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RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 9:36:23 AM    alan92rttt   Posts: 54 Joined: 6/16/2004 Status: offline Interesting. Wrong. But, Interesting. Proof that its wrong. The 3000 GT VR-4 was sold until the 1999 model year. We won't mentions the v12 6.0L TT Bently or the Porshe 911 TURBO. The turbo v6 cars died becasue everyone wanted SUV's. New sports cars are coming with 4 doors because with they sell better. It makes them "more pratical". _____________________________ 1998 3000GT SL - 1992 Dodge Stealth RT/TT www.3si.org - 3000GT/Stealth International www.mi3si.org - The Michigan chapter of 3SI The 3S wikipedia www.3si.org/wiki (A work in progress) (in reply to DarkHamlet) Post #: 16

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 11:02:06 AM    93tt   Posts: 14 Joined: 8/2/2004 Status: offline No I am not wrong..it just seems you just didn't have the time or energy to read everything in my post.... 1st I said late 90's which I believe encompasses 1999????? 2nd I guess you didn't realize that Bentley and Porsche are not Japanese imports...glad I could help. 3rd NOBODY makes strictly a 4 door 4cyl turbo car for practicality......and could you explain why they are making the RX8, Eclipse, 350z, the new Supra coming out in a V8, and all the others in non turbo only as of lets say... the LATE 90's??? (in reply to alan92rttt) Post #: 17

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 11:25:54 AM    alan92rttt   Posts: 54 Joined: 6/16/2004 Status: offline And of course this "ban" caused all of the Jap automakes to completly stop making their tt V6's and selling them to the rest of the world. I mean if you can't sell a car in the US why make it. Its common knowledge that the Jap import super cars were not selling in the late 90's and that is why they stopped making the cars. in 98 they only imported 50 3000GT vr4 to the US. In 1999 they made a totally new body for the car in an attempt to boost the sales. Why would they redesign the body of the car if they could not sell the car any longer. Go do some research on the sales and real reasons, don't take the word of a dealership sales person that probably made it up in the 1st place. _____________________________ 1998 3000GT SL - 1992 Dodge Stealth RT/TT www.3si.org - 3000GT/Stealth International www.mi3si.org - The Michigan chapter of 3SI The 3S wikipedia www.3si.org/wiki (A work in progress) (in reply to 93tt) Post #: 18

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 11:44:49 AM    93tt   Posts: 14 Joined: 8/2/2004 Status: offline ok, so they were not selling well in the late 90's and thats the reason they stopped importing them (but kept making them in Japan for the next few years) and the skylines aren't imported because they just look too nice I guess, and with the turbo craze the way it is here in the states and knowing that everyone wants the lightest car possible (not being a four door which = more weight) .............dude whatever makes you feel better. I guess the guys in Japan just have not been smart enough to figure out that a two door TURBO V6 right now would sell like hot cakes. Oh, and yes, the fact that we are one if not the biggest importer of Japanese vehicles in the world would be enough to stop making them as a whole. It is called cost management and assembly lines. (in reply to alan92rttt) Post #: 19

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 11:58:29 AM    alan92rttt   Posts: 54 Joined: 6/16/2004 Status: offline Like the average import tuner kiddie could buy a bran new car in this class? the 99vr4 was $44k the supra and the rest of the jap super cars were in that same price class. And just to poke a few more holes in your theroy: 1) If Stealth sales were stopped for any reason other that slow sales, why did kill it in 96 and not 99 like the vr4? 2) Why put turbos on the 350z when its making almost 300 hp with out turbos. The 96 300z was making 300hp with turbos. They did not add turbos becasue the car did not need them. If I feel the need to make you look even dumber I'll post mroe after I get back from lunch. Oh, and was this GM your quoting the GM of an american auto dealer? _____________________________ 1998 3000GT SL - 1992 Dodge Stealth RT/TT www.3si.org - 3000GT/Stealth International www.mi3si.org - The Michigan chapter of 3SI The 3S wikipedia www.3si.org/wiki (A work in progress) (in reply to 93tt) Post #: 20

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 12:36:13 PM    93tt   Posts: 14 Joined: 8/2/2004 Status: offline OK here goes..... The "average import tuner kiddie" as you put it, can obviously afford a $30k Evo or STI in your world.(they are selling great by the way) I never said I was speaking directly about the Stealth, but the "big boys" in general. Let me READ.....yep those were my words. And the Stealth was probably stopped earlier because it was less popular than the rest.....it still is! The biggest complaint about the 350z is that no one can run a good turbo kit on it without blowing the engine. The biggest complaint in the tuner community about the rx8 is that it is underpowered. And any tuner or enthusiast would rather have an older GSX, GST, or TSI than a new Mitsu Eclipse V6 for performance! Oh and I guess the new Supra that will have a starting sticker price of between $60- 80K is using a Lexus V8 to keep costs down for the average tuner. Dude thanks for all the info and feel free to make me feel dumber when you get back...I guess they say everyone needs a good cry once in a while Seriously though thanks for the debate (in reply to alan92rttt) Post #: 21

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 1:59:13 PM    alan92rttt   Posts: 54 Joined: 6/16/2004 Status: offline Debate, its like talking to a brick wall. Your argument makes no sense and is totally illogical, why say no Turbo'd cars and yet allow v8's with 2-3 times the HP? Why only limit the JAP makers to not having Turbo'd cars? Why only have the Jap car makers abide by the 4 door+rear seat for a turbo rule? How is it that you and this mystery GM are the only people on the face of the earth that believe this? Why is it that there is not a single mention of this anywhere on the internet? Your argument is flawed. < Message edited by alan92rttt -- 8/2/2004 2:24:07 PM > _____________________________ 1998 3000GT SL - 1992 Dodge Stealth RT/TT www.3si.org - 3000GT/Stealth International www.mi3si.org - The Michigan chapter of 3SI The 3S wikipedia www.3si.org/wiki (A work in progress) (in reply to 93tt) Post #: 22

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 3:58:55 PM    93tt   Posts: 14 Joined: 8/2/2004 Status: offline ok I was trying to lighten things up, but obviosly your not only incapable of reading entire paragraphs your also pretty damn uptight! (probably the frustration of feeling wrong....I don't know?? Once again here we go... First there are no v8 cars made by a Japanese manufactuer that are 2-3 times the hp of the turbos we are speaking of ie. the supra tt is 320hp factory who makes the 960hp car you are speaking of???????????? Second, the Japanese Manufactured cars competed price wise with the vettes, etc... Porsche and the others are "high end" sports cars that sell for $60k to $200k plus! They are not competition!! You know what your week a#$ arguments aren't worth my time any more have a great one and remember to always read everything before speaking. (in reply to alan92rttt) Post #: 23

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 4:13:25 PM    alan92rttt   Posts: 54 Joined: 6/16/2004 Status: offline Gee, so 2-3 times was an exaggeration but ignore that. Your claim that the Turbo'd 6's are banned is silly. Why allow even a 300hp v8 or v6 what's the functional difference? Why only restrict the jap market? Why not restrict any of the European auto makers? Why require 4 doors? Hell don't answer why just provide one bit of proof. Find a page on the internet (that you did not make) that says anything close to this. Hell be brave and go post this to the general forum of www.3si.org or supraforums.com your probably to afraid to do that. I think it would be funny to see how stupid they'd make you look. _____________________________ 1998 3000GT SL - 1992 Dodge Stealth RT/TT www.3si.org - 3000GT/Stealth International www.mi3si.org - The Michigan chapter of 3SI The 3S wikipedia www.3si.org/wiki (A work in progress) (in reply to 93tt) Post #: 24

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/2/2004 5:22:18 PM    93tt   Posts: 14 Joined: 8/2/2004 Status: offline Listen , I already adressed the question why not the other countries........once again read..........furthermore I don't know 100% if it's right or not because I have not researched it anymore than you have. I got this information from the manager of a Mitsubishi Dealer which without researching the matter in my opinion knows more that I do. Man I'm right I'm wrong either way I don't care. I own two fast cars, have a great wife, cool dogs, about the only thing I don't have is the time to keep going back and forth with someone like you who takes all this way to seriously!!! Have a good one. (in reply to alan92rttt) Post #: 25

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/3/2004 11:34:34 AM    thestealth Posts: 3523 Joined: 2/3/2004 From: United States Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: 93tt I got this information from the manager of a Mitsubishi Dealer which without researching the matter in my opinion knows more that I do. Well hell, since it is an opinion debate. I wouldn't trust a Dealer further than I could throw him..but. Some of what you say sort of passes the B.S. test, as there haven't been any turbos v-6s since 99 from japan. The RX-7 did not have a v6 so how was it banned? I think that the jap sports cars just got to damn expensive for the performance (stock), when a Mustang, Camaro, and Vette all had similar to better performance for equal or less money. That is what killed them. Also they all seemed to get away from the TT motors because all that add is more things to break. With the 350z it has almost as much power NA as the 300z had with TT, why add more stuff to break when the same performance (or near) can be had with an NA motor. Again this is all just my opinion as I have not researched (and won't) this. _____________________________ My Gallery (in reply to 93tt) Post #: 26

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/3/2004 1:19:39 PM    93tt   Posts: 14 Joined: 8/2/2004 Status: offline I hear you....of course you could always say the rx7 falls under the 2 door issue. (in reply to thestealth) Post #: 27

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/3/2004 1:26:33 PM    thestealth Posts: 3523 Joined: 2/3/2004 From: United States Status: offline 2 doors, dang it, I knew I forgot something. I still don't see how the US could specifically stop the Japanese manufactures from bringing over their cars while letting the Europeans bring over whatever they want. It just doesn't make sense. _____________________________ My Gallery (in reply to 93tt) Post #: 28

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/3/2004 1:29:14 PM    93tt   Posts: 14 Joined: 8/2/2004 Status: offline Again, all I can think of is that the German cars are way to expensive to be considered a threat or competition? (in reply to thestealth) Post #: 29

RE: What happen to the Dodge Stealth - 8/28/2004 2:02:58 AM    mitsustealthcross   Posts: 6 Joined: 8/22/2004 Status: offline I want a stealth so bad. My dream is to buy a 91 or 92 stealth and drop a new engine in it. I'm deffinately going with the twin turbo but should I get the mitsu engine or the dodge engine? (in reply to alan92rttt) Post #: 30

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