SRT-4 = NO AWD
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SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/1/2006 1:58:08 PM
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Majin_Neon_00
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And the award for biggest letdown is .....Drumroll please...... SRT-4 for not utalizing its own freaking platform well i might as well spend the money for a srt-4 on lets say a EVO or an STI that seem to have AWD!! Nice one letting us down Dodge, but that is just their performance minded way of thinking, yeah i mean replace the cheapo neon with a car that if you add any options cost more than a neon, then make the SRT-4 about 5 grand more than a Neon SRT-4 and not give it the AWD it deserves. Oh well maybe the Jeep compas SRT-4 will Have AWD
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/1/2006 6:56:12 PM
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Chrysler doesn't have a performance AWD system...nothing that can handle that kind of power. That's why it doesn't have AWD. They should've kept their stake in Mitsubishi. Or better yet...bought the comapny. Then they'd have access to one. 
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 9:11:53 AM
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I agree with you Majin_Neon_00...
Chrysler does have an AWD system that can handle that kind of power... Check the LX platforms... They should have developed one for the Caliber... it's BS...
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 1:21:38 PM
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It's all cost. Who's going to buy a 30k Caliber?
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 4:18:11 PM
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I know right... Who is gonna buy a 25-30k 300 hp AWD compact car?
wait... people buy Evo's and STi's every day...
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 4:53:27 PM
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Yeah, and I don't think an AWD caliber would be $30k anyways, I would expect they are going to keep the FWD SRT-4 close to the old SRT-4 price, my bet is it would probably be around $22k, an AWD system would add maybe $2k to the price of the car, plenty of people would pay $24k for a 300hp AWD compact car.
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 5:08:02 PM
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The cheapo SRT4 was 22k... better interior, better performance parts and 70 more horsepower is gonna raise the price more than 2 bucks...
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 5:43:16 PM
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The Burning Rom
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I agree with you Majin_Neon_00...
Chrysler does have an AWD system that can handle that kind of power... Check the LX platforms... They should have developed one for the Caliber... it's BS...
True, the LX platform does have AWD. But they are primarily RWD cars. 62% of their power is sent to the rear wheels, according to the system specs. They would have to develop a completely different system for the Caliber considering that it's primarily a FWD car. The development of that system for one vehicle...a special low volume vehicle to begin with (SRTs are considered low volume) that also doesn't have an auto trans for "mass appeal"...would add quite a bit to the cost of that vehicle and the option itself. I'm guessing around 2-4k considering they probably wouldn't have a use for it on any of their other vehicles since they're almost all RWD now. If it sells well enough, they may start developing it but I doubt it will sell that well. From the reactions I've seen on various interent forums, a majority of current SRT-4 Neon owners that I've talked to about the Caliber plan on going to something else because they don't like the "wagon" look of it. The sheer power that it has doesn't seem to be as much of a factor as the look 
I do agree that the price is going to be a bit higher than 22k though. I priced a nearly FULLY optioned RT (I didn't go with the highest audio system) and it tipped the money scales at 23k. I'm guessing the SRT will be around 25k due to it's lack of some of the options and addition of others.
Me, I plan on buying a Caliber RT. I want the AWD for safety here in the wintery north, and the Auto trans because my gf doesn't know how to drive stick. And since she's going to be the one driving it, she's the one that has to be comfortable with it.  Maybe I'll get an SRT hood for it though...and maybe a set of those rims. Maybe even a custom turbo setup someday when we get a different vehicle to replace it 
Either way, I'll get my manual trans....when the Challenger hits the streets 
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 5:48:34 PM
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Yeah, and I don't think an AWD caliber would be $30k anyways, I would expect they are going to keep the FWD SRT-4 close to the old SRT-4 price, my bet is it would probably be around $22k, an AWD system would add maybe $2k to the price of the car, plenty of people would pay $24k for a 300hp AWD compact car.
I have a feeling that the FWD srt-4 will at start at 24k.
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 7:06:56 PM
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They would have to develop a completely different system for the Caliber considering that it's primarily a FWD car. The development of that system for one vehicle...a special low volume vehicle to begin with (SRTs are considered low volume) that also doesn't have an auto trans for "mass appeal"...would add quite a bit to the cost of that vehicle and the option itself.
I disagree. You could use pretty much the exact same setup in the Sebring/Avenger and whatever coupe comes from that. You already would be using it on the Caliber....and why not the Jeep Compass or Patriot? I can easily spot a few places that would make that drivetrain more appealing. Also, the current Dodge Stratus R/T came with an Autostick.....so you could easily offer that instead of JUST a manual.
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 7:37:19 PM
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I disagree. You could use pretty much the exact same setup in the Sebring/Avenger and whatever coupe comes from that. You already would be using it on the Caliber....and why not the Jeep Compass or Patriot? I can easily spot a few places that would make that drivetrain more appealing. Also, the current Dodge Stratus R/T came with an Autostick.....so you could easily offer that instead of JUST a manual.
They COULD use it in the Sebring/Stratus. The Avenger is long gone , Unless you mean the Avenger concept which probably won't get green lit with the Caliber and Nitro both in production . But I don't know how much life is left in the Stratus, and IIRC the Sebring platform may move to RWD with the next incarnation as well.
The Compass is built on the same platform as the Caliber and already has a 4wd system. Whether that system is true 4wd or AWD I do not know. But the setup that the Caliber uses is well within the power range of the compass, since it uses the same "World" engine. The Patriot will use the same engines as both the Caliber and Compass, but it's built on a different platform. There isn't a lot of info right now on what options it will have, so I'm not sure what system it could even utilize. Either way, unless they plan on building an SRT version of either of the vehicles (which isn't likely), they wouldn't NEED a performance AWD system for those vehicles either. I'm not saying SRT versions COULDN'T be produced, but I'm guessing one of them (or both) would have to show strong sales and a strong demand for an SRT-ified version in order for any development to start. And even then, there would have to be a strong demand for an AWD version along with a strong demand for AWD on the SRT-4 Caliber. The only reason the Caliber is getting an SRT-4 treatment right out of the gates is because they're killing off the Neon.
As for the transmission, I don't think Stratus' Autostick would be up to the challenge of handling the power this vehicle is putting out. 300hp/260lb-ft of torque is quite a bit of power. You need a beefy auto to handle that...especially in a FWD application. And if you start adding Stage kits those numbers will go up...beyond what any of Chrysler's FWD transmissions can handle.
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 10:50:02 PM
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Wasn't the caliber built on the same platform as the next gen Lancer/ EVO?
I have a feeling Dodge plan to start with the FWD sell heaps, and then bring out an AWD SRT-4
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 11:27:57 PM
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They COULD use it in the Sebring/Stratus. The Avenger is long gone , Unless you mean the Avenger concept which probably won't get green lit with the Caliber and Nitro both in production . But I don't know how much life is left in the Stratus, and IIRC the Sebring platform may move to RWD with the next incarnation as well.
As for the transmission, I don't think Stratus' Autostick would be up to the challenge of handling the power this vehicle is putting out. 300hp/260lb-ft of torque is quite a bit of power. You need a beefy auto to handle that...especially in a FWD application. And if you start adding Stage kits those numbers will go up...beyond what any of Chrysler's FWD transmissions can handle.
The Stratus coupe is done as of the 05 model. The Stratus sedan's final model will be the 07 model. After that, it's being changed to the Avenger/Rebel/whatever they are gonna call this.... but it wont be the Stratus anymore.
I agree....there may very well be a RWD incarnation of this car...but not anytime soon. Virtually EVERY midsize sedan made today without a V8 is FWD. The only exceptions being possibly Mercedes/BMW. I think there might be a couple others...but we're talking a half dozen cars tops.
As for the autostick comment, I was merely pointing out that it is possible. Please remember, the SRT-8's are all automatics....and they come with that whopping 425hp....same with a Corvette.....so I disagree...but I do see your point.
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/2/2006 11:54:15 PM
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As for the autostick comment, I was merely pointing out that it is possible. Please remember, the SRT-8's are all automatics....and they come with that whopping 425hp....same with a Corvette.....so I disagree...but I do see your point.
I do agree that it IS possible. There are Rams putting down insane amounts of power through automatic transmissions. I was just saying that Chrysler doesn't have one in FWD configuration for the Caliber. I'd LOVE to see an autostick put in the SRT-4. It's possible and they could develop one, but you're talking about more costs again It all comes down to how well the Caliber does in sales. If it's a hit, you can bet we'll see a lot more options in the future. 
That and Chrysler has always been a bit slow in the Transmission game. It took them almost 10 years to develop one that could actually handle the full potential of the 5.9 CTD. And now they're switching to a larger Diesel. They'll have to start development on a stronger transmission now....
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RE: SRT-4 = NO AWD - 3/3/2006 12:15:07 AM
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first off wow this thread hit a hot spot, and wheres that dodge rep now?? ok i got some things to answer for you guys, first off an awd system capable of handling the power would be extreamly profitable they are going to keep this new platform for at least 2 1/2 3 generations with alterations along the way. Also the jeep will undoubtly be offered as an SRT and notice how that SRT-8 jeep has AWD, its feesable and do able. And it would be greatly profitable, they just need to make it workable to the tuner, the next Evo the X isnt going to be that Tuner Friendly due to the overwhelming abilitys the 8 and 9 have its pushed Mitsu to make the 10 less workable to the average joe, and more of a computer geeks dream date. and suprise the Caliber is on the same platform as the EVO!!! as far as the mid sizers go lost cause until they can come up with something that will freaking work for once and not call it a stratus thats a gay name and its a rental car for godsake makes something to take on the camry and MAKE IT GOOD!!!
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