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ECU Limitations - 7/6/2006 4:38:23 PM   
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I went with my son down to Buffalo, MN and had his 2003 ZO6 Corvette tuned by a specialist performance shop -- they put it on the dyno, ran it, looked at the computer, told us we were lean on top, then plugged in their ECU changing program, dyno ran it again, adjusted that, and then a dyno run again. He looks up and says 13 more rear HP, more TQ, and much better overall performance - and it will run cooler too. And it DID. Smoooth and silky and when you HIT IT your head better be on the headrest. For the $400 for the session I was thinking a bit much, but the car was an absolute blast.

My story is here because nowadays ALOT of the performance is in the software. Five years ago, I would have laughed at you, with my big 440 Hurst 4 speed Plymouth GTX, but not now.

I read consistantly the posters here moan and groan about the Superchips not being retained in the ECU, or rev limiter, or shift points too low, or engine revs too low under full throttle, well, I mean, if I had $400 now, I wouldn't buy a Superchips. I have the Jet 2 chip, and I'm sure it's NOT the end all either.

Yes, I am a newbee to this computerized stuff and am old school, but I am mechanical and can/want to understand this stuff.

Are we just too new (infancy) with these cars? Does someone out there REALLY have a stout ECU program? My son now has this electronic fuel map system in his STi so he can go from normal to Godzilla performance with a flip of the switch. But I don't want to spend laptop costs for just a few tenths or a touch more HP.

Just WHO has the best programming out there to get these cars to top performance for our Hemi motor and transmission? Come on. I want 15 more to the rear, more TQ, shift points that red line, rev limiter at 6 grand, and 30 MPG... well, you know what I'm saying here...
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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/6/2006 5:08:27 PM   
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I whole heartedly agree with ya. I'm beginning to wonder if the money I spent on the Flashpaq SuperChip was money well spent - or not. The car just doesn't seem to want to hold the programming very long. I don't mind reprogramming, but - ya know, it would really be nice if they would tell us, when updating the "chip", what exactly it is supposed to do to the timing, fuel delivery, etc.

I'll bet the programming they did on your son's car will stay put, too!

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/6/2006 5:34:17 PM   
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Hey Dave, I know I have read many of your comments about the SuperChip. All this stuff must be just to new. But the engine's been out in a truck for years...


Yes, my son's ECU stayed until we traded it off for his STi and not a lick of trouble. Made that car perfect I thought. In fact, it was a bit scary...





TO BALDYLOXS (post below):

Hi Baldy, Are you one of the few or one of the many that the ECU holds the program? Why do you think so many loose their programming? Glad you don't have trouble. PS -- Did the S/C really give you what you wanted?


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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/7/2006 8:30:48 AM   
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I think the tech. is new on the Charger,the ESP,MDS is probably why we arent seeing anyone else making a tuner for the things yet.I am not haveing any problem at all with it holding the tune .

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/7/2006 12:54:52 PM   
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mnboy/baldyloxs - I don't drive my car that often - it may go two weeks in between times, so that may be part of the problem. And often, when I do drive it, like to work, I just don't have much room on the road to play. Maybe "Hal" starts to take over when I drive it "sanely". I did drive it to work this morning and its seems like its still there.

I know there's some difference between the truck and car engines - at least they say the truck tuner won't work on the car engine.

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/7/2006 2:35:48 PM   
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Sure. After I put the truck program into my car it suddenly wants 4x4 stickers all over it, long CD antennas on the mirrors, blacked out windows with my name across the back, broken loud pipes, a winch, half bald oversized tires, stickers of a kid peeing on other makes, will drop 50% in milage, and want me to wife beater t-shirts and a goofy hat, and wants to go play in the dirt...




HEY, EASY! I AM JUST KIDDING HERE. REALLY!



But, if I got Dodgegirl to ride with me, I just might....




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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/7/2006 8:09:26 PM   
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Lmao hell ya

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/8/2006 10:53:13 AM   
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- You guys are tooooooo much!

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/9/2006 2:38:54 AM   
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quote:

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I whole heartedly agree with ya. I'm beginning to wonder if the money I spent on the Flashpaq SuperChip was money well spent - or not. The car just doesn't seem to want to hold the programming very long. I don't mind reprogramming, but - ya know, it would really be nice if they would tell us, when updating the "chip", what exactly it is supposed to do to the timing, fuel delivery, etc.

I'll bet the programming they did on your son's car will stay put, too!

dave


How can you tell that the programming has changed? Is there a way to view with the SC or is it just a difference in the way it drives?

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/9/2006 8:14:36 AM   
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Hey now guys how did I get pulled into this thread?? I haven't even had an opinion on this one yet...But if you must...ECU Limitations..lets see..No there arent any real programs out there for these yet that REALLY work. Not like tuning on a Ford or a Chevy. Just like going out there and slamming a blower on these bad boys. Doesnt make much sense if they cant properly tune these animals. Yeah superchips and Jet chips are out there but they have their issues. I have been messing with my Superchips program just about everyday. I think "HAL" wants a divorce because I have been asking him to change programs so much. I am just not happy with it banging the rev limiter. Back on subject here...I dont see how stacking both of the programmers will help either. Lack of mechanical experience I guess but I am learning. I talked with the dealership yesterday and the mechanic told me they will be coming out with a program for these cars in the near future..."psst dude dont hook up to the DRB and look at mine right now, just change the oil"......

NOW mnboy...are we going for a drive in your car or your car that thinks its a truck??? I got to know how to dress..

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/11/2006 9:27:28 AM   
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Dodgegirl, you don't know how many responses I've written, and erased, but I appreciate you even acknowledging my comment - you made an old guy like me feel pretty good!




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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/13/2006 1:49:59 PM   
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You guys have helped me out a ton on all of your posts...I still got a few things I wanna do with the banana. Actually here at work I get kidded alot because the Chargers have four doors. A few of these guys out here have race cars and performance shops (I work for a DuPont refinery)..They call my car the "short bus"..Have any of you seen the Jada Big time muscle replica of the top banana's? I'll post the ad where i bought it off ebay if you want to buy one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270001807687

Thanks for all your help guys!!! Especially you MNBOY

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/13/2006 2:25:45 PM   
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Gee, Dodgegirl, it was nothin'...

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/13/2006 6:07:43 PM   
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quote:

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You guys have helped me out a ton on all of your posts...I still got a few things I wanna do with the banana. Actually here at work I get kidded alot because the Chargers have four doors. A few of these guys out here have race cars and performance shops (I work for a DuPont refinery)..They call my car the "short bus"..Have any of you seen the Jada Big time muscle replica of the top banana's? I'll post the ad where i bought it off ebay if you want to buy one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270001807687

Thanks for all your help guys!!! Especially you MNBOY


Hey, now! ALL us old guys need a little soothing now and then . You've helped us all out too, dodgegirl. Don't sell yourself short, Honey. You've found out some gooooood stuff for us all.

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RE: ECU Limitations - 7/23/2006 8:23:40 PM   
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I've been working in the electronics and computer industry for over 30 years. One thing about flash ROM (read only memory) technology is that it can be flashed only a certain number of times before it goes toes up. Things have gotten better over the years but I still hear about people flashing their equipment because it's the latest version and not to fix a problem suddenly finding themselves with a dead machine. A friend of mine who is into the SCCA scene knows of a couple of people who "flashed" their cars to death. The magic number seems to be around 100.

Just a work of caution.

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