In celebration of the Ram being built in Mexico, I'll take a grande, extra hot sauce. [:'(]

thanks! [8D]

Just the Hemi dork. Trucks are assembled in the US.[sm=smiley8.gif]

mighty titan. What a joke. Good thing they pay big advertising $ to these mags.

ORIGINAL: mopartodd

mighty titan. What a joke. Good thing they pay big advertising $ to these mags.



Man, you are taking my posts really personal........a frustrated Dodge owner are you?

It's not that. I just really enjoy beating an underdog.

themightytitan=[sm=smiley8.gif]

Please, let's continue.

Another envious titan owner.

Just to correct this, some rams are built in mexico, some 2500, 3500, and the srt-10 are built in mexico. Most are built in warrn mich(1500 quad), or st louis mo(2500 and 1500 reg and quad). The hemi engine is built in mexico, which I think is a disgrace, but that is a whole other topic.

Joe

Thanks Joe.[sm=smiley20.gif]

ORIGINAL: jgralka

Just to correct this, some rams are built in mexico, some 2500, 3500, and the srt-10 are built in mexico. Most are built in warrn mich(1500 quad), or st louis mo(2500 and 1500 reg and quad). The hemi engine is built in mexico, which I think is a disgrace, but that is a whole other topic.

Joe



Whats more of a disgrace is that so called American truck owners insist on beating up on so called foreign trucks, when the "foreign" truck is just as American built product as the (fill in blank with Dodge, Ford, Chevy....)

Its a World economy nowadays people. There really isn't a true "American" company or "Foreign" company anymore- yeah, they may have their headquaters here, but you can guaran-damn-tee that some of Dodge -or Ford or Chevy's profits go all over the World, just like Nissans.

oh, and just so you don't think I am a Dodge hater, I am not. I drove a Hemi 2wd with the 20" wheels, etc. and it was real nice. I loved it, in fact. I think the interiors are a bit nicer, and that truck was gorgeous in the gun metal grey color. I also love the retro look of some of the Dodges with the Hemi orange and the decals and stuff. Retro is cool.

It probably would have ended up in my driveway if the Dodge dealer didn't try to hose me for $150/mo more than the Nissan dealer did. Both trucks were about 500 apart, and the Dodge dealer (with a Dodge trade in, no less) tried to tell me my payments for the Dodge were going to be $600!!! I took my Dodge (a POS Car I got willed to me....LOL) to the Nissan dealer, and they got my payment right were I wanted it ($450) in under an hour.

Dodge lost my sale because the dealer was soooooooooooo slimy. If he had not been that way, I'd probably be full time on this board!

I thought we were exploring your dissatisfaction with your titan. Now you want to talk economics. No wonder your unhappy, you can't make up your mind.[sm=lol.gif]

Who is the so called american truck owner, both of my rams were built here, and most of their parts as well. So you found a slime ball dealer, big deal welcome to the real world. Not everyone is honest so you judge an entire company by one dealer? A little rash don't you think?

Joe

I would have to take exception to your statement...most people buy their vehicles based on styling and the engineering that goes into the vehicle, not where they are put together. Jap cars being built in the USA, SRT-4 engines being built in Mexico....who really cares? I'm more concerned with how well "thought out" the car/truck is and that's where AMERICAN "know how" from AMERICAN based companies shines through.....

You're right about the global economy thing....it's going to become more common as time goes by....

Who really cares? I bet my local law enforcement would care if I and the other 4000 people at warren truck lost our jobs and not be able to pay our taxes. Also just ask the other cities with major plants in them if they could survive without the revenue the big three provide. Between gm and dcx their taxes alone make up over 60 percent of the city of warrens tax base. Just a side note warren is the third largest city in the state of mich. I just picked on my law enforcer friends to make a point to you dusty!;) Not picking on you at all!
The problem is dusty you are right no one cares where things are made till its their job going away, then its too late.

Joe

ORIGINAL: dustyloins

I would have to take exception to your statement...most people buy their vehicles based on styling and the engineering that goes into the vehicle, not where they are put together. Jap cars being built in the USA, SRT-4 engines being built in Mexico....who really cares? I'm more concerned with how well "thought out" the car/truck is and that's where AMERICAN "know how" from AMERICAN based companies shines through.....

You're right about the global economy thing....it's going to become more common as time goes by....



I would venture to say ALL of the truck builders have know how- if not, they would not be in business. I would say my Titan is just as thought out as any other truck, it depends on your definition of thought out is. Some like the looks of the Titan (I do) some don't. I like the looks of the Rams too- I bought a '96 right when they came out and thought it was a wonderful truck until the transmission fell out and sat on the dealers lot for 2 months before Dodge would even admit there was an issue.....(duh.....like losing your tranny at 65mph TWO days after buying it ISN"T an issue.........) I like the looks of the newer Rams even more.......but Nissan has always had a great reputation for being reliable, my family has had various models and some have 250K on them and are still going strong. When was the last time you saw a non diesel Chevy-Ford-Dodge with that kind of mileage and still in great shape???

So I'm not quite following, you buy a titan then join a dodge forum? Is this a case of buyers remorse? Just wondering I mean I've never even thought about going to a ricer forum, because I don't own one. But it is nice to see you tone down the language though.

Joe

I agree 100%, but the "machine" has been set in motion and it's too late to do anything about it....there's no way companies are going to pull back their O/S operations when the cost of labor is so cheap. On the same note, Jap companies like building their factories over here (like Toyota here in San Antonio) because of the "cheap" real estate (compared to Japan) and the big tax breaks that are normally given to a new industy in town....[&:]

ORIGINAL: jgralka

So I'm not quite following, you buy a titan then join a dodge forum? Is this a case of buyers remorse? Just wondering I mean I've never even thought about going to a ricer forum, because I don't own one. But it is nice to see you tone down the language though.

Joe


oh no, no remorse. I would still take the mighty TITAN over the Dodge anyday. I was just pointing out that the Dodge did have soem decent points to it.

There is a real easy way to stop the problem. Stop buying the crap. Will it be inconvenient yep. You don't think I wanted 335 horse under my hood? Of course I did, but I've seen many of my friends lose their cars and their homes when they lost their jobs. I got hired at another plant thankfully, but now I see those EVA codes (hemi) go by me all day long. Its kinda like salt in the wound.

Joe

So your on a DODGE forum again because......

I do think you forgot 4 letters in your screenname though,

TheMightyUGLYTitan!

ORIGINAL: dustyloins

I agree 100%, but the "machine" has been set in motion and it's too late to do anything about it....there's no way companies are going to pull back their O/S operations when the cost of labor is so cheap. On the same note, Jap companies like building their factories over here (like Toyota here in San Antonio) because of the "cheap" real estate (compared to Japan) and the big tax breaks that are normally given to a new industy in town....[&:]



yeah, but the big Americans send their labor jobs to Canada and Mexico so they don't have to pay Union labor......right?

Um once again smart guy ever hear of the CAW. Wanna take a guess what it stands for? Canadian auto workers. So they are union as well. But yes mexico is a sore spot. Not just for the auto worker but for almost everyone pretty soon. But that has already been covered many times.


Joe

Be nice everyone... he's not started any insultes or anything... he's welcome here. :)

I unfornatutely banned "1badtitan" after only one post because he walked into my territory insulting my truck and Dodges altogether... I love differance of opinion, makes the world go round... but insulting me, my truck and my forum... that'll get anyone booted.
http://www.dodgeforum.com/fb.asp?m=63174

Welcome to the site TheMightyTITAN... please stay civil... and remember you are the "minority" here so take things said with a grain of salt. :) BE NICE EVERYONE... :)

~Amanda

ORIGINAL: jgralka

Um once again smart guy ever hear of the CAW. Wanna take a guess what it stands for? Canadian auto workers. So they are union as well. But yes mexico is a sore spot. Not just for the auto worker but for almost everyone pretty soon. But that has already been covered many times.


Joe



UMMMMM.....OK SMART GUY.........Last time I took a GEOGRAPHY lesson (look it up) CANADA was NOT a part of the UNITED STATES!! (and since that is what everyone grubles about when talking about Nissan, well........inform me othrwise if wehad some sort of takeover of Canada. I am sure I would have slept thru it. Canada couldn't put up a fight anyways!)


BLAME CANADA!!!!!

ORIGINAL: Dodgegirl19

Be nice everyone... he's not started any insultes or anything... he's welcome here. :)

I unfornatutely banned "1badtitan" after only one post because he walked into my territory insulting my truck and Dodges altogether... I love differance of opinion, makes the world go round... but insulting me, my truck and my forum... that'll get anyone booted.
http://www.dodgeforum.com/fb.asp?m=63174

Welcome to the site TheMightyTITAN... please stay civil... and remember you are the "minority" here so take things said with a grain of salt. :) BE NICE EVERYONE... :)

~Amanda



Thanks Amanda, you actually have a very nice place here!!!

The problem was cheap labor. Stay focused, I know you can do it!;)
You still haven't answered my question, you are here again because....

ORIGINAL: jgralka

The problem was cheap labor. Stay focused, I know you can do it!;)
You still haven't answered my question, you are here again because....



because its AMERICAN, and I CAN! ;)

Hey.....I keep up at this rate and I'll be a top 10 poster real soon!

We're all part of an evil machine. You're part of it, I'm part of it, we're all part of it. Don't come in here and start preaching about your Titan. I can really give a rats ass. Before buying my Hemi I use to drag race turbocharged 4 banger imports down the 1320. But you never saw me trolling on the Mustang or Fbody forums taliking ****.

So why don't you have yourself a tall glass of STFU and find a NISMO board to troll on. Frickin' idiot.

ORIGINAL: jgralka
HEMI an American legend, built in MEXICO. Tell DCX to bring it back home!
2004 Ram 1500 Quad 4x4, 4.7 by choice,Pat. Blue SLT, cai, looking for 20's!
2002 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad 4X4,4.7,black sport,cai(Just traded)
2004 Pacifica FWD 3.5 Stock(wifes)




Does it bother you that you have to put in your sig that you got the sub-par 4.7 engine as opposed to the mighty Hemi?
I know you drive a gazzillion miles a day, so do I, but really, having to put "BY CHOICE" is sad! You might get 20's out of it, but only if it's towed by a Titan.

ORIGINAL: airbrat

We're all part of an evil machine. You're part of it, I'm part of it, we're all part of it. Don't come in here and start preaching about your Titan. I can really give a rats ass. Before buying my Hemi I use to drag race turbocharged 4 banger imports down the 1320. But you never saw me trolling on the Mustang or Fbody forums taliking ****.

So why don't you have yourself a tall glass of STFU and find a NISMO board to troll on. Frickin' idiot.



show me anywhere where I have preached about a Titan.

YOU need the glass of STFU, dude!

ORIGINAL: airbrat

We're all part of an evil machine. You're part of it, I'm part of it, we're all part of it. Don't come in here and start preaching about your Titan. I can really give a rats ass. Before buying my Hemi I use to drag race turbocharged 4 banger imports down the 1320. But you never saw me trolling on the Mustang or Fbody forums taliking ****.

So why don't you have yourself a tall glass of STFU and find a NISMO board to troll on. Frickin' idiot.


Hey Hey HEY! He's not trolled one bit and I politely asked him and ALL OF YOU to be nice!! So BE NICE or I'll round you all up and smack each one of ya!! :):):)

~Amanda

No I put that because I am proud of the 4.7, I used to work at the plant it is made. I put by choice to make a point about not buying a hemi. I drive 6 miles each way to work by the way. What in the world is your problem anyway? I'm looking to upgrade to stock 20's. Are you? Oh wait you can't get stock 20's in ricer land can you. Get lost!

ORIGINAL: Dodgegirl19

ORIGINAL: airbrat

We're all part of an evil machine. You're part of it, I'm part of it, we're all part of it. Don't come in here and start preaching about your Titan. I can really give a rats ass. Before buying my Hemi I use to drag race turbocharged 4 banger imports down the 1320. But you never saw me trolling on the Mustang or Fbody forums taliking ****.

So why don't you have yourself a tall glass of STFU and find a NISMO board to troll on. Frickin' idiot.


Hey Hey HEY! He's not trolled one bit and I politely asked him and ALL OF YOU to be nice!! So BE NICE or I'll round you all up and smack each one of ya!! :):):)

~Amanda




hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............................not sure I should touch that one.

Aww yeah, Where does the line start for that smackin?

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN! show me anywhere where I have preached about a Titan.

Are you really this dumb or you just trying extra hard today? What I meant by "preaching" is you coming here and disparaging the Dodge products. Damn do I really need to interpret everything for you? Do you normally have this hard of a time reading inbetween the lines?

ORIGINAL: jgralka

No I put that because I am proud of the 4.7, I used to work at the plant it is made. I put by choice to make a point about not buying a hemi. I drive 6 miles each way to work by the way. What in the world is your problem anyway? I'm looking to upgrade to stock 20's. Are you? Oh wait you can't get stock 20's in ricer land can you. Get lost!



you shoulda bought the Hemi.

Why do you insist on calling my American made truck a Ricer??? You must the the board Redneck, right??

*Disclaimer: My truck is just as American Made as any Canadian or Mexican built "American" truck.

ORIGINAL: airbrat

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN! show me anywhere where I have preached about a Titan.

Are you really this dumb or you just trying extra hard today? What I meant by "preaching" is you coming here and disparaging the Dodge products. Damn do I really need to interpret everything for you? Do you normally have this hard of a time reading inbetween the lines?



Where did I disparage ANY Dodge? In fact, if you read closely, I praised them to a point. Your momma should have invested in some reading lessons for you.

I am simply here to stimulate some conversation.

BTW, I would happily take on ANY stock Hemi in the CT area. You name the time and place.

Okay... maybe that wasn't a good enough threat... LMAO!! [sm=smiley36.gif][sm=smiley36.gif]

Just play nice... most all here love Dodge... some prefer and love something else... DIFFERANCE OF OPINION MAKES THE WORLD GO 'ROUND. I am the foremost Dodge lovin person here, yet I can handle differance stokes for different folks... Don't get yourselves riled up over nothing... I'd hate to have to warn some of my favorite Dodge Friends here... The MightyTITAN hasn't done anything wrong... pointed out some facts and taken a lot of heat from you all... how does that makes us look? UNFRIENDLY... and that's not true. Or are we only friendly to others like us? Nah... I want to be friendly to all... BE NICE!

~Amanda

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

Where did I disparage ANY Dodge? In fact, if you read closely, I praised them to a point. Your momma should have invested in some reading lessons for you.



Wow you really are a tool! So the tiny fact about Dodge being built in Mexico isn't disparaging? Sheesh, any worse and you'd think you were rubbing it in!

ORIGINAL: airbrat

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

Where did I disparage ANY Dodge? In fact, if you read closely, I praised them to a point. Your momma should have invested in some reading lessons for you.



Wow you really are a tool! So the tiny fact about Dodge being built in Mexico isn't disparaging? Sheesh, any worse and you'd think you were rubbing it in!



But its ok for you to call my truck a RICER when it was built in the US??? Its far from a TINY fact when all the mightY flag wavers ride me for buying a "Jap" truck. I am not grasping YOUR logic. Who's the real tool, Junior?

...the child wont act out if his or her acting out isnt acknowledged....

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

But its ok for you to call my truck a RICER when it was built in the US??? Its far from a TINY fact when all the might flag wavers ride me for buying a "Jap" truck. I am not grasping YOUR logic. Who's the real tool, Junior?


Amazing, you really are a poon. Where did I once call you a ricer? Do yourself a favor and kick yourself in the nuts.

ORIGINAL: airbrat

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

But its ok for you to call my truck a RICER when it was built in the US??? Its far from a TINY fact when all the might flag wavers ride me for buying a "Jap" truck. I am not grasping YOUR logic. Who's the real tool, Junior?


Amazing, you really are a poon. Where did I once call you a ricer? Do yourself a favor and kick yourself in the nuts.



Oh OK, I apologize, it was your sidekick jgralka did, but at some point all you heavy duty Dodge boys kinda look the same. Sorry.

Feel free to kick away......ya'all have been kicking anyways!

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

ORIGINAL: airbrat

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

But its ok for you to call my truck a RICER when it was built in the US??? Its far from a TINY fact when all the might flag wavers ride me for buying a "Jap" truck. I am not grasping YOUR logic. Who's the real tool, Junior?


Amazing, you really are a poon. Where did I once call you a ricer? Do yourself a favor and kick yourself in the nuts.



Oh OK, I apologize, it was your sidekick jgralka did, but at some point all you heavy duty Dodge boys kinda look the same. Sorry.

Feel free to kick away......ya'all have been kicking anyways!


Good, now please hold still as I take a running start.

ORIGINAL: airbrat

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

ORIGINAL: airbrat

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

But its ok for you to call my truck a RICER when it was built in the US??? Its far from a TINY fact when all the might flag wavers ride me for buying a "Jap" truck. I am not grasping YOUR logic. Who's the real tool, Junior?


Amazing, you really are a poon. Where did I once call you a ricer? Do yourself a favor and kick yourself in the nuts.



Oh OK, I apologize, it was your sidekick jgralka did, but at some point all you heavy duty Dodge boys kinda look the same. Sorry.

Feel free to kick away......ya'all have been kicking anyways!


Good, now please hold still as I take a running start.



ummmm.................no. You gotta catch me, if you can.

I personally don't care where it was actually built, but where the badging of the mother company is located. :)

~Amanda

ORIGINAL: Dodgegirl19

I personally don't care where it was actually built, but where the badging of the mother company is located. :)

~Amanda



But see, my point is that nowadays, does it REALLY matter where its badged? I bet Nissan employs enough people (and spends enough $$$$$$$) in the US thru their factories and dealerships to substancially impact the economy in the US. Imagine how many people would be out of a job if Nissan or any foreign maker pulled out of the US market. It would be simply tragic.

the bottom line is where the big money is,and that amount ends up in the pocket of some japanese investor.

ORIGINAL: BadStratRT

the bottom line is where the big money is,and that amount ends up in the pocket of some japanese investor.



there are no American investors in Nissan or no Japanses investors in Dodge/Ford?Chevy?

profits end up in pockets of investors. Investors are world wide. Once again, its a GLOBAL economy nowadays. You just can't avoid it.

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

ORIGINAL: Dodgegirl19

I personally don't care where it was actually built, but where the badging of the mother company is located. :)

~Amanda



But see, my point is that nowadays, does it REALLY matter where its badged? I bet Nissan employs enough people (and spends enough $$$$$$$) in the US thru their factories and dealerships to substancially impact the economy in the US. Imagine how many people would be out of a job if Nissan or any foreign maker pulled out of the US market. It would be simply tragic.


It matters to me... I'm not worried about the bottomline or who invested in what... I'm concerned about heritage and history, looks and brands... don't get me wrong, I'm against anything that's not a Dodge or relation of... Ford and Chevy included... but that's me... I'm a loyal brand lover... doesn't mean I think it's smart if the foreign companies pulled out of the USA... but it doesn't matter to me one way or another because I'll always buy Dodge. :)

~Amanda

Who cares about the economy MONTY. Let's talk about that ugly, slow, over-rated, plastic POS truck of yours.

Oh yeah, forgot the smiley.

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I've been driving Dodge my whole life, Shadow, Stratus, Dakota, Ram, Hemi Ram, so i'm quite the loyal Dodge customer. Having said that, the Titan is a cool truck, it had to be to compete with the HEMI sitting in my driveway. Now Dodge has someone other than usual "rely on what's worked" companies like Ford and Chevy to compete with, am I wrong in thinking that's great news for Dodge owners? Oh wait, I was supposed to flame somebody wasn't I?

ORIGINAL: mopartodd

Who cares about the economy MONTY. Let's talk about that ugly, slow, over-rated, plastic POS truck of yours.

Oh yeah, forgot the smiley.

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See, this is the typical ignorant comment I knew I would expect venturing in here.

I think its safe to say you know my truck isn't slow. ;)

Ugly, well, thats a matter of taste. Believe it or not, Skippy, people find the Dodge just as ugly (Not me, though)

Over Rated? Why??? Because its not a "Big 3" truck and its the BEST competiton Dodge has had in awhile??

Ummmm......the Dodge has just as much plastic as mine, buttercup.

Why are you sooooooooooooo defensive, Todd?? Kinda like Penis envy, maybe???? :eek:

OK, now I can gloat a little, thanks to a link I found from the full size truck shootout on edmunds. I guess my Titan isn't so slow.

This one is for Todd--

Here is why the Titan won Full Size PU of the year

"To see how the Titan pulled off the win, look no further than its performance at the test track. Truck owners love to talk numbers and the Titan turned in top results in nearly every category. Its 0-to-60-mph time of 7.7 seconds was a full half second ahead of the second-place Dodge, and when it was loaded down with a 6,000-pound trailer and three passengers, it extended its lead over the Ram to nearly three seconds (16.8 vs. 19.5). Test notes revealed that the Titan got off the line faster than every other truck in the test, unloaded or not, and maintained a strong, virtually uninterrupted pull thanks to seamless shifts from its five-speed gearbox."

You can call it whatever you want, thats fact from edmunds posted by one of your members.

See, this is the typical ignorant comment I knew I would expect venturing in here.

I think its safe to say you know my truck isn't slow.

Ugly, well, thats a matter of taste. Believe it or not, Skippy, people find the Dodge just as ugly (Not me, though)

Over Rated? Why??? Because its not a "Big 3" truck and its the BEST competiton Dodge has had in awhile??

Ummmm......the Dodge has just as much plastic as mine, buttercup.

Why are you sooooooooooooo defensive, Todd?? Kinda like Penis envy, maybe????


If there is any envy problem it is yours. You found this forum, we didn't look for you. As far as being ignorant, you came in here and in your first post insulted one of the members. Trust me junior, that is considered extremely ignorant anywhere. I'm amazed your intellegent enough to recognize that you have been insulted. [sm=smiley20.gif]

Listen miny man, funny how you brought that (penis envy) up isn't it. Because you have penis issues,whatever they may actually be, doesn't mean everyone else does. You should really learn what and who that term actually applies to.
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Yes, I'm extremely defensive of things I care about. If your not, or can't understand that, you must be a wussy. [sm=smiley2.gif]

Hey guys I think that we are forgetting what makes america so great, what about freedom of choice . If he wants to use his hard earned money on a Titan so what. It is his money he is wasting. I don't like them but that doesnt mean that he cant. comeing onto Dodge forum to talk about how great his truck is ignorant but he is free to do that as well. I mean it is a free country isn' it?

Absolutely. We also have the right to rebut him.

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ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

"To see how the Titan pulled off the win, look no further than its performance at the test track. Truck owners love to talk numbers and the Titan turned in top results in nearly every category. Its 0-to-60-mph time of 7.7 seconds was a full half second ahead of the second-place Dodge, and when it was loaded down with a 6,000-pound trailer and three passengers, it extended its lead over the Ram to nearly three seconds (16.8 vs. 19.5). Test notes revealed that the Titan got off the line faster than every other truck in the test, unloaded or not, and maintained a strong, virtually uninterrupted pull thanks to seamless shifts from its five-speed gearbox."

You can call it whatever you want, thats fact from edmunds posted by one of your members.


Wow, typical magazine racer. I love it when people begin to quote right out of the mag!

Look just as a fyi and so you don't look like an ass on other message boards (assuming you haven't already) I will explain this as a courtesy. Not only for you but everyone else that love to magazine race and quote from paper sources.

1. When any vehicle is rated they just don't look at the engine and performance specs (surprise!)
2. Other factors that are weighed in:
a. cosmetic appearance (yeah like thats gonna matter when I'm racing your dumbass down the 1320!)
b. initial cost and optional upgrades (again, does this really matter when we get down and dirty?)
c. road noise (no explanation needed)
d. seriously, I can go on and on and on and on and on....
3. With everything considered, everything is given a point value and ultimately thats how everything is tallied.

Even when it came down to performance the titan edged out the ram by 2/10's of a second. Just 2/10's! But did you know this was done w/ the dodge factory 20inch rims. Do you even have a remote idea how much of an impact that has??? I would love to see a hemi and titan pair up, apples to apples and watch the titan get its ass handed to it!

Do you even understand what I'm getting at? Do you realize that your precious titan may have won first place because it may have scored higher for a prettier cabin? See so when you start spouting off about how [insert your favorite magazine here] scored the titan or ANY vehicle better it means absolutely jack **** to me.

HAve a nice day precious.

I am with you man. I was pretty much referring to nissan boy.

http://www.dodgeforum.com/tm.asp?m=62577

I gave him another magazine to look at. the numbers are considerably different than the Edmunds numbers. I also gave him a link to a recent personal experience I had with a guy I know who owns a titan.

Your points are great as well.[sm=smiley20.gif]

ORIGINAL: mopartodd

Just the Hemi dork. Trucks are assembled in the US.[sm=smiley8.gif]



How yah Figure. My old (2002) 4.7L had mexican writting all over it.

Ok, MightyTITAN!, so now you know that the ram 1500 is assembled in Michigan, ok your wiser now (even in your test drive you could have seen the big stamp on the window that says "quality assembled Michigan") well, the most important part in here is DO YOU THINK THAT IF HEMI WERE PRODUCED IN THE US IT WOULD BE BETTER???? Answer:NO.

Germans cuold say so much more about the "American" cars, they are much more precise, have more refinement, and much better engineering, and even they prefeer sometimes to increase the production in México than other places, even US, so, ok, Im from Saltillo, Mexico, here we assemble the hemi, but is the pride of DC, why do you think they choose to produce it here?? they have other engine plants in the US.

And yes, the 2500 and the 3500 heavy duty are assembled in the derramadero plant, also in Mexico, but, those are the only trucks that have won the truck of the year, not the 1500 assembled in US. Also the sport SRT10 is produced here, you really think that is coincidence that the best models (2500, 3500, and SRT10) are produced here, and also the best engine 5.7 Hemi?? Dont think so.

So get your "taco" back "hamburger" boy and join a Nissan forum.

Hey, I bought my dodge because I like the way it looks. I also like tacos, taco flavored kisses even better..

"Burrito. Taco taco. Burrito. Taco. Taco taco.
Don't think that just because I got a lot of money I'll give you taco-flavored kisses, honey!
Fulfill all your wishes with my taco-flavored kisses.
Taco taco. Burrito Burrito. Taco taco."

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Not quite sure how to take that post yawgom. Now let me clear up a few misconceptions that you have. The hemi is built in mexico because it replaced the old 5.9 that was built in saltillo, and for the cheaper labor. They wanted to give it to mack engine in detroit since we already build the 3.7, and 4.7 but thought we could not handle the extra load. Now they know they were wrong because half of mack I is idle. So now the new 6.1 hemi might be built at mack. No official word as of yet. And the best engine? I think that still belongs to the V10. Which is made here at conner assy, right next to the vipers. The reason you got the srt-10? Purely production numbers. They only need a few so why not use the least used truck plant, saltillo. They only build about 20 trucks an hour. Warren builds 70(and we don't do reg cabs), st louis about 45. So if we had your time per truck I'm sure we would get better quality. But warren truck is the largest money maker for the company. Why do you think we run three shifts? Also most 2500's come from st louis. And lastly your "best" engine is in lst place in warranty cost. Meaning its costing the company the most in warranty repairs. The best? 2.0 Trenton engine followed by the 4.7, and 3.7.

So easy there buddy, mack and kenosha are gunning for the new hemi, and the current one too!;)

Joe

MMMMM Tacos![sm=tongue.gif][sm=tongue.gif]

Karen

I have to admit, I like em too!![sm=icon_guiness.gif]

I also like tacos, taco flavored kisses even better..

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When I say "the best engine" I mean the best cost-value, for instance a in a regular hemi 5.7 how much it would cost you every hp, (345) and in the SRT10, you'll pay as twice for only 180 hp, then not only the most powerfull engine is the best.

And you said it, the SRT not sells, because $, and they are putting instead the hemi in every of their best cars, "built in Mexico", durango, ram, 300C, and others.

About the cheap labor dont belive it much, that was 15 years ago, an average worker now (supervisor or more) gets arround 3,000 - 7,000 a month, so if you want cheap labor ask China.

In general I hate when "American Pride" insults the work and the people that makes your cars but every one is braggin, the hemi logo or not??

So think about it.

yawgom,

If thats what your supervisors are making that means the guys on the line are making less right? The least amount an average auto worker makes up here is 4600 a month. And I'm assuming you are talking dollars and not pesos. Also I don't know what kind of benefits you guys get the uaw told us our benefit package is worth about 30 grand a year. And your right bang for your buck hemi hands down is the winner. But also don't forget all of those cars you mentioned that the hemi goes in are built in either canada or the states. So if it is so much better down there don't you think they would have just put everything down there by now?

And lastly do you even work at a chrysler plant, or do you just live there?

Joe

Tacos are the state food of Texas....BBQ (beef!) is distant 2nd.....[sm=smiley36.gif]

Yo Quiro Taco Bell Por Favor?[sm=icon_cheers.gif]

Karen

And lastly do you even work at a chrysler plant, or do you just live there?

Whoa dude! That was pretty cold blooded.

Well, im not precisely work at DC plant in Saltillo, I give them outsource services only, but I have friends and family working there. This is all about racism against Mexicans, is not the first time that it happens in a forum.

I think is wrong to tell someone that just for being Mexican or from other region (that is not US) that his skills to produce something with quality are limited, and thats what you people are saying.

About the 4600 US dollars (you dont need to asume nothing this time), you are saying that the guys IN LINE make about 25 dollars an hour??? on a regular work basis, it would be nice that you back up that info, because seems a little exagerated, bottom line, Mexico is not anymore a cheap labor country, you would be surprised by how high are the prices of labor are here, China is now becoming a big supplier for Mexico now; I agree that you are better paid, but dont think that you are gettin' 100% more. About benefits, they have medical insurance by new york life (for all the family), 2 cars per year, and transportation. I think thats worth the 30 k.

So lets just think that the things that are produced here, are produced here for some reason, not for us to decide, and the same thing for you. Lets keep it that way.

I can't agree that there has been any racism toward Mexicans, but maybe I haven't seen the thread either. Let me tell you that I think your doing a good job, from what i can tell, I love my Hemi.

Todd I was just asking he worked at the plant or if he lived in the area of the plant. Not quite sure what you thought I meant.

Yawgom,

Yes 25/ hr is base for a big three union worker. It goes higher for shift premiums. 5% for second 10% for third. I don't know how to prove that to you without showing you a paystub, so I don't know what else to say. Do they give you two cars, or two discounts for cars a year? We get 6 discounts per year, but no cars. Cars would be nice though!;) So think about it you are probably making anywhere from half to to three quarters to what we make. That is quite a bit of differance when you times that by thousands of people. And a side note, health ins(mine is $8000 per year family of three)is just one of the many benefits we enjoy as part of our contract.
Also if I have disrespected you or your culture I am sorry. I did not think I did, but perhaps you took something I said that way.
What most of us up here are getting tired of is corprate america is shipping a lot of our jobs to mexico, and now china but expecting the american consumer to keep buying the products. No job=no money=no product being bought. But they don't see it that way, and unfortunately neither does the average american until it is too late.

Joe

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Just to correct this, some rams are built in mexico, some 2500, 3500, and the srt-10 are built in mexico. Most are built in warrn mich(1500 quad), or st louis mo(2500 and 1500 reg and quad). The hemi engine is built in mexico, which I think is a disgrace, but that is a whole other topic.

Joe



Whats more of a disgrace is that so called American truck owners insist on beating up on so called foreign trucks, when the "foreign" truck is just as American built product as the (fill in blank with Dodge, Ford, Chevy....)

Its a World economy nowadays people. There really isn't a true "American" company or "Foreign" company anymore- yeah, they may have their headquaters here, but you can guaran-damn-tee that some of Dodge -or Ford or Chevy's profits go all over the World, just like Nissans.


Most people forget that there is a big difference between foriegn & domestic auto companies, regardless of where the truck was assembled. Profit. I want to buy from American companies because the profit stays here. When you buy from a foriegn company, profit gets sucked out of our country resulting in less taxes, less investment, etc etc etc.

Lets keep it in the family.

No jobs = No money, not true. Remember, all the profit goes to the US, remember that we buy more than we produce (talking only about DC plants in México), that means that there is a positive balance for you. Maybe you wont get a job because the mexican plant offered those jobs here, but, finally the money of DC revenues will be spent or invested there at home.

I'd take the 3/4 at LEAST of what you make there, but think that there are transportation cost that they have to pay, and higher taxes (at least much more than texas), so that closes a little bit the breach about the cost.

About the racism, dot know if you Joe said something, but at the begining there was some comments about the engine were made in Mexico, like it was a "disgrace" to have a mexican produced engine under the hood like "shame on you" get a big taco, that i the main thread. But I can naturally understand that you disagree, your comment about loosing jobs and things like that makes sense to me, but not just tha fact that "if its from Mexico, is bad".

So, I ask those other people have a little more of respect, and think, just for a second that maybe some of that mexicans that work there could have more degree than you do, know more languages than you do and overall have more skills.

Dank und sieht Sie bald. Joe

Oscar de León Möller
Systems Engineer.

Yawgom,

I'd call you Oscar, but not quite sure if I can.:) The point of it being a "disgrace" to have the hemi built in mexico is the hemi is an American icon. I for one would like to see an american icon made in America. I had no big beef with 360 or 5.9 that used to come out of saltillo. I used to have one in an old ramcharger. The other beef I have with dcx is the rebirth of the "American full size sedan", built in canada. Now I mean no ill will to canada, but I thought an american sedan should be just that, an American sedan.

On a side note you are more educated than I am my spanish is poor at best!;) And I don't have a degree as of yet, but I'm working on it.

Joe

everyone was gettin quite nasty back there, sheesh, can't believe the moderation done.
i've seen softer situations get deleted. :P

ORIGINAL: TheMightyTITAN!

oh, and just so you don't think I am a Dodge hater, I am not. I drove a Hemi 2wd with the 20" wheels, etc. and it was real nice. I loved it, in fact. I think the interiors are a bit nicer, and that truck was gorgeous in the gun metal grey color. I also love the retro look of some of the Dodges with the Hemi orange and the decals and stuff. Retro is cool.

It probably would have ended up in my driveway if the Dodge dealer didn't try to hose me for $150/mo more than the Nissan dealer did. Both trucks were about 500 apart, and the Dodge dealer (with a Dodge trade in, no less) tried to tell me my payments for the Dodge were going to be $600!!! I took my Dodge (a POS Car I got willed to me....LOL) to the Nissan dealer, and they got my payment right were I wanted it ($450) in under an hour.

Dodge lost my sale because the dealer was soooooooooooo slimy. If he had not been that way, I'd probably be full time on this board!


The answer might be further down the thread but how could $4500 in incentives plus your trade not wallop the nissan dealer? I have $35k worth of truck I payed $24k for sitting in the drive way with only $4k worth of trade (and it was brand new (12miles)).

Shrek