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RE: 92 stalling and rough idle - 8/16/2006 8:21:18 PM    gb6491 Posts: 98 Joined: 1/6/2006 Status: offline well done! Regards, Greg (in reply to bionic4.0) Post #: 46

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle - 8/27/2006 8:16:35 PM    dodgerules86 Posts: 2710 Joined: 12/25/2003 From: Sycamore, Illinois (displaced to Arkansas) Status: offline Erock, your truck still running good? _____________________________ Current ride: Belleville 220 DES ST - leather, reinforced front end, tan color. Runs on ''alternative fuel'' :) 1996 Dodge Dakota 1986 Honda Civic CRX (in reply to erock92kota) Post #: 47

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle - 8/27/2006 9:12:42 PM    erock92kota Posts: 200 Joined: 5/20/2006 Status: offline Yeppers She runs like a champ. Two weeks and no problems. Hope I didnt just jinx it. Well I did have one little issue the other day. But I know now that I need to get to a boneyard and get a new plug for the tps in my harness. But other then that its been all good. I just finished up a sound system in it today. A pioneer head unit I had bought about a year ago, A set of Boston Acoustics componets in the front and 4x6 boston plates in the rear, a pioneer 6 disc cd changer, an 8" boston sub, and a 400 watt crossfire amp I had stored away in the garage. It still needs some tweeking but overall it sounds pretty good and should fulfill my audiophile side for now on those trips to and from work and wherever I may drive in it. It was a chore hiding everything and making certain things look as though they came in the truck, but for the most part I pulled it off beautifully. Now I am planning on attacking a few body related ailments, a hole in a rocker panel, making some big driving lights look like they came from the factory in the front valance, and getting the last few stickers the previous owner put on it. How bout you, ya get that a/c working yet? _____________________________ My wife says my truck reminds her of the Black Pearl. It's black, cursed, and sometimes an eerie fog follows it. Nice......... (in reply to dodgerules86) Post #: 48

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle - 8/27/2006 9:28:23 PM    dodgerules86 Posts: 2710 Joined: 12/25/2003 From: Sycamore, Illinois (displaced to Arkansas) Status: offline Sound system sure sounds nice. Wish I knew something about them... My A/C is still dead , I've been pretty busy lately with some training and work, so tommorow I'm gonna look into getting that fixed (I'll talk to some people down here, and contact his insurance company because I'm sure it was killed because of the accident, the timing is just too weird for it not to be). Other than that, replaced my starter, and she's running great. _____________________________ Current ride: Belleville 220 DES ST - leather, reinforced front end, tan color. Runs on ''alternative fuel'' :) 1996 Dodge Dakota 1986 Honda Civic CRX (in reply to erock92kota) Post #: 49

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle - 8/27/2006 9:41:59 PM    erock92kota Posts: 200 Joined: 5/20/2006 Status: offline Good to hear its runnin. I would look into the a/c thing. I had a 92 cherokee, I rear ended some lady in rush hour traffic who didnt have any brake lights. Her insurance company wrote me a check to get all the body work done and a new radiator and all that stuff. But the thing I swear never worked right afterwards. In your case, if the condenser in front of the radiator took on some damage, it may have leaked out the freon and rendered your a/c useless. There is oil in the a/c system that serves as a lubricant for the pump. It normally runs through out the whole a/c system. If that leaked out.......smoked compressor indeed. So there is relevance to your case here since you did take on some front end damage and the condenser is right there. Your nose getting tweaked could have very well caused some issues with your a/c. Also with your truck being a 96, after awhile solder joints do get weaker, tubing sort of deteriorates. A jolt like that could have knocked a tube off or snapped something in the a/c system here towards the front of the truck. Fortunately for you, I have a associates degree in h.v.a.c. I know these things. Just when I thought that degree would never come in handy other then not having to call a furnace guy in the middle of the night. I worked in the field for a year or so, I hated it. Hope this helps, but other wise good to hear your truck is working. Its always a good thing. Stereos arent that hard to figure out. I installed them professionally for a while. But theres not much of a market for it here so the place I worked closed up and since I am sort of rooted here now with a wife and a kid and a mortgage. Moving to find work in that area really isnt an option at this time. < Message edited by erock92kota -- 8/27/2006 9:56:05 PM > _____________________________ My wife says my truck reminds her of the Black Pearl. It's black, cursed, and sometimes an eerie fog follows it. Nice......... (in reply to dodgerules86) Post #: 50

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle - 8/27/2006 9:53:58 PM    dodgerules86 Posts: 2710 Joined: 12/25/2003 From: Sycamore, Illinois (displaced to Arkansas) Status: offline They checked the refrigerant pressure (and, upon recieving the truck back and bringing it home, verified) and said it was OK. After the accident and all, even with the A/C turned "off" I could hear the clutch trying to engage sometimes (I'm assuming something up there is out-of-wack). I simply disconnected the connecter to the clutch, and it made the sound a few more times, and stopped. I also remembered they did not (at least appear to) do a front end alignment, which, I would think would be standard procedure on a front-end accident. So there are 2 things for me to bring up. I've helped my friends replace head-units. The things that get me are amp's and some of the ratings and such. Oh well, I haven't actually touched and amp or helped put on in, and, I only learn good hands-on. < Message edited by dodgerules86 -- 8/27/2006 9:55:16 PM > _____________________________ Current ride: Belleville 220 DES ST - leather, reinforced front end, tan color. Runs on ''alternative fuel'' :) 1996 Dodge Dakota 1986 Honda Civic CRX (in reply to erock92kota) Post #: 51

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle - 8/28/2006 6:19:21 AM    erock92kota Posts: 200 Joined: 5/20/2006 Status: offline I cant believe they didnt even check the alignment. I think in your case I would of got another shops opinion. I'm not gonna say it but it would appear to me they were trying to keep some money on this one. I would at least be skeptical about it. If I were in your shoes I would find it really odd that the a/c quit working roughly the same time as the accident. I would definitly push that issue. Welp I must be off to work now. Hope you can get this one straightened out. _____________________________ My wife says my truck reminds her of the Black Pearl. It's black, cursed, and sometimes an eerie fog follows it. Nice......... (in reply to dodgerules86) Post #: 52

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle HELP! - 9/28/2006 10:24:21 AM    jim16050   Posts: 4 Joined: 9/27/2006 Status: offline have you tried a compression test ? (in reply to dodgerules86) Post #: 53

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle HELP! - 9/28/2006 2:16:31 PM    dodgerules86 Posts: 2710 Joined: 12/25/2003 From: Sycamore, Illinois (displaced to Arkansas) Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: jim16050 have you tried a compression test ? Whatcha talkin about exactly? _____________________________ Current ride: Belleville 220 DES ST - leather, reinforced front end, tan color. Runs on ''alternative fuel'' :) 1996 Dodge Dakota 1986 Honda Civic CRX (in reply to jim16050) Post #: 54

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle HELP! - 9/28/2006 6:19:48 PM    erock92kota Posts: 200 Joined: 5/20/2006 Status: offline Yeah, a compression test was done. The truck has been running fine for quite some time now though. _____________________________ My wife says my truck reminds her of the Black Pearl. It's black, cursed, and sometimes an eerie fog follows it. Nice......... (in reply to dodgerules86) Post #: 55

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle HELP! - 1/20/2007 4:04:18 PM    granpa49   Posts: 29 Joined: 1/20/2007 Status: offline My 92 D150 3.9L is doing much the same thing, however it does still run and is drivable.  It backfires under load.  This is with new plugs, cap, rotor, wires, timing chain and sprockets.  It seems to me that the throttle sensor was the breakthrough for your problem.  You then discovered a bad cap, but would you agree that the throttle sensor was the keystone to correcting your truck?  I think I will try that next.  I have also thought of replacing the crankshaft sensor because the timing mark jumps at idle speeds.  I hate to think that I might be on the verge of taking the same trip you have been on just trying to get this thing fixed.  Your posts may save me a lot of frustration.  I certainly hope so! (in reply to erock92kota) Post #: 56

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle HELP! - 1/20/2007 9:41:16 PM    erock92kota Posts: 200 Joined: 5/20/2006 Status: offline Is the check engine light on or does it come on at all during any of this? Did you try the rolling the key trick to get codes out of the computer? I would check for vacuum leaks and look into your egr system. The egr valve may be stuck open. The computer controls the timing and uses inputs from various sensor to set it. It will appear to fluctuate a bit when idling. As long as you set the timing marks on the chain when you put it on correctly, and you didnt remove or turn the distributor...I would't worry about the timing. I think part of my problem was the throttle sensor, but I know that it wasnt the whole problem. The main problem was a defective dist. cap that was recently replaced. Also my timing chain was way stretched out. I would read up on how to check sensors, perform tests on them and then replcae them as needed. My tps did have a dead spot in it. A dead spot in the tps would result in a dead spot in the throttle so it looses power at a certain position.  I also had a bad connector in my harness that wasn't helping things either. I eventually replaced every sensor as well as the computer and learned alot during this whole ordeal. Of course my truck has over 200,000 miles on it so not everything was working as it should, but I strongly feel that if I would of just re-replaced the cap it would of ran. One thing that really did help me out alot was referencing this page....www.allpar.com There is alot of useful info for the do it yourselfer like you or I. Trouble codes, how to obtain them, and alot of if this is happening try that. I hope this helps, Eric P.s.......the truck is still running beautifully. I haven't done a single thing to it since this except put about 4,500 miles on it and change the oil. _____________________________ My wife says my truck reminds her of the Black Pearl. It's black, cursed, and sometimes an eerie fog follows it. Nice......... (in reply to granpa49) Post #: 57

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle HELP! - 1/20/2007 10:30:32 PM    BOOMER_87 Posts: 177 Joined: 10/8/2006 Status: offline did you get the pcm for the new engine?it may not be compatible in some way with the old pcm...I hate electrical crap! _____________________________ Boomers truck..87 dakota bone stock 3.9 automatic long bed the only mod is chrome wheels more mods will follow!!!!!!!!!!! (in reply to dodgerules86) Post #: 58

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle HELP! - 1/21/2007 6:48:36 AM    erock92kota Posts: 200 Joined: 5/20/2006 Status: offline Ummm yeah. The truck has been running great.......... For awhile now.  _____________________________ My wife says my truck reminds her of the Black Pearl. It's black, cursed, and sometimes an eerie fog follows it. Nice......... (in reply to BOOMER_87) Post #: 59

RE: 92 stalling and rough idle HELP! - 1/21/2007 7:43:57 PM    granpa49   Posts: 29 Joined: 1/20/2007 Status: offline Nutshell history:  Bought truck 1 year ago w/100k miles.  Ran great.  Six months later muffler leak had gotten much worse and it began rough running.  Replaced muffler, tailpipe and catalytic converter.  Replaced sparkplugs, wires, cap & rotor.  Noticed timing fluctuations.  Error codes were #22 & #45.  Replaced temperature sensor (parts books give wrong p.n.-use the one listed for the 318), at a complete lost as to what to do about #45 - truck has 3 spd trans, error #45 is overdrive solenoid. Compression check shows 140-160 psi on all six cylinders.  Timing chain had massive amount of slack.  Replaced it.  Checked new spark plugs and they were fouled and wet with gas.  Found vacuum leak on pass. side of intake and fixed it.  Ran great for about ten minutes, then started backfiring.  Read that fuel injector o-rings could be cause.  Replaced them.  Ran good for a short while.  Now it is back to running rough and backfiring again.  Seems that everything I do improves it for a little while, or at least until the next time it reaches operating temperature.  Sat, when I posted, I called all five of the auto parts stores in town (think green acres here)  and came up emptyhanded for the throttle position sensor, so I will try again Monday.  I am somewhat curious as to why the oxygen sensor isn't going crazy with all of the raw gas on the spark plugs.  The motor is doing what I would call fluttering when you give it the gas, like it is faulting in some way on all six cylinders, much too fast to be a miss on one cylinder.  This is in addition to the backfiring when under load. (in reply to erock92kota) Post #: 60

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