dx=mode%2Bmatchall&searchTerm=fan+controller

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/29/2007 10:03:28 AM   
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Is it OK to have a temp probe in the radiator fins for the control?

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RE: Viper Fan upgrade....worth it? - 6/29/2007 10:09:25 PM   
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You can purchase a fan control unit that will cycle on and off by means of a temp probe included with the unit and the unit can be connected to the original ac efan switch to cycle on and off the high speed automaticly when the ac is turned on, it also allows the user to wire a manual override switch to cycle the fan on and off at will, the switch however is not included. I saw this fan control unit the other day at an aftermarket website that I shop from frequently. Perma-Cool makes it, just get the dual fan control set-up and wire the speeds as seperate fans.

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