60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/4/2006 10:50:53 PM
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We will have to follow. That's what we do. Chrysler has always played the role of catch up. Or being late to the party. See Commander, Aspen. If we don't follow or come up with a better idea(which I don't see, we can't even prevent rams from being stolen at an alarming rate) we will be done.
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/5/2006 7:27:18 PM
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We will have to follow. That's what we do. Chrysler has always played the role of catch up. Or being late to the party. See Commander, Aspen. If we don't follow or come up with a better idea(which I don't see, we can't even prevent rams from being stolen at an alarming rate) we will be done.
Joe
since when is its Dodges fault that their trucks get stolen more often... OH because Dodge trucks are bad-ass and popular I suppose! I mean what are they supposed to do, offer hooks that dig into the ground or something, because no matter how good of an alarm system you have, give me a tow-truck and I will show you how much you wasted on that alarm system... even lojack is a waste of money when you know how to disable them.
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/5/2006 7:31:42 PM
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We will have to follow. That's what we do. Chrysler has always played the role of catch up. Or being late to the party. See Commander, Aspen. If we don't follow or come up with a better idea(which I don't see, we can't even prevent rams from being stolen at an alarming rate) we will be done.
Joe
since when is its Dodges fault that their trucks get stolen more often... OH because Dodge trucks are bad-ass and popular I suppose! I mean what are they supposed to do, offer hooks that dig into the ground or something, because no matter how good of an alarm system you have, give me a tow-truck and I will show you how much you wasted on that alarm system... even lojack is a waste of money when you know how to disable them.
Umm considering how easy it is to break into a Dodge Ram, it's easily Dodge's fault. Then on top of that, like you stated, Dodge trucks are extremely popular.
Imagine if BMW's cars had the same problem with the door latch that Dodge does with its trucks.....I sincerely believe there'd be alot more vehicles stolen.
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/5/2006 10:12:12 PM
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I used to steal cars when I was a kid and over the years have found myself and a slim-jim set unlocking many cars for friends and dealers... EVERY vehicle is easy to break into when you know what your doing. BMW's arent stolen as much as any pickup(any brand) since there isnt as much demand for the parts. Its as simple as that... supply and demand.
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/6/2006 11:34:38 PM
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Mine was taken with a butter knife. I mean come on. They used it to pop the lock, and to pop out the ignition switch, then left it in the truck. GM has been doing standard chip keys for at least 10 years. We still don't have that as standard. In metro Detroit the top two most stolen vehicles are 2005, and 2004 ram quad cab 4X4. Thats sad. I have 8 friends that have rams. Only one has not had it stolen yet. A slim jim I would respect, but a butter knife? 13-14 year old kids are stealing these things for crying out loud. Last time I checked ford sells 3 times as many F150's. I don't see a rash of them being stolen. I think they are a little more popular.
Yes everything is easy to break into. But not everything is easy to take. Why mess with something if you can't start it? That alone would deter alot of the punks that take these things.
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/8/2006 12:20:35 AM
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GM has been doing standard chip keys for at least 10 years.
Oh is that so? So then why does my plain flat metal Wal-Mart copy enter and start my 2003 silverado? no chip in that bad boy
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/8/2006 8:11:36 AM
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Because you are one of the lucky ones? My 96 Chevy Beretta would not start with a single key made by any hardware store....yet I go to the dealership and bam, it starts. My brother's finance's Grand Am has the same style key setup too.
Some of the models dont come with it standard....as I think only the advanced models got it......prior to like 04 I think....anything after that I believe it was a standard option..
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/8/2006 4:54:05 PM
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You guys are off the topic. Since when has Dodge (or other Chrysler divisions) been a follower. They were the first to offer a 5-speed auto in the 1500 models. They were the first to offer a Multi-Displacement system. The were among the first to offer an autostick system in a car that the average person could afford. They were the first to offer a truck with actually good styling that took the market away from GM and Ford. Some manufactures beat other manufactures at offering technology that really pulls them ahead in the market all the time. I remember when Hybrids were first being made that Dodge had came up with the ESX which was supposed to get around 80 mpg and it was never made nor was able to come close to that number. I have serious doubts and I think Hybrids are going to die out, but I'd love to see Toyota get what they have coming to them.
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/8/2006 5:10:12 PM
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You guys are off the topic. Since when has Dodge (or other Chrysler divisions) been a follower. They were the first to offer a 5-speed auto in the 1500 models. They were the first to offer a Multi-Displacement system. The were among the first to offer an autostick system in a car that the average person could afford. They were the first to offer a truck with actually good styling that took the market away from GM and Ford. Some manufactures beat other manufactures at offering technology that really pulls them ahead in the market all the time. I remember when Hybrids were first being made that Dodge had came up with the ESX which was supposed to get around 80 mpg and it was never made nor was able to come close to that number. I have serious doubts and I think Hybrids are going to die out, but I'd love to see Toyota get what they have coming to them.
Ummm if Dodge has stolen the market away from GM and Ford when it comes to the trucks, why was Ford yet again the #1 seller in trucks last year? The Ram is by far the best looking truck built, and has the balls to back it up. That said, it doesnt mean squat in an industry that cares about 2 things and only 2 things.....number of sales and the almighty dollar.
Dodge was the LAST of any of the big car companies to actually offer a high powered performance coupe under 40k. Chrysler's styling for the previous 10-15 years prior to Daimler buying them was a joke. They looked even worse then Honda does now. Also, MDS was not first offered by Chrysler.
The concept was originally called Variable Displacement and developed by Cadillac and was used in the L-62 V8-6-4 motor. It was a pain and was shortly discontinued. Mercedes was the next to bring it back to life in the mid 90's. After the merger, Chrysler gained access to it and it was then put back into mainstream production. Both GM and Honda also have this in use on a couple of vehicles.
Look, Dodge/Chrysler tend to wait until everyone else does something, then they come out with something uglier/nicer and much better in performance. Their problem has always been that they wait too long for the customer base...and they end up going and buying something else......and that sir....is a fact.
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/8/2006 7:19:34 PM
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You guys are off the topic. Since when has Dodge (or other Chrysler divisions) been a follower. They were the first to offer a 5-speed auto in the 1500 models. They were the first to offer a Multi-Displacement system. The were among the first to offer an autostick system in a car that the average person could afford. They were the first to offer a truck with actually good styling that took the market away from GM and Ford. Some manufactures beat other manufactures at offering technology that really pulls them ahead in the market all the time. I remember when Hybrids were first being made that Dodge had came up with the ESX which was supposed to get around 80 mpg and it was never made nor was able to come close to that number. I have serious doubts and I think Hybrids are going to die out, but I'd love to see Toyota get what they have coming to them.
Ummm if Dodge has stolen the market away from GM and Ford when it comes to the trucks, why was Ford yet again the #1 seller in trucks last year? The Ram is by far the best looking truck built, and has the balls to back it up. That said, it doesnt mean squat in an industry that cares about 2 things and only 2 things.....number of sales and the almighty dollar.
Dodge was the LAST of any of the big car companies to actually offer a high powered performance coupe under 40k. Chrysler's styling for the previous 10-15 years prior to Daimler buying them was a joke. They looked even worse then Honda does now. Also, MDS was not first offered by Chrysler.
The concept was originally called Variable Displacement and developed by Cadillac and was used in the L-62 V8-6-4 motor. It was a pain and was shortly discontinued. Mercedes was the next to bring it back to life in the mid 90's. After the merger, Chrysler gained access to it and it was then put back into mainstream production. Both GM and Honda also have this in use on a couple of vehicles.
Look, Dodge/Chrysler tend to wait until everyone else does something, then they come out with something uglier/nicer and much better in performance. Their problem has always been that they wait too long for the customer base...and they end up going and buying something else......and that sir....is a fact.
Going from around 7% to around 21% of the market share during the 90s is what I'd call stealing the market away from GM and Ford, I never said took over the market. GM and Ford had almost no competition because the older Dodge's didn't sell hardly any in comparsion to GM's and Ford's sales.
I knew Cadillac had that failed engine line but that was in the 80s, and that system is different than the system currently used in the 5.7L V8. I know it was first Mercedes's design, I was refering to the domestic car market and besides. They were the first to mass produce it. It is used in SUVs, trucks, and cars. GM is just getting started, and the Cadillac engine and Mercedes engine were limited production engines. Honda only uses it so far optional in the Odessey and some Hybrids.
Chrysler created new segments such as the minivan and brought back popularity of rear-wheel drive domestic cars. You are going to find dull and successful periods in any companies history. The earily 90s is when Chrysler vehicles styling really began to take off. They were the first to offer a TURBO Diesel, and a Turbo Diesel with 4 valves per cylinder. They made a new niche within the wagon/hatchbacks based on classic styling called the PTCruiser. How about the Grand Cherokee? It was the first SUV to really have any performance focus (1998 5.9L limited model). They were the first for years to offer a small Diesel in a SUV. They were the first to offer a V10 in a 2500/3500 truck (and they didn't hold on to it). They were the first to offer four-sliding on their minivans. They are the first to offer dual-rows of folding flat seats in their minivans. The Chrysler LeBaron convertible was one of the first convertibles made in years when it was introduced.
Yeah they didn't offer a high-performance coupe for years under the $40,000 mark, so what. GM offered many cars such as the Camaro/Firebird (discountinued), the GTO (which is rumored to be discontinued), etc. Ford offered one if you consider the Mustang to be a high-performance car. GM failed at this and this one car isn't saving Ford.
You can't expect a manufacture to be first at everything. It just doesn't happen. Some ideas really take off, like the minivan. Others fail, such as the GM EV1, which was a purely electric-driven car. They claimed it would take over the market, and recently GM recalled all of them and gave the customer's their money back. This idea might fail and it might succeed. Being first offers an advantage, but it doesn't always guarantee victory.
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/10/2006 1:05:15 AM
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Ummm if Dodge has stolen the market away from GM and Ford when it comes to the trucks, why was Ford yet again the #1 seller in trucks last year? Because these guys in the south are diehard Ford guys and they don't realize it's not the better truck. "I got my ol' Ford, yep Tobby tells me, my Ford is built Ford tough and it's king of the mountain, yeeeppp yeee haw!!!"
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Dodge was the LAST of any of the big car companies to actually offer a high powered performance coupe under 40k. Chrysler's styling for the previous 10-15 years prior to Daimler buying them was a joke. They looked even worse then Honda does now. They had their bad times...
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The concept was originally called Variable Displacement and developed by Cadillac and was used in the L-62 V8-6-4 motor. It was a pain and was shortly discontinued. Mercedes was the next to bring it back to life in the mid 90's. After the merger, Chrysler gained access to it and it was then put back into mainstream production. Both GM and Honda also have this in use on a couple of vehicles. What does it matter anyway? DCX was the FIRST to do it and be SUCCESFUL with it...
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Look, Dodge/Chrysler tend to wait until everyone else does something, then they come out with something uglier/nicer and much better in performance. Their problem has always been that they wait too long for the customer base...and they end up going and buying something else......and that sir....is a fact. It doesn't ALWAYS happen. That's a bit exaggerated.
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RE: 60MPG F150 - Hydraulic Hybrid - 3/10/2006 7:46:08 AM
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The concept was originally called Variable Displacement and developed by Cadillac and was used in the L-62 V8-6-4 motor. It was a pain and was shortly discontinued. Mercedes was the next to bring it back to life in the mid 90's. After the merger, Chrysler gained access to it and it was then put back into mainstream production. Both GM and Honda also have this in use on a couple of vehicles. What does it matter anyway? DCX was the FIRST to do it and be SUCCESFUL with it...
Actually, Mercedes was the first to truly be successful with it. It's not Chrysler's technology. It's Daimler's....so its still not a FIRST by this company.
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Look, Dodge/Chrysler tend to wait until everyone else does something, then they come out with something uglier/nicer and much better in performance. Their problem has always been that they wait too long for the customer base...and they end up going and buying something else......and that sir....is a fact. It doesn't ALWAYS happen. That's a bit exaggerated.
They have gotten better since Daimler bought them, but even you have to admit it happens quite often. It doesnt happen with the Dodge trucks and mini-vans, but anything to do with the cars and they tend to be a couple years behind. Granted, when they do make changes, its usually some really great ones. It's just usually a little late and they lose business.
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