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RE: Hemi fighter hurricane?? - 4/6/2006 10:46:26 PM
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Nice one quote:
http://www.break.com/movies/patiencechild.html
But I still love Ford, if the 5.4 get more then 330hp it going to be a seriouse ooponent to the Hemi Ram .. I THINK
But ford are too gay to put a lot of money in big V8 for their cars/truck
Dodge put a V8 in anything, 300C,magnum,charger,ram,dakota and ...
Ford put a V8 in like 2 vehiculs, F-series and Mustang
They are the compagny for poor people .. when I saw poor I mean economic car
Ah well it would be nice to see a F-150 with 330hp, going to be fun for the Hemi owners who want to have some fun with their truck
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RE: Hemi fighter hurricane?? - 4/6/2006 11:13:33 PM
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Ford could put a 345 hp engine in the F150 and it would still be slower than a Hemi Ram. Why? Because the F150 is HEAVY! Weight kills speed.
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RE: Hemi fighter hurricane?? - 4/17/2006 12:05:50 AM
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sandiegohemi
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Ford could put a 345 hp engine in the F150 and it would still be slower than a Hemi Ram. Why? Because the F150 is HEAVY! Weight kills speed.
Weight does kill speed, but the F-150 isn't much heavier than the Ram. Barely 200 lbs heavier. What dogs the Ford out is that lackluster 4 speed automatic.
The 5 speed in the Ram isn't much better, needs better ratios to work with MDS to improve mileage. Chrylser should step out of the box and flatten them all: 5.7L standard, 6.1 optional, 6 speed automatic with gated floor shifter with the ability to hold a gear via autostick. Options should include rear parking assist, trailer tow package with integrated trailer brake controller and a trans temp gauge....how annoying especially if you want to see everything going on by the time the idiot light comes on it's too late. Fit and finish should be first rate, if suppliers aren't meeting expectations then dump em.
Honestly, Toyota and GM seem to be the ones to look out for. They've got the oldest platforms out currently and you damn well know that the ones in the works are going to be class leading. Toyota expecially for mileage and quality.
Yeah, I would agree the 4 speed in the F150 holds it back. But it is also the design of the engine. It hits 90% of its torque before 2000 rpm's, so once you get past that - its gutless. I know, I had a 2004 F150 5.4 and off the line it was good, but bogged down after that.
I would love to see all the things you mentioned in the next Ram. And if Dodge does them all, expect the price to jump considerably. Any manufacturer - Toyota, Dodge, GM, Ford, doesn't matter, can cram all they want into a truck. The question is, will people perceive it as valuable? Would I pay $40,000 for a Hemi Ram with all the things you mentioned? Nope. The vast majority of people wouldn't. So what the manufacturers do is compromise and add some things and delete others to keep the pricing reasonable. The hard part is for them to match the things we want, in a truck that is somewhat affordable.
Personally, I don't worry about Toyota. Quality and mileage aside, the new Tundra is hideous, and looks play a part in how well something sells. Plus, Toyota established itself in the truck market as a niche product - i.e. something that was bigger than a midsive, had a V8, but still got good mileage. Their new Tundra, with the 5.7 goes against their previous success. GM is the bigger worry - with their new truck platform, higher output engines, and brand loyalty. GM is hanging their hopes - and future - on the success of the new Tahoes and 2007 Silverados. Their quality may suck, but I'd bet their new trucks can out tow and accelerate a current Hemi Ram. Not because their engineering is better, but because they've had 4 years to develop something to beat Dodge. It's just one big cycle. Dodge will improve their trucks, Ford will follow suit, and one of the imports will attempt to top all of them.
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RE: Hemi fighter hurricane?? - 4/24/2006 6:34:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: sandiegohemi
Ford could put a 345 hp engine in the F150 and it would still be slower than a Hemi Ram. Why? Because the F150 is HEAVY! Weight kills speed.
Weight does kill speed, but the F-150 isn't much heavier than the Ram. Barely 200 lbs heavier. What dogs the Ford out is that lackluster 4 speed automatic.
The 5 speed in the Ram isn't much better, needs better ratios to work with MDS to improve mileage. Chrylser should step out of the box and flatten them all: 5.7L standard, 6.1 optional, 6 speed automatic with gated floor shifter with the ability to hold a gear via autostick. Options should include rear parking assist, trailer tow package with integrated trailer brake controller and a trans temp gauge....how annoying especially if you want to see everything going on by the time the idiot light comes on it's too late. Fit and finish should be first rate, if suppliers aren't meeting expectations then dump em.
Honestly, Toyota and GM seem to be the ones to look out for. They've got the oldest platforms out currently and you damn well know that the ones in the works are going to be class leading. Toyota expecially for mileage and quality.
I agree the Ford gear box needs to be replaced badly. The 545RFE was a huge improvement over the old 46RE, but it needs work. They wasted an extra gear ratio on having a second, second gear ratio (yeah we really need a 1.67 for upshifts, and 1.50 for downshifts, or is it vice versa). The ratios are for the 545RFE in comparison to the Mercedes A580
545RFE
1st 3.00
2nd 1.67 up/ 1.50
3rd 1.00
4th .75
5th .67
Mercedes A580
1st 3.59
2nd 2.19
3rd 1.41
4th 1.00
5th .83
Notice how the ratio have such huge jumps in the 545RFE between the 3.00 and 1.67, this cuts out on acceleration potiental. The Mercedes tranny has starts off shorter and raises gradually. The ratios they have chosen would be good except they need a taller overdrive. If they modify the 545RFE to have similar ratios to the Mercedes A580 and add the .67 or a taller ratio as a sixth gear. They would have one excellent transmission.
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RE: Hemi fighter hurricane?? - 4/24/2006 6:39:42 PM
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As for the Hurricane, it will probably be just a bored out Triton. It will guzzle gas big time. They will need to offer Dual-VVT if they want to at least keep up. I remember when the '04 model F150 came out, they stole Dodge's commerical and claimed they had a faster engine. They will say that over and over again with each engine and it always turns out to be a slow engine. They don't need a powerful engine, they need a fast engine. They already have the most powerful gas engine last time I checked (the 6.8L V10).
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RE: Hemi fighter hurricane?? - 4/24/2006 9:50:14 PM
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As for the Hurricane, it will probably be just a bored out Triton. It will guzzle gas big time. They will need to offer Dual-VVT if they want to at least keep up. I remember when the '04 model F150 came out, they stole Dodge's commerical and claimed they had a faster engine. They will say that over and over again with each engine and it always turns out to be a slow engine. They don't need a powerful engine, they need a fast engine. They already have the most powerful gas engine last time I checked (the 6.8L V10).
their v-10 is more powerful then the old dodge 8.0L v-10? (not counting the viper since it is a sport car engine)
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RE: Hemi fighter hurricane?? - 4/24/2006 10:01:54 PM
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Well horsepower wise, yes. The Dodge 8.0 V-10 only made 310hp. They are about even on horsepower.
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RE: Hemi fighter hurricane?? - 4/25/2006 8:49:50 AM
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Well horsepower wise, yes. The Dodge 8.0 V-10 only made 310hp. They are about even on horsepower.
ah, well, instead of a an engine that hasn't been used in 4 years (or so), the viper v10 destorys theirs :)
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RE: Hemi fighter hurricane?? - 4/25/2006 6:00:15 PM
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Well horsepower wise, yes. The Dodge 8.0 V-10 only made 310hp. They are about even on horsepower.
Actually the Ram V10 hp & torque dropped to 305hp & 440ft-lbs of tq in '03 because the only model they built was the model they sold in CA. Before that it did produce 310hp. The current 6.8L V10 produces 362hp & 457 ft-lbs of tq, it is able to produce thanks because it has 3 valves per cylinders instead of 2 like the Magnum V10 had. I could be mistaken, but I believe the 6.8L V10 it has VVT which also helps a little. The current 6.8L has a 9.2 to 1 compression ratio in comparison to the 8.0L had around a 8.4-8.6 to 1, this contributes to it as well. I have never driven either one before, but I can tell you by the way the 6.8L 2 valve version felt while being a passenger to a 1994 8.0L V10, the 8.0L throws you back in the seat and feels very powerful, whereas the 6.8L V10 doesn't. The 8.0L V10 feels like it is underrated. The torque peak for the 8.0L was 2800 rpms and the hp was 4000 rpms, in comparison the 6.8L produces its torque at 3250 rpms and its hp at 4750 rpms, So the Ram V10 had lower-end tq.
Of course the SRT-10 is the most powerful engine, but I wasn't including that since the SRT-10 is not a work engine like I believe the Hurricane is supposed to be.
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