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RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 2:56:52 PM
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MangoInTX
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My to cent$: I would expect DCX not to make rash statements and I would not expect DCX to be accountable for anything that breaks due to modifications.
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RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 4:00:13 PM
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So this thread is not about real problems about the charger mechanically right? Just about the Dodge company right?
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RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 5:09:52 PM
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And as for the bullentin ill talk to the people i know and ill post it here ASAP
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RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 6:11:19 PM
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I think all this really got started on another thread that mentioned some kind of "service bulletin" in which service departments were told to not honor the warranty on cars that had any kind of mod if that mod "COULD" have caused the initial failure. That lead to the conclusion that, although some of us were told that chips, CAI, etc. were on their way, and there would be no warranty problems, i.e., the bolt-on part in and of itself would not void the warranty, now DCX is, in the minds of some, "declaring war", and inferring that we cannot put bolt-on parts on our cars, and that if there is a bolt on, after market part, it is probably the cause for the failure. That in turn lead to speculation that there is a problem somewhere - either in the bottom end or the valve train or transmission that has raised its ugly head, and that DCX is looking for a "way out". Apparently, there must have been failures of a certain part or area of the drive train that has brought all this on, but we don't know what it is. If we knew, then we could possibly take steps to protect that part or area and maintain our warranties. That's like a person buying a .22 riffle and then gets .22 long riffle bullets, then finds out he can't use anything but shorts in it because the .22 longs cause problems - even though they are made for riffles, but the manufacturer won't say what the problem is. Stupid analogy, but all I could think of right now. I hope you know what I'm trying to say.
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RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 6:38:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: 74scamp
I think all this really got started on another thread that mentioned some kind of "service bulletin" in which service departments were told to not honor the warranty on cars that had any kind of mod if that mod "COULD" have caused the initial failure. That lead to the conclusion that, although some of us were told that chips, CAI, etc. were on their way, and there would be no warranty problems, i.e., the bolt-on part in and of itself would not void the warranty, now DCX is, in the minds of some, "declaring war", and inferring that we cannot put bolt-on parts on our cars, and that if there is a bolt on, after market part, it is probably the cause for the failure. That in turn lead to speculation that there is a problem somewhere - either in the bottom end or the valve train or transmission that has raised its ugly head, and that DCX is looking for a "way out". Apparently, there must have been failures of a certain part or area of the drive train that has brought all this on, but we don't know what it is.
dave
And it seems right now that all it is is; SPECULATION, HEARSAY and RUMORS.
If anyone has hard, concrete proof (and not that PDF file letter from DCX) that dealerships are denying warranty coverage based on bolt-on CAI's, chips, ehaust sytems, etc. or whatever then let's hear the FACTS..not speculation.
It seems like everyone is quick to bash the dealers. There are good dealers and there are bad dealers. I've seen stuff on all the forums where one dealer will gladly warranty repair a problem that another dealer wouldn't touch the exact same problem with a 10 foot pole. Just because you have a warranty doesn't mean you as a buyer can abuse or modify the product. Each case is different and all we see is one point of view (from the forum poster) and we don't know the full story. The are always small, key details that get omitted in the telling of the story that could be crucial to the outcome. And we all know how people like to "one-up" the other members here to show how great the service we got was and how special we are. You have to take what you read here with a grain of salt.
I think DCX sees how incredibly popular the Charger has become to horsepower boosting modifications and wants to head things off before they spin out of control. I am willing to bet this sort of "popularity " was not as fully expected as it has turned out to be. it could very well be the 5.7L Hemi is already at the edge of the envelope (so to speak) and that hopping it up any further could lead to a failure point that wasn't expected when car enthusiasts are let loose.
But let's all wait and see what the facts are before deriding DCX and dealers.
As for the original intent of this post to say that advertising claims were grossly exagerated by DCX to me is to be expected. Don't you ever read the fine print on the screen "professional driver on a closed course" ? have you ever seen a truck commercial with all the mud flying around? have any of you really tried to drive your Ford F150 or Chevy Silverado like that? If you did I'd bet you a million bucks you'd get stuck. It's advertising people, it's designed to get you excited and turned on about the product to go out and buy it. And guess what? IT WORKED! You all bought Chargers based on the ads. Do you want to charge Budwieser with BS advertising because you don't have all those hot chicks around you when you crack open a Bud Light? Or Kool cigarettes becauase you didn't acheive the lifestyle their ad models aspired to? Hell, pick any ad out you want and you'll find 1000% exageration. that is th job of advertising.
'nuff said. I'll get off the soap box now....
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RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 11:02:25 PM
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The Fine Print I never Saw...
Professional driver on a closed course. In no way should this product be abused in the ways we have shown. These statements, specifications, and photos should be used for entertainment purposes only. The Dodge Charger and the Daytona package is just a replication to what once was a true "Muscle Car". This car is not intended to be a "Muscle Car". It is nothing more than a sticker kit. What wins on Sunday, does not sell on Moday anymore. In the event of this product being used for any other purpose beyond slow driving, DCX takes no responsibility and there for the warranty is void. Any modification or addition, including pine tree shaped air fresheners,will void the warranty. Gas Mileage Specification are under controled conditions with a tail wind, speed set at 50 mph, slight negitive roadway grade, and the MDS acctivated with our hand held scan tool. With the use of less throttle, always drive carefully. Please wear your seatbelt!
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RE: BS Meter - 9/27/2006 7:47:38 AM
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OMG LMAO mike colnt have said it better myself!
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RE: BS Meter - 9/29/2006 1:46:20 AM
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Damn people,
I read more of this thread then maybe I should have. Are there truly this many car owners out there that don't grasp the fact that 350hp crank is a lot different then 350rwhp? Do you people really expect your cars to be 350rwhp? 280rwhp is extremely respectable. That is a 20% loss from transmisson and rear end. Do some research. I've known these numbers for over twenty years. Hell, just read some of the crappy hot rod magazines that are still out there, you should believe them over my rant. Dyno numbers are not the same as manufacturers claimed HP. There is a parasitic loss to transmissions and final drive. Some systems are more efficient then others but still there is no manufacturer today who can apply 100% of crank to RWHP.
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RE: BS Meter - 9/29/2006 2:02:01 AM
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ok zedd calm down calm down pop a couple of percasets and sit in front of a six pack and relax .we know that.but let me ask you this lets say the car was a 500 hp car but at the rear wheels was 200 hp.but the car was advertised as 500 hp,would you be pissed and feel like you got screwed .im not saying i feel screwed or any should feel screwed,but there is an intentional thought process buy all manufacturers to rate the cars at the crank and not at the rear wheels.which as far as im concerned is the real hp numbers.maybe to increase the hp to the ground they should have offered the cars with a stick shift option.
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RE: BS Meter - 9/29/2006 6:38:26 AM
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Dave, the problem with Budweiser, is that all girls, and even some farm animals look good after few. The camera is just trying to show the effects as seen through someone that has consumend the product.
Similar consequences are experienced when getting into the Daytona, the degassing of the plastisizers into the sealed cocpit, provide a euphoric feeling, It seems that Dodge has tied the degassing mechanism gas pedal operation. So the illusion if acelleration is just produce by gassing the occupants, If you dont feel it then roll up the windows for full effect...
I was young during the first muscle car era but I do remember a tuneup every 15,000 miles, vapor lock, sitting at a stop light in the summer with so much tailpipe emissions that it was hard to breath. Being that is was 9 yrs old, I could sit in the front seat without a seatbelt. Of course all they had were lapbelts, no shoulder harneses anyway. When you bought a car it was common to make a dozen trips to the dealership to have them fixed, pieces missing, misaligned, poorly fitted. the only gauge was an oil light, but it was bad when it came on. But I digress.
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RE: BS Meter - 9/29/2006 9:38:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: IXLR8
Dave, the problem with Budweiser, is that all girls, and even some farm animals look good after few. The camera is just trying to show the effects as seen through someone that has consumend the product.
Similar consequences are experienced when getting into the Daytona, the degassing of the plastisizers into the sealed cocpit, provide a euphoric feeling, It seems that Dodge has tied the degassing mechanism gas pedal operation. So the illusion if acelleration is just produce by gassing the occupants, If you dont feel it then roll up the windows for full effect...
I was young during the first muscle car era but I do remember a tuneup every 15,000 miles, vapor lock, sitting at a stop light in the summer with so much tailpipe emissions that it was hard to breath. Being that is was 9 yrs old, I could sit in the front seat without a seatbelt. Of course all they had were lapbelts, no shoulder harneses anyway. When you bought a car it was common to make a dozen trips to the dealership to have them fixed, pieces missing, misaligned, poorly fitted. the only gauge was an oil light, but it was bad when it came on. But I digress.
That was good! Really GOOD!!!!
dave
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And as for the motor is concerned a cai and exaust (exept for covering the stock exhaust if theres headers installed but who gives a shit really)should not void the warranty according to my dealership.And as far as chips go it all depends on the situation like for example at my dealership they have an SRT-10 that a guy used a cheap aftermarket computer flasher and now it thinks its an automatic.And they cant refalsh it.In this case no one should expect DC to pay for it. 
. yea i wish. 
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