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Eclipse-Stealth - 9/27/2006 1:40:03 PM
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91Stealth
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I heard a lot of people bashing the stealth and 3000gt cars saying they can't compete with an eclipse even at the same levels (base, es, sL, RT TT) and such, is there any truth to this or are they just being cocky?
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/27/2006 1:51:32 PM
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I heard a lot of people bashing the stealth and 3000gt cars saying they can't compete with an eclipse even at the same levels (base, es, sL, RT TT) and such, is there any truth to this or are they just being cocky?
Well, they're mostly right. The Dodge Stealth/Mitsubishi 3000GT are powered for the most part by the same motors and transmissions as in the Eclipse. The problem? The weight. The Stealth/3000GT are extremely heavy cars for coupes...and some were AWD options.
The only really fast model Stealth/3000GT were the turbo'd R/T and twin turbo'd TT model options. The VR4 was the top model for the 3000GT, the Stealth TT was the top model for the Stealths. Both were 300hp AWD 5spds out the gate. These cars would destroy most of the Eclipses ever built. In fact, the only car that was Eclipse or Eclipse based that would probably beat those models were the Talon GSX's...AWD turbo'd Eclipse basically...
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/27/2006 2:31:10 PM
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91Stealth
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what about the un turbocharged models. i got a 91 dodge stealth R/T would that compete against non turbos?
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/27/2006 2:32:34 PM
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91Stealth
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oh my R/T is not turbo charged and not AWD or AWS so how much lighter is it ?
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/27/2006 3:18:02 PM
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From Edmunds.com
1991 R/T: 3164 lbs, 222 HP
1991 R/T TT: 3793lbs, 300 HP (bumped to 320HP in 1994)
1991 Eclipse GSX (Turbo 4cyl, AWD, Same as Talon GSX)
195 HP (no weight posted)
1998 Eclipse GSX (Turbo 4cyl, AWD, Same as Talon GSX)
210 HP, 3157 lbs
Non-turbo
140 HP, 2842 lbs
2003 Eclipse GTS
3241 lbs, 210 HP
2006 Eclipse GT
3472 lbs, 263 HP
The earlier eclipses were much lighter, but only powered by 4 cyl. Might be a good race between the turbo eclipse and the Naturally aspirated Stealth. The engine in the 2003 is very similar to the Non turbo Stealth, but no turbo option stock. I would say the 2006 Eclipse would give a twin turbo Stealth a run for its money.
DevilsReject, I hadn't heard of a stock single turbo RT, only twin turbos. What year was it made?
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/27/2006 3:45:26 PM
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The earlier eclipses were much lighter, but only powered by 4 cyl. Might be a good race between the turbo eclipse and the Naturally aspirated Stealth. The engine in the 2003 is very similar to the Non turbo Stealth, but no turbo option stock. I would say the 2006 Eclipse would give a twin turbo Stealth a run for its money.
DevilsReject, I hadn't heard of a stock single turbo RT, only twin turbos. What year was it made?
The 2006 Eclipse isnt that powerful...and I'd take a Twin Turbo'd Stealth/3000GT everytime....
As for the single stock turbo's, I wasnt paying attention to what I typed... 
They only made the a twin turbo Stealth/3000GT
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/28/2006 8:15:44 AM
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In fact, the only car that was Eclipse or Eclipse based that would probably beat those models were the Talon GSX's...AWD turbo'd Eclipse basically...
Correction: The Talon "GSX" is actually the Talon Tsi. The GSX was Eclipse only. Sorry, but it kinda agervates me when someone messes up one the DSMs I had one.
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/28/2006 8:30:42 AM
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Talon Tsi and Eclipse GSX = same car.....but I appreciate the correction. I know the difference between the two....just got in a hurry typing....
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/28/2006 10:13:40 AM
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i dont know.. my neighbor has a eclipse gst (frontwheel turbo) that is laying down 336whp. if you figure in the weight to horse power ratio. that turns out to a pretty fast car. it just seems if you could somehow match weight between the stealth and eclipse the stealth would win. its always a matter of weight.....
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/28/2006 10:18:37 AM
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i dont know.. my neighbor has a eclipse gst (frontwheel turbo) that is laying down 336whp. if you figure in the weight to horse power ratio. that turns out to a pretty fast car. it just seems if you could somehow match weight between the stealth and eclipse the stealth would win. its always a matter of weight.....
We're talking stock numbers...not aftermarket....but yes..that would be a pretty fast car...
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 9/28/2006 10:44:28 AM
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i dont know.. my neighbor has a eclipse gst (frontwheel turbo) that is laying down 336whp. if you figure in the weight to horse power ratio. that turns out to a pretty fast car. it just seems if you could somehow match weight between the stealth and eclipse the stealth would win. its always a matter of weight.....
We're talking stock numbers...not aftermarket....but yes..that would be a pretty fast car...
Well in that case. yeah that kinda pisses me off. my friend had a 3000gt that always got owned by this eclipse. and they were stock.
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 10/2/2006 10:17:15 PM
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as of after owning both i can tell you this. if its a stick non turbo stealth is should be able to beat the non turbo eclipse/talon. i ahve a 93 stealth es and a 95 eagle talon tsi ( turbo) and it is very fast it only turbo back exhaust manual boost control and a intake and i keep up with or beat the twin turbo stealths. and mines even automatic.
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 10/3/2006 12:17:32 AM
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Willis_93ES
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as of after owning both i can tell you this. if its a stick non turbo stealth is should be able to beat the non turbo eclipse/talon. i ahve a 93 stealth es and a 95 eagle talon tsi ( turbo) and it is very fast it only turbo back exhaust manual boost control and a intake and i keep up with or beat the twin turbo stealths. and mines even automatic.
Damn man i always loved tsi talons. some kid had one @ my school last year that would rip the nuts off of anything in my parking lot.
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 10/3/2006 10:15:52 AM
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Trim level to trim level and year to year the Stealth/3000GT are superior to the Eclipse/Talon/Laser. I love both cars and always wanted both a '93 Stealth R/T TT and a'97-'98 Talon TSi AWD. If you were to compare them on a dollar vs. performance scale then the Eclipse/Talon/Laser wins, but just on performance vs. performance the Stealth/3000GT wins. The Stealth/3000GT are very heavy and the AWD Eclipse/Talon/Laser are as well, but the horsepower gap is just too large and cannot be overcome. What I never understood is how the Stealth and 3000GT being the same exact car mechanically and almost physically could have very different performance with the 3000GT being noticeably quicker. As was previously mentioned the Eclipse/Talon/Laser had several bumps in horsepower, but it was very small and nowhere near enough to bridge the gap, and the Stealth/3000GT got a one time bump up 20 horsepower in only the TT versions, which is the same ultimate bump from the first turbo Eclipse/Talon/Laser. The '94 model year not only saw the only real changes to the Stealth/3000GT, styling and 20 horsepower and I believe that's when they got the 6 spd to replace the 5 spd., but the Eclipse/Talon/Laser had their similar changes which included the end of the Plymouth Laser.
Here is how they all stack up in performance:
1991 Dodge Stealth ES 7.1 15.6
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 6.0 14.5
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 5.7 14.2
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT SL 8.5 16.4
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 13.8
1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.8 14.3
1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.3 14.0
1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.7 14.2
1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 5.4 13.5
1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8 13.6
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1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T 7.4 15.9
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T (Auto) 7.4 15.5 (MT June, 94)
1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.9 15.2
1992 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 7.0 15.3
1992 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS Turbo 6.7 15.3 (MT Sept, 92)
1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.8 15.2
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 9.0 16.6
1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX 6.4 14.9
2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 7.0 15.4
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 6.8 15.1
1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 6.7 15.2
1994 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 6.6 14.6
1995 Eagle Talon TSi 6.4 15.1
1997 Eagle Talon ESi 8.3 16.4
1990 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo 6.9 15.4
1992 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo 7.1 15.0
That should take care of which out performs which.
The '06 Eclipse GT does have 263 horsepower, but it is very heavy and that holds them back. They also do not apply to this comparison, but it would be a very good race between the '06 GT and the first generation TT's, this could be a drivers race, but the TT's will win most of the time and will always win with equally skilled drivers.
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RE: Eclipse-Stealth - 10/3/2006 10:23:36 AM
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The fastest Stealth was the 96TT. It was the lightest of the Stealth models. It is comparable to the GTO-MR in japan.
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