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updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 4/19/2006 11:44:04 AM    HankL   Posts: 2719 Joined: 8/20/2005 Status: offline Removed May of 2008 as hits per month fell to zero. Enjoy your truck and enjoy increasing your knowledge of it. So long. < Message edited by HankL -- 5/22/2008 4:09:23 AM > Post #: 1

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 7/24/2006 12:43:46 PM    HankL   Posts: 2719 Joined: 8/20/2005 Status: offline obsolete post < Message edited by HankL -- 5/22/2008 4:10:19 AM > (in reply to HankL) Post #: 2

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 7/24/2006 8:39:37 PM    raidermike67   Posts: 346 Joined: 6/20/2006 Status: offline This was an excellent read. What I got from this article was that if someone spent a lot of money and did all these mod's they might realize a small increase in performance and MPG but probably not enough to off set the cost involved. _____________________________ 2006 Dodge Ram 1500 Bighorn Edition Crystal Pearl Red, 5.7 Hemi, 17" chrome wheels, Wildcat M&S,Sirius, Nerf Bars, Line-X bedliner, chrome gas cover. 2006 Saturn Ion2 2004 DS650X Baja from Bombardier<atv> 2006 Outlander 800 V-twin EFI 4WD < (in reply to HankL) Post #: 3

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 11/16/2006 6:19:11 AM    HankL   Posts: 2719 Joined: 8/20/2005 Status: offline btt (in reply to raidermike67) Post #: 4

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 11/17/2006 7:33:03 PM    steve05ram360 Posts: 11410 Joined: 1/22/2004 From: Elk Grove, CA Status: offline this should help hank... (pin it to the top) _____________________________ http://www.dodgeforum.com/m_1037052/tm.htm http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/sdoherma/ (in reply to HankL) Post #: 5

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 1/4/2007 9:44:37 PM    archer000001   Posts: 1 Joined: 12/23/2006 Status: offline Hank -- Where did you find 5-bolt rims to mount the 235/85Rx16 tires? Usually they are mounted on 16x6.5 or 16x7.0 rims with 8 bolts. I'd like to try this if I can find the right rims. Thanks! (in reply to steve05ram360) Post #: 6

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 4/3/2007 12:38:25 PM    Silver Eagle   Posts: 680 Joined: 12/20/2004 From: New Castle Delaware Status: offline So the bottom line is, Park your truck and get a Bicycle if you want better miles per gallon.  What ever happened to the old Chevette. I had one that got 40 mpg Hiway. _____________________________ We love cruisin in our PT and our boat. (in reply to archer000001) Post #: 7

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 8/3/2007 4:55:13 AM    bbt   Posts: 2 Joined: 8/3/2007 Status: offline i need to replace a v10 engine in a 97 dodge ram 3500 dually 4x4. any ideas which engines will fit or where i can find a place that has a list or a way to figure this out. also, i know the wiring harness will need to be changed but also need ideas / sources on that. also have anny of you done this and if so what was your cost. i think it will be worth it but just need to sort out the details. thanks (in reply to HankL) Post #: 8

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 9/7/2007 9:35:57 PM    Caisson06 Posts: 11 Joined: 9/7/2007 Status: offline Whether it got me better fuel economy is debatable, but my old gasser, I put Gibson Headers (designed for towing, not racing, they say) on my 318, and it definitely helped getting up the hills.  Before, the truck would downshift on the long grades, sometimes 3-4 times.  After, it only downshifted once on the longest grade.  Dont' overkill on the exhaust.  I put the performance cat and dual Gibson exhaust on later, and lost about 1/2 of my gain from the headers. _____________________________ 2005 CTD 2500 QC SB G56 answers to "beast." ------------------------ "I do what the Smarty tells me to do." (in reply to bbt) Post #: 9

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 9/12/2007 3:40:13 PM    HemiDen   Posts: 50 Joined: 8/18/2007 Status: offline I certainly see the difference between the diesel and gas. But for 95% of my driving, I prefer the Hemi over the Powerstroke. I am easy on the accelerator, so that part is on my favor. I also get gas rebates with each fillup and that helps too. But I have a bunch of stock in XOM and SUN, so I am supporting my own dividends I suppose. At least I, tell myself that and it makes me feel better at the pump! LOL!  _____________________________ -Dennis (His) '07 Ram 2500 Hemi Thunderoad 4x4 - Inferno Red http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/FenderDen/060.jpg (Hers) '07 Durango Hemi SLT 4x4 - Inferno Red (in reply to Caisson06) Post #: 10

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 9/13/2007 5:15:14 AM    HankL   Posts: 2719 Joined: 8/20/2005 Status: offline Making mods to improve fuel economy on your pickup then investing the savings in the stock of refinery companies (Valero, etc) is one way to get two bites of the apple. Finding ways to raise the cylinder compression ratio, lower the body aero drag, and improve the rolling resistance of the tires are especially interesting... because they improve both acceleration and fuel economy at the same time. It is sad to see suckers throw away $300 million or more each year on cold air intakes when that money could have been spent on real improvements. (in reply to HemiDen) Post #: 11

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 9/13/2007 5:43:36 AM    steve05ram360 Posts: 11410 Joined: 1/22/2004 From: Elk Grove, CA Status: offline CAI's work if they are setup properly. _____________________________ http://www.dodgeforum.com/m_1037052/tm.htm http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/sdoherma/ (in reply to HankL) Post #: 12

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 9/17/2007 8:56:07 AM    Caisson06 Posts: 11 Joined: 9/7/2007 Status: offline It just depends on the truck.  I simply installed a K&N stock type (donut style) filter in my 92 Dakota 3.9 L V6 2WD and saw an instant 3 MPG increase.  Put a Gen II FIPK on my 99 Ram 4x4, no noticeable difference.  Put a set of Gibson Headers, Hi Flow Cat and a Dual Exhaust, still no change.  Just pushing too much air compared to the Dakota 2WD.  I'm not putting that type of filter on my $5000 Cummins.  It's got an Amsoil Ea nanofiber filter in the stock airbox.  Stock airboxes on 2003 and later are good enough.  Only things needed are to replace the tube from the box in with a smooth tube, vice the accordion pipe. I'm currently testing a blocked off grille.  I taped up my 05's grille with black duct tape, and it actually looks pretty decent.  I'm running empty, so it's not going to overheat. < Message edited by Caisson06 -- 9/17/2007 9:02:38 AM > _____________________________ 2005 CTD 2500 QC SB G56 answers to "beast." ------------------------ "I do what the Smarty tells me to do." (in reply to steve05ram360) Post #: 13

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 9/17/2007 9:20:30 AM    steve05ram360 Posts: 11410 Joined: 1/22/2004 From: Elk Grove, CA Status: offline I saw similar results on my '00 ram 4x4 QC with the same mods you mentioned... I did however tweek the exhaust some and brought back some lost mpg with the exhaust change.  I eventually went from consistant mid 12's to the upper 13's.  I peaked at 15.8 mpg on a long trip.... man I was so excited, you'da thought I won the lottery. _____________________________ http://www.dodgeforum.com/m_1037052/tm.htm http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/sdoherma/ (in reply to Caisson06) Post #: 14

RE: updated FAQ on Ram MPG improvement (long) - 9/18/2007 4:20:43 AM    HankL   Posts: 2719 Joined: 8/20/2005 Status: offline Some people thought it was a joke, but in the past here on Dodgeforum I have offered to put up $30,000 in the hands of a third party against anyone who would also put up $30,000 cash with a 3rd party as a bet that a CAI would not change MPG in a careful test run by a third party. I was serious and would still do this. The IRS would not consider this a 'gamble' but a game of skill. The best test for MPG that anyone has devised so far is the SAE/TMC Type IV test that can measure down to a 2% difference. The $30,000 bet would be that tests of two vehicles would show less than a 2% difference when a CAI was first fitted to one vehicle then a 2nd identical test run when the CAI was swapped to the other vehicle. Good companies are now using the SAE/TMC mpg test to 'prove' that their product works: ---- The right way to do it Goodyear goes by the book with Fuel Max test When Goodyear introduced its new Unisteel tires with Fuel Max technology last year, and claimed that they were more fuel-efficient than its older designs, the company invited the press to come to its San Angelo Proving Grounds in Texas and observe an SAE/TMC Type II fuel consumption test, pitting old against new. In this case, two identical tractor-trailers — a control rig and a test rig with the same powertrain, mileage, horsepower, GCW, tires, pressure, etc. — were fitted with removable, portable fuel tanks, which were weighed before and after identical runs of at least 28 miles at the exact same highway speed. Fuel consumption was measured by tank weight, and the two rigs were compared as a baseline. Three runs, which must produce results within 2 percent of each other, were made. In this case, the two rigs’ fuel consumption figures were consistently within 1 percent of each other. Next, the test was repeated, with the control rig unchanged, and the test truck fitted with the component to be tested — in this case, the new tires. Over the course of three runs, with results within 2 percent of each other, the test truck had consumed about 7.5 percent less fuel per run. Claim made, point proved, case closed. ------ also Lubrizol, the maker of Chrysler ATF+4 does similar tests: http://web.archive.org/web/20051105055119/http://www.lubrizol.com/DieselTrends/Trends9/new_lubes.asp and Walmart would not buy these aero devices for its fleet of trucks until a SAE/TMC mpg test was completed: http://www.freightwing.com/sae%20results.htm So if you believe that CAI's improve MPG why don't collect this 'easy' $30,000 ? But to keep down hard feelings ya ought to try the test in advance a few times to make sure you are not throwing your money away because some might say I am 'trolling for suckers' too. Why don't you see KN, Airaid, Volant, etc have in their ads that they have done a SAE/TMC Type IV test and proved that their product improves mpg like Goodyear did? (in reply to steve05ram360) Post #: 15

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