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Burnout issues - 6/15/2006 1:37:33 AM
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Top Banana 3605
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I'm just another one of those new guys with a Daytona Top Banana #3605. Additionally, I am new to the Dodge world as well having just traded in my '02 Mustang on this brute. I was excited to see Dodge resurrect the Charger considering most of my best memories in high school was cruising the streets in my best friends '69 Charger. I love the new design! And, in keeping relation with the "Charger Muscle" of the sixties, the bold look and performance "potential" of the new Charger is certainly reminiscent of the glory days. However, I have some issues with Dodge's move to prevent 100% deactivation of the ESP or traction control or whatever it is called! With 350 hp and 390 foot pounds of torque at my right foot beckoning a good stomping, I would at least like to hear more than a "chirp" and a mere afterthough of smoke!
I read the other posts concerning various methods of disengaging traction control (everything worked--chimes, display reading for last chime required--but no 1 foot black marks-- much less an "80 footer") as well as another chap that posted an additional option to purchase a kit to disengage it. Why bring back a muscle car with the kahoona's to ruin a set of tires at will but deny the Hemi the satisfaction of living up to its hallowed name? In my 02 mustang the traction control button actually worked and I could burn as much rubber as I cared. I was extremely dissapointed and embarrased when I showed my buddies how my new Hemi powered Daytona was going to leave an 80 foot black mark...chirp, chirp-no smoke and a lot of laughs. What the "HAIL" DODGE!!! 36 year olds like to play every now and then too!! Maybe if the Charger had two doors instead of four... Maybe the family car connotation caused some freakin non-muscle car enthusiast engineer to...
I like my Daytona but am seriously considering removing any hint of exterior Hemi advertisement. I don't want people to know my 2006 Dodge Charger Daytona R/T Top Banana #3605 is undercarriaged with a Hemi in a short skirt! I think I was missled by the Charger model-line-up brochure at the local Dodge dealer with the centerfold of the Top Banana Daytona doing a serious burnout on what appears to be pavement. Additionally, the SRT8 Charger (with only 75hp more) is shown doing a serious burnout in a video on the Dodge homepage. Maybe it doesn't have traction control--but then again maybe it does and Dodge engineers simply did a 100% disconnect for the video. I'm frustrated but I guess I'll live with it for a time. If the new Challenger actually makes it to the dealer as it currently looks and Dodge engineers decide to let it be a 100% muscle car, the short skirt Daytona may just find a new home in the used car lot!
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RE: Burnout issues - 6/15/2006 3:17:28 AM
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blackieLV
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HI, TB #3034 here and I've had mine for 2 1/2 weeks now. There are a few things that I have picked up that may help you out in regards to burnouts, that muscle jump you are seeking, and the performance in the HEMI. Remember, although annoying, Dodge has to set the Charger to specific guidelines for EPA reasons as well as to qualify for governmental and safety standards/benefits.
#1. (this one is cut and pasted from another forum)
Here's the steps you need to follow:
Find an unused section of road with a good spot to pull-off/turn-around. (make sure it's deserted or you could end up adding a ticket to the time/gas costs of trying this trick!)
Pull off of the road and shut your car off.
Turn your key to the "On" position (but don't start the car), and wait for the 'idiot' lights to go out.
Press down on the accelerator, and let it back up.
Turn your car off.
Re-start your car and cruise up and down the road testing your throttle responsiveness.
Depending on how fast/slow you do the 4th step, your throttle will either become more or less sensitive/responsive.
Repeat steps #1 through #5 as needed until you're satisfied that your throttle response is as good as it's going to get.
If you are still unsatisfied with your car, and you have more than a couple of thousand miles on it (these cars supposedly get faster as the engine "breaks-in"), then you may need to have a qualified mechanic (either at a dealership or elsewhere) take a look at it.
If you can't find a mechanic that can fix your car's problem, you may have to resign yourself to either waiting for some aftermarket go-fast goodies to come out, or trade your LX/Hemi in on something a bit sportier.
I found this to make a noticeble difference as well as many others, but some have said they didn't see an effect.
2) I have installed a K&N aircharger (200.00) and that seems to help the response and I have seen the effects of the Flashpaq Superchip as you can reset the "HAL" brain to change shift points and limits etc..... This can add 25 - 30 Hp and definitely shows the biggest performance boost without having to cut/screw/open the hood or install anything. It simply plugs under the steering wheel and you answer a bunch of yes/no ques. You don't even have to know anything about cars to use it. I have just ordered one and hope to get it by Monday/Tuesday (385.00)
Finally, 3) Drive your car around for 6 - 10 days. The "HAL" center will tweak itself to your style of driving and will optimize itself to your driving. It does take some miles, but you will see some gains there in response and mileage.
I know that with the horsepower and the technology in these cars, it's a bit frustrating to have to buy aftermarket parts to use these beasts as god intended. To have to shell out 500 - 600 bucks to truly unleash the potential is offset as I think that the price of the car is quite low compared to what you get (comparatively) and the dollar per HP is well worth it. I understand your frustration but I suggest the Flashpaq to reprogram the HAL will give you what you are looking for.
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RE: Burnout issues - 6/15/2006 8:37:55 AM
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Lateral-G
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I was coming out of a parking lot the other day and disabled the ESP by just pushing the button on the dash and nailed it. The back end broke loose and I laid a real good patch of rubber on the pavement. There's some serious torque available by just using the standard ESP disable. I was having to really steer to avoid going sideways. The effects you see in the brochure are just that, effects. They most likely used the old trick of pouring some bleach under the tires then lighting them up with the brakes applied. You might also try using the autostick feature in leiu of a Superchips tuner. I've found that by manually shifting you can get better performance than by using the factory programmed shift points. I do know that on my TB daytona I can and do burnouts, squeal the tires and leave good sized patches or rubber by simply pushing the ESP off.
I also know the 5.7 hemis will get more power after a few thousand miles of break-in. I noticed this on my magnum R/T. It seems counter-intuitive to expect more power as the mileage increases but it's true. The LX Hemi's also "learn and adapt" to your driving style. If you drive it aggressively all the time then it adapts to that style. I have read that pulling fuse no. 17 for a few seconds causes the memory to "unlearn". You may want to try that after your break-in period and then drive the sh*t out of the car and get it used to the aggressive style.
As for debadging that's up to you, but anyone that knows anything about Chargers will know right away that if you have a TB color (with the daytona graphics) will know you'll have a hemi under the hood. It seems that debadging is superfluous.
just my observations....
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RE: Burnout issues - 6/15/2006 11:00:25 AM
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baldyloxs
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Also remembr the 18" monster wheels and the auto tranny also 4300 lbs of fattty there to .take a look here I just stomped it
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c272/baldyloxs/Picture046.jpg
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RE: Burnout issues - 6/15/2006 2:40:25 PM
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baldyloxs
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You are right Dave!!! I live I North Manchester In .Its a really small town I really cant telll you the population,but the pick was taken about 2 miles from our home.
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RE: Burnout issues - 6/15/2006 3:21:31 PM
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phatboydb
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Excuse my ignorance.. but what does holding it in mean? Are you talking about holding in the ESP button? How does that help? Not being funny.. but this is the first i've heard of it.
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RE: Burnout issues - 6/15/2006 10:56:40 PM
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blackieLV
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Phatboyd, when you first start your car and the dashboard "idiot" lights are on, if you press and hold the esp button for 5 - 8 seconds, you will hear a chime go off. Apparently, this will shut down a higher percentage of when the ESP is used, as even when you turn it off normally, it is still engaged 35 - 40% of the time due to safety and emissions factors. I have found a slight improvement in disabling the ESP, but as of yet, you can not disble it completely. There are superchips and tuners that can adjust even further, but I haven't heard of anything for 100% yet.
2006 Daytona TB #3034
Flowmaster's w/out cans (dealer installed)
K&N CAI Aircharger
Reversed trunk spacer (dealer installed)
Flashpaq Superchip should be delivered by Monday !
Next: 180 therm. Fan mod and JEt Chiip StageII
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RE: Burnout issues - 6/16/2006 12:57:15 AM
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baldyloxs
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you arent gonna just smoke em with a stock 350hp car at the flywheel.You are prob. gonna need about 400+ at the wheel to smoke them, the ESP is good for about 70% TC off.I am guessing you are gonna have to mod the hell out of it to smoke the tires and impress your friends.Did you ever think of taking it out by yourself and trying to do a burnout before telling your buddies watch this?Dont take this wrong I just telling you my thoughts,cause I am impressed by my BIG CAR.
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RE: Burnout issues - 6/16/2006 9:34:06 PM
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blackieLV
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Baldyloxs, I seem to be able to put down some serious rubber w/out any major mods on my Daytona. I haven't even recieved my Superchip yet. I do have to use the quick shift to get a good one going, or if I want to really leave a 30 - 40 second burn and then a 50 foot rubber trail I start with my foot on the brake and then press on the gas. Immediately you will get there rear spinning and wait 3 -4 seconds for the smoke to start! Once you have the rear spinning, you can let the brake release and if you have enough rpm, the car will sit and spin or you can get a 40 ft crawler if you sjift just right. Of course, the ESP button is turned off, although it's not completely disengaged.
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