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RE: BS Meter - 9/25/2006 4:39:39 PM    2coff Posts: 963 Joined: 5/11/2005 From: So Cal Status: offline STi's and EVO's are preformance cars too, but take them to the track one time and the warrenty is void. It's just the car world, if they can void a warrenty they will and it's not just DCX, try modding any car and you can have problems with warrenty, it's really up to each dealer. _____________________________ Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety -Benjamin Franklin -2005 Dodge Dakota QC SLT -2000 Chrysler Concorde LXI (stock) -1968 Datsun pickup (in reply to 74scamp) Post #: 16

RE: BS Meter - 9/25/2006 4:45:52 PM    IXLR8   Posts: 376 Joined: 12/27/2005 From: Katy, TX Status: offline I am reading but I am not believing... You are having an opportunity to drive what will surely be the last generation of large displacement V8 engined cars. There will always be performance cars, just ones you cannot afford. Do not blame Dodge for retarding your performance, they are having to do it because of the retards that cannot properly handle the performance. The answer is in the ECM module. Someone with intimate knowledge of its workings is the only way that you will ever see the performance potential of your car, and they have not stepped up to the plate yet. Perhaps a bribe pool needs to be formed in order to make it happen. Look what the Asari X-Prize did for space travel.... I will start the wheels in motion.... I hereby announce the IXLR8 prize, for the first person or team to fully disable the ECU's control over the performance of the car. The modification must be reversible and not require any wiring changes. I hereby offer $5.00 Five Dollars US for the first solution. _____________________________ I feel a need... a need for SPEED !! GMG Daytona Only insecure people list mods... (in reply to 74scamp) Post #: 17

RE: BS Meter - 9/25/2006 8:26:33 PM    08ChallengerDad   Posts: 24 Joined: 8/5/2006 Status: offline As 2coff stated, the 340 HP R/T and 350 HP Daytona are measured at the crank. RWHP at 270 is very respectable. Bear in mind that the Charger is a 4,000 pound car (that STILL sets me back in the seat nicely when I thump the throttle). If I turn the traction control off, I can "break the rear wheels loose" at will, especially accelerating out of a turn. From everything I've seen, "drifters" use low profile tires with high air pressures to get the "slide" they crave. Factory equipped tires with thier higher sidewalls are meant to provide a compromise of comfortable ride, good performance, good wear, and safety. As far as "warranty" isues are concerned, I've never "modded" a car and expected ANY manufacturer to repair damage to any part of the car I modified (that's like buying a new home and expecting the general contractor to repair your roof because you hired someone else a year or so afterward to install roof windows - possibly incorrectly - and the roof leaks). But I don't expect the dealership to deny warranty work on the transmission if I tinted the windows. I've never modified a vehicle's drivetrain until the warranty expired. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I'm not sure what anyone else expects when they buy a new car. I don't buy one with the intent of making immediate modifications. I buy the car I want as it sits on the dealer's lot. I save the "modding" for when I've had the car for some time, the "newness/novelty" has worn off, and instead of looking for another/different/new car (and payment book), I try making modifications to the one I have to "spice it up" because I'm bored with it as it is. It's a lot like buying a stereo, folks...... If a 100 watt reciever doesn't provide the volume you desire, you need to DOUBLE the output to a 200 watt reciever to gain a perceptible difference. The same is basically true with cars - you need to spend twice as much to gain a perceptible difference. On that note, anyone know where I can get a new Porsche 911 for $35,000.00? < Message edited by 08ChallengerDad -- 9/25/2006 8:32:46 PM > (in reply to moparmike) Post #: 18

RE: BS Meter - 9/25/2006 11:29:06 PM    Lateral-G   Posts: 142 Joined: 6/5/2005 Status: offline I got my Charger because I had a Magnum R/T and when driving thru the dealer lot I saw a TB Daytona and HAD to have it! I had never read any literature on the Magnum R/T before I bought it. I liked it's looks first but when I test drove it...WOW! The acceleration and power were unlike anything I had until then. That's why I knew my TB Daytona would be even better. Reading reviews in pubs and on the web is secondary to me. Sure it's nice to read a positive review which reinforces my purchase decision. But in the end it's how happy I AM with my car. And I , for one, an extremely happy with it. I get more comments on my Daytona then any other car I've had. When I roll up to the guard shack at work I always get a thumbs up from the guard, when I gas up at the filling station I always get comments from the clerk behind the counter or other customers, my neighbors are jealous of my car because it looks so cool. Friends that ride in it with me are always impressed with the performance and kick in the seat it gives when I punch the accelerator. So all in all I am quite happy with my Charger. All advertisements for cars are misleading. They always have been. It's their job to sell cars. If the bend or stretch the truth so what? if you don't like the car then you don't have to buy it. Chrysler/Dodge has come a long way and IMO they have a quality product. You can call me a fanboy if you want but I am a happy Dodge owner. -G- (in reply to 08ChallengerDad) Post #: 19

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 1:35:27 AM    topbanna3767   Posts: 592 Joined: 6/26/2006 From: queens nyc Status: offline hi all i think i have won the ix prize go to gsmmotorsports.com they have the esp disabler for 199 its 2 switchs that install it looks like under the dash in under a 1/2 hour .it claims to eliminate esp torque managment and brings the fan on earlier to help keep the engine cooler. all for only 199 .ive looked at the other charger forum and a couple of people that have swear by it that it works great _____________________________ afe stage2 CAI,jba headers,jba cats,jba catback,srt hood,ice coolant,180stat ,esp disabler,painted grill,hd tranny cooler,enginecooler,diablo,pro-torq conv,sidewinder cam,franks heads.srt wheels&brakes/srt rear/magna/srt injectors&fuel rail.cabin filter (in reply to Lateral-G) Post #: 20

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 1:41:01 AM    baldyloxs Posts: 1087 Joined: 10/28/2005 Status: offline The car is great,but I do believe that we shouldnt have to stomp on the brake and gas to do a great burnout.(we have got a 35,000$ car that says HEMI on it IMO it should smoke em)Maybe if they get their heads out of their asses and realize gramma isnt driven them it would be lots better for me anyways.I also didnt buy the car to mod the crap out of it,but we have to try and get the xtra edge.It says HEMIon the side I think of RUBBER flyin,smoke rolling not some little squeal.I get the littl squeal out of my 3.1 V6 Monte,and I got a 1989 GMC with 200,00 miles on that will smoke em if I hold the brake and mash the gas.I am not bashing the car it is very nice,its just not living up to its HEMI name IMO is all . KILL HAL Marty < Message edited by baldyloxs -- 9/26/2006 1:42:13 AM > _____________________________ (in reply to Lateral-G) Post #: 21

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 1:53:02 AM    karleysDAD   Posts: 70 Joined: 8/19/2005 Status: offline Yes, I love my Charger R/T. "340 at the crank". I dont care the car has more power then any other car off the lot for the price. But it looks so different then any other car that has been made. Yes i have made mods. To make my car, so as it does not look like the other thousands made. And I have worked in Automotive shops and it is up to the dealer and or shop to prove what you have done has damaged the car. And not just because you had added some items. Anyways have a nice day. Then go get in your car sart it up drive up to the on ramp to the freeway, smash the pedal to the floor and see if that dont put a smile back on your face. _____________________________ (in reply to topbanna3767) Post #: 22

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 6:22:46 AM    IXLR8   Posts: 376 Joined: 12/27/2005 From: Katy, TX Status: offline If you want tire smoke, go ahead and put the best tire available in 1969 on your car, the Goodyear 70 series Polyglass GT bias ply tires. You could smoke those tires all day long on your Charger. Chances are, you do not even know the difference between the old muscle car era bias ply tires and modern radials... On the other hand my Daytona came with some of the best sticky, long wearing, 55 series tires, that I have ever owned. The reason you can't burnout like ya used to could, is that the tire technology has come a long way. Try driving your car on a track with some curves, you would spank ANY 60's musclecar by wide margin. Such is the technology of your car, a resonable 1/4 miler, with great handling suspension in the turns. < Message edited by IXLR8 -- 9/26/2006 6:23:20 AM > _____________________________ I feel a need... a need for SPEED !! GMG Daytona Only insecure people list mods... (in reply to baldyloxs) Post #: 23

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 10:03:08 AM    mnboy   Posts: 714 Joined: 1/27/2006 Status: offline Mike, WOW. Did you ever hit a nerve with this one! Bash, boom, bang and ka-pow! Reading all these posts, I feel I'm watching an old Batman show . Reno, eh? Beautiful place, cooler and maybe you'll have to put snowtires on your Daytona... I'm not trying to ignore the fact this is happening because you decided to either protect yourself or someone else... such is the life of a peace officer nowadays. Always on the line -- criminals in the front, political subdivisions on the backside that refuse to back their officers. People don't realize the criminals have the rights on their side and the victims are forgotten. The whiny media makes sure the bad guys are protected. It's twisted completely bassackwards these days. God Bless you Mike. I applaud you and you have my admiration. Marty has the new buzz: KILL HAL. Amen, brother, amen! MN (in reply to moparmike) Post #: 24

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 10:40:27 AM    06HEMIazy   Posts: 44 Joined: 9/11/2006 Status: offline Im shocked to see all this 1: I honestly dont get what every one is talking about here.I can come to a complete stop then just mash the throttle and spin the tires in one spot for a good 4sec and skate my rear for another 20-30 feet.I dont get everyone elses claims? 2:My brother is a DC master tech and said that the flood gate for the 5.7 is in the heads/valves and the fuel delivering system and tuned for such.This is his take on it with knowing the enginering of the motor and his experience .He admits the after market isnt there yet but will come around eventaully. 3.And when asked how much the stock drive train could take he said there isnt to many worries there. look at the srt8 and then over biuld the tranny and thats where we are at. (in reply to IXLR8) Post #: 25

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 11:41:18 AM    Daytona RT Posts: 231 Joined: 11/9/2005 Status: offline 06HEMIazy, I appreciate your confusion with some of the frustration you read on this thread. Much of it comes from notification to the Stealership Servless Procunfusional, that aftermarket mods do substantial engine damage and that damage caused by these mods are viable reasons to void a warrantee. I thoroughly understand everyone's frustration, though I believe after much research that I understand why DCX has gone to these lengths. I wrote a brief technical post about the difference Between the 5.7 and the improvements made on the 6.1. If you look closely there are some substantial weaknesses that we are only now becoming aware of. Part of my information came from the link immediately below. The last link is to the thread where we discuss the option of NOS as a performance modification alternative. http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html http://www.dodgeforum.com/m_550408/tm.htm I hope this help you understand the unit, and the issues irritating the well intentioned gearhead. Be safe out there. _____________________________ (in reply to 06HEMIazy) Post #: 26

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 1:04:06 PM    74scamp   Posts: 1238 Joined: 1/25/2006 From: Los Lunas, ,NM Status: online My frustration stems from the aforementioned service bulletin about after market bolt ons messing the engine up. I see it as a "way out" if something should happen and you take it in for warranty work. That's my concern. Should I leave my CAI on, my JET chip in, the program from the SC? Or should I put it back to stock? It definitely runs better with these mods, but at what price, and paid by whom? dave _____________________________ (in reply to Daytona RT) Post #: 27

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 1:11:16 PM    BigBananna3796of4000   Posts: 563 Joined: 5/10/2006 Status: offline I agree that notice is disturbing. My dealer is a total jack ass too. If I have an issue w/ my car and it gets tied to the Mopar CIA I will never buy Dodge again. F- them! Chevy already let me down w/ my 96 Impala SS. Freaking car fell part at 60k miles. I babied it too! ha! Where is that Daytona, 73 ,12 second Charger driving beer guy I need his comical postings? _____________________________ (in reply to 74scamp) Post #: 28

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 2:05:59 PM    Lateral-G   Posts: 142 Joined: 6/5/2005 Status: offline OK.... What should DCX do? Their main goal is to produce a vehicle that will appeal to 99% of the driving population. In order to do this they have to make certain concessions to allow for cost, producibility, federal regulations, insurance requirements and emission standards. In reality the Chargers we drive at compromises of all these driving criteria. this carr CANNOT be all things to all drivers. Even back in the early 70's sales of a 426 hemi powered Charger or Challenger were miniscule. They apeealed only to a small minority that could afford them. Things are no different today. Do most of you think you're going to go into a showroom and drive off the lot with a 12 second car that will cost you $35K? it's not going to happen. Speed costs. That's the rule. The more horespower you want will require more money. It's always been that way and always will. What do most of you want to do with your Charger? Go fast off the line and do the 1/4 mile in less than 12 seconds? Or....have a top end speed of 160+MPH and stick-to-the-road-like-glue handling? I have news for you....you can't have both with out some sort of compromise in performance AND still keep the cost down below $35K Foy you guys putting NOS in your cars...how long do you think you can do that before something breaks? Production cars will not withstand unlimited shots of NOS before you burn a piston or throw a rod. The manufacturer uses the cheapest, most cost effective way to build their engines. You can take that to the bank. this means just enough to hold up under NORMAL driving conditions (where, again, 99% of the users will be using the engine) If I made engines and provided a warranty I would certainly void it if I found out the buyer was doing things to the engine that was never intended to be done with it. That only makes good business sense. If you are so worried about the warranty coverage then drive the car until the warranty expires and then trick it out. DC also had provisos on their old school hemi powered vehicles that if you were found to be moidding or racing them and tried to claim warranty services you would be denied. Why should things be any different today than 30 years ago? I plan on keeping my Daytona stock. I bought it for the styling and performance it had out-of-the-box. there's nothing wrong with it that way. In 3 years or 36K miles when the warranty is up then I may consider hopping it up. But for right now I am very, very happy with it. -G- (in reply to BigBananna3796of4000) Post #: 29

RE: BS Meter - 9/26/2006 2:39:01 PM    moparmike Posts: 118 Joined: 6/21/2006 From: Reno, Nevada Status: offline This isn't a "I hate my car" topic. It's a post of the BS DCX feeds us so we buy their product. Do you really think Dodge cares further then just making profit. They could careless about heritage muscle cars or having the quickest meanest cars. They want whatever gets the $$$ including voiding warranty calims (money saved right). My name is Moparmike, do you think they care that I am a loyal follower and that I have had many heated discussion of brand X and my Mopars. I'm not expecting a 4 door Viper, I expecting my car to do what the manufacturer shows. Don't sell me MDS that doesn't perform like they say. Don't show me Chargers going sideways and endlessly smoking the tires we it won't happen. I'm a state trooper and trust me, I hate liars. Mike (without the Mopar) (in reply to Lateral-G) Post #: 30

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