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RE: Road and Track package - 8/10/2006 5:52:36 PM    karleysDAD   Posts: 70 Joined: 8/19/2005 Status: offline Your right. A Charger R/T has only 340hp. A Charger R/T with the add on Road & Track package has 350hp. The add on $$$ is about $2000.00 difference < Message edited by karleysDAD -- 8/10/2006 5:53:52 PM > _____________________________ (in reply to mnboy) Post #: 16

RE: Road and Track package - 8/10/2006 7:24:46 PM    TorRedOrv0436 Posts: 152 Joined: 7/26/2006 Status: offline BUZZMODEL 18" x 7.5" Aluminum Wheels w/Black Painted Accents Air Conditioning with Dual Zone Auto Temp Control Automatic Headlamps Heated Front Seats High-Speed Engine Controller Load Leveling and Height Control P235/55R18 BSW All Season Performance Tires Perf. Seats w/Preferred Suede & Accent Stitching Performance Steering Performance Suspension Power Front Seats Power Front Windows w/One-Touch Up & Down Feature Thats the list off the dodge web for the Road and Track option (in reply to karleysDAD) Post #: 17

RE: Road and Track package - 8/12/2006 7:59:16 PM    islandcharger Posts: 25 Joined: 8/4/2006 Status: offline Sorry for starting all of this, but after doing some research (Calling my local dodge dealership) I was informed that the Charger R/T with the added road and track package does have the additional 10HP. Thats what I will go with, No disrespect to the other saying different, i still value your opinion and thoughts. Thanks again. (in reply to TorRedOrv0436) Post #: 18

RE: Road and Track package - 8/13/2006 1:11:30 PM    kOnO Posts: 76 Joined: 4/18/2006 Status: offline After reading this whole post it sounds like some people are confused about a Charger R/T and a Charger R/T with the ROAD & TRACK package. The Road & Track package is the same as the Daytona except for the Paint & Decals Like I posted before for the official word check out http://www.dodge.com/en/performance/ Stright From DODGE.COM kOnO _____________________________ Top Banana #1199 MORE smiles per mile (in reply to islandcharger) Post #: 19

RE: Road and Track package - 8/13/2006 4:14:52 PM    mnboy   Posts: 714 Joined: 1/27/2006 Status: offline Posting little charts from Dodge is fine, but didn't address the issue. It didn't EXPLAIN reasons for the difference. Charts can be in error. I understand after posters like TorRedOrv and karleysDad were so gracious in explaining their points. After reposting your last remarks, I hope you don't break your arm patting yourself on the back... MN (in reply to kOnO) Post #: 20

RE: Road and Track package - 8/13/2006 4:21:04 PM    TorRedOrv0436 Posts: 152 Joined: 7/26/2006 Status: offline I was looking for the site that explained the extra H/P in the Road and Track and Daytona's and couldn't find it, but i remember it saying the exhaust is less restrictive and the intake is tuned to get the 10 extra H/P. Hope that helped (in reply to mnboy) Post #: 21

RE: Road and Track package - 8/13/2006 7:14:15 PM    dodgetk81   Posts: 31 Joined: 1/29/2006 Status: offline I have the literature from Dodge that states Charger R/T with the optional "Road & Track" package is 350 hp. All R/T's do not have the "Road & Track" package. I can scan it if you like. It does not say what the extra hp comes from. Don _____________________________ 2007 Mega Cab 1997 Wrangler 31" MT/R's and other stuff 2006 Charger Daytona Tor-red 1220-2000 (in reply to TorRedOrv0436) Post #: 22

RE: Road and Track package - 8/13/2006 9:47:09 PM    mnboy   Posts: 714 Joined: 1/27/2006 Status: offline Orv and Don, Thanks for your posts. Thank you, however, I understand after reading explainations on the Road & Track differences and HP comes from the exhuast system, similar to the Daytona. The parts numbers are different from the STANDARD R/T or the Daytona -- the extra does come from a better flowing exhuast like the Daytona's. The Road & Track addition to the R/T must have the Daytona exhaust I am going to assume, and the extra cost is about $2,000 according to karleysDad. I remember a R/T poster stating his suitcase resonator was three chambered, and couldn't see light through it. My Daytona's suitcase you not only can see light, you can see the bulb. Anyway, thank you for your help in this matter. MN (in reply to TorRedOrv0436) Post #: 23

RE: Road and Track package - 3/11/2007 12:35:01 AM    Stroker Posts: 318 Joined: 6/3/2006 Status: offline I think e ery one is in agreance here now but just to add a little this is copied and pasted directly from Dodges built your own Charger web site: Road/Track Performance Group $3,350.00 Includes 350 horsepower 5.7-liter HEMI® V8, 20-inch chrome clad aluminum wheels, performance suspension, and more. 20" x 8" Aluminum Chrome Clad Wheels 245/45VR20 BSW All Season Performance Tires Air Conditioning with Dual Zone Auto Temp Control Anti-Lock 4-Wheel Disc HD Brakes Automatic Headlamps Front Fascia Spoiler Heated Front Seats High-Speed Engine Controller Load Leveling and Height Control Perf. Seats w/Preferred Suede & Accent Stitching Performance Steering Performance Suspension Power Front Seats Power Windows w/Front One-Touch Up and Down Feature "R/T" Badge Rear Body-Color Spoiler My question is just what is added that they are calling Performance Steering and Performance Suspension?  (in reply to mnboy) Post #: 24

RE: Road and Track package - 3/11/2007 2:59:09 PM    srteatr   Posts: 109 Joined: 12/17/2006 Status: offline I do not care what Dodge claims about the R/T - R/T with Road and Track Perf Group and the Daytona, if you dyno them they are all the same at the wheels.  I have dyno charts from mine ant is was 294hp SAE at the wheels and the Daytona in Mopar Muscle was dyno shows exactly the same numbers - they do have slightly larger intake but I do not believe for a moment that the exuast is different at all.  I cant say if the suspension or steering is any different, I have not driven a Daytona personaly. (in reply to Stroker) Post #: 25

RE: Road and Track package - 3/11/2007 3:55:57 PM    TorRedOrv0436 Posts: 152 Joined: 7/26/2006 Status: offline You should know that from Dyno to Dyno you can get different readings. Thats why when comparing cars you should use the same Dyno Close to the same time. (in reply to srteatr) Post #: 26

RE: Road and Track package - 3/11/2007 4:38:49 PM    srteatr   Posts: 109 Joined: 12/17/2006 Status: offline They were performed on a Dynojet and they are SAE corrected which should make up for conditions temperature and altitude.  Mine was 308hp at the wheels and SAE corrected to be 294h at the wheels.  SLP tested a Daytona to be 294hp SAE corrected at the wheels.  I just do not buy the claim of ten more HP.  (in reply to TorRedOrv0436) Post #: 27

RE: Road and Track package - 3/11/2007 6:41:53 PM    Stroker Posts: 318 Joined: 6/3/2006 Status: offline Even when doing the corrections they were not the same machine doing the test. It doesn't matter if they were the same brand or both certified. If the two pulls were not done very close together (IE the same day on the same machine) you can not compare them and expect any accuracy. You can put your car on the dyno do three pulls and you will likely get three different numbers. So if arguing a 10 hp difference, you have no science to back you up. Also there are several ways to calculate an SAE correction so there is no telling if the correction from your pulls and the correction from the Mopar Muscle pulls were calculated the same. Hot Rod Magazine (or maybe it was Circle Track) did a very detailed article about this in the last year or so you might dig through the archives and read it, good info. Plus your forgetting the variable of the claimed power is at the fly wheel not the rear wheels. You comparing figures at the rear wheel which even if the tire/wheel size was the same, gear, trans, tire wear... you would not see a 10HP difference at the wheels, maybe an 8. Then your dyno pulls had a variance of three (or 1.5 in either direction x2 since your comparing two different cars) That brings your numbers from 8 to 5. you still have your calculation difference, and machine difference to figure in there, its easy to see how the two readings came out the same when there is really a 10 HP difference. Oh yea thats not to mention that you can pull a dozen identical cars off the production line take them straight to the dyno and they won't all have identical power. Bottom line is Dodge DOES claim the R/T to be 340HP, and the R/T Road and Track and R/T Daytona to have 340HP. That my friend is a fact! (in reply to srteatr) Post #: 28

RE: Road and Track package - 3/11/2007 8:09:38 PM    74scamp   Posts: 1238 Joined: 1/25/2006 From: Los Lunas, ,NM Status: online quote: ORIGINAL: srteatr I do not care what Dodge claims about the R/T - R/T with Road and Track Perf Group and the Daytona, if you dyno them they are all the same at the wheels.  I have dyno charts from mine ant is was 294hp SAE at the wheels and the Daytona in Mopar Muscle was dyno shows exactly the same numbers - they do have slightly larger intake but I do not believe for a moment that the exuast is different at all.  I cant say if the suspension or steering is any different, I have not driven a Daytona personaly. The exhaust between the R/T and the Daytona IS different, believe it or not, my friend, that is a fact.  They even sound different. dave < Message edited by 74scamp -- 3/11/2007 8:10:50 PM > _____________________________ (in reply to srteatr) Post #: 29

RE: Road and Track package - 3/11/2007 10:04:20 PM    srteatr   Posts: 109 Joined: 12/17/2006 Status: offline I know they claim it, I am just saying that I do not believe it.  I do not even know why they would claim a mere ten more HP.  If it was twenty or thirty, yes go ahead to show that this car is better for performance.  But it does not show in the numbers for 1/4 or in dyno results.  I took two pulls on mine and they very by 3 horse power.  I have the exhaust pulled from a R/T with the Road and Track Per Group and it was supposed to be different sounding what ever, but it sounds exactly the same.  The tips are different and that is why I wanted it, oh and it was only $80!  I am not trying to argue or fight about any of this, I just beleive that it is a claim that Dodge can not backup. I have the March issue of Mopar Muscle and they tested a 06 Charger Daytona and it got 294.1 peak SEA corrected horse power and 327lb torq,  I got 293.9 and about the same for torq, mine actualy shows 358.5 but its at 2000 rpm.  I have them posted under dyno results.  my actual was 308 and 375lbs torq.  As for the exhaust I had them both together before putting it on and they look the same, same size piping and the muffler and rezos all the same.  Sounds no different and performs no different.  I have seen dynos with much lower results?  You guys think this might be using midgrade or reg?  I used to be a big fan of Chevron fuel but my R/T is not!  She perfers Shell or 76 premium only...   What do you guys run?  And why dont others get their car dynoed??  It was just $70 dollers here and I had to know for myself before I do any mods to my car so that I am not just guesing what my car has. LOVE MY CHARGER R/T  no options and mine ways 4100 even... I took it to the scales!!  Most with fully loaded options weight well over 4300!! that Daytona from the article tiped it at 4275lbs!  (in reply to 74scamp) Post #: 30

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