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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/13/2006 11:21:19 AM
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Wouldn't new skin mean new sheetmetal/exterior?
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/13/2006 3:06:41 PM
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The new "skin" reffers to some drastic improvements in aerodynamics. I've heard of the 8.4L and the ZB platform going into effect. Dodge really is going to change the Viper tremendously. So long Vettes/GT!
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 1:30:44 AM
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where did u read that at?
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 8:35:48 AM
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Who?
Another issue Dodge plans to fix is the gearing. It's one of the bigger problems making this V10 near Vette speed.
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 10:04:03 AM
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Another issue Dodge plans to fix is the gearing. It's one of the bigger problems making this V10 near Vette speed.
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Awwwww is they still trying to catch the lil ol V8 Vette? 
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 10:31:43 AM
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that "lil ol V8" isnt so little anymore you know... its now a 7 liter, way up from the original 5.7 that it used to be and catching up in size to the Viper. I just got through putting one on Ebay and I must say between it and the '06 coupe that we just had , this Vette is pretty sweet. All the creature comforts and extremely fast. One thing I have noticed is that it seems that Chevy has learned things from the Viper... one such thing is that now the Vette motor and driveability feel more Viper like in that it has a less refined, more harsh ride with instant throttle response kind of reminding me of the Gen 1 & 2 Vipers. This is something that is being lost in the Gen 3 Vipers, they are trying to play up to the way the Vettes feel... its a topsy turvy world.
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 10:32:25 AM
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Still? It's only the first time ever that the Vette had caught up with the Viper, so Dodge is taking drastic measures to make sure it doesn't happen again for a while...
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 10:49:19 AM
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I hope they do, it is a damn shame to be beatin' out by a Chevy! We will just have to wait till later on this year or the beginning of next before we start to get spy pics, performance stats or something of the next Gen's.
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 11:11:37 AM
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Still? It's only the first time ever that the Vette had caught up with the Viper, so Dodge is taking drastic measures to make sure it doesn't happen again for a while...
Actually, the last 2-3 years the Vette has really had the Viper. The fact of the matter is, I can do more with a Vette for about 20 grand less then you can get out of a stock Viper. Also, I wouldnt put much faith in Dodge when it comes to the Viper. They've been doing the Dog & Pony show for far too long...and they finally have been passed up by both Chevy & Ford.
You are also comparing apples to oranges, as Chevy has made their car superfast and affordable....and that's without exceeding the V8 engine size.
Like VFS stated, the Corvette has started to capture the feeling that the Viper fans want, with all the creature comforts the Vette has been known for. Also, even with an additional 1.3L of engine that they have....they are getting beaten by 3 V8 powered cars that are all American made. The S7 Saleen, the Ford GT, and the Corvette......short of an extreme engine makeover....or a S/C or a turbo....I dont forsee the Viper getting much faster then it is.
One final note, I would love to see the Viper regain what made it popular. The sheer power and beastly roar of that car is something I remember as a kid. But the facts are, more and more cars are losing the V10 engines for the fact they are just too costly and that V8 technology is finally producing the power that those V10's could for less money. While I hope the Viper always retains the V10, I can see a day when Dodge has to make a choice over it. It's coming soon.
Just food for thought, the Viper weighs 3300lbs, the Ford GT weighs almost 3500lbs....without drivers....and with a piddly 5.4L V8 supercharged motor....beats the current V10 powered Viper in a quarter mile run...... nuff said.
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 11:59:53 AM
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Cliffs? Jesus Christ
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I can do more with a Vette for about 20 grand less then you can get out of a stock Viper.
How do you figure that? Bling and add-ons are never ending to both cars. Performance wise you can do WAY more to the Viper. With the strained V8 Vette, there's a limit. That's why the Viper holds its spot for the fastest production car in the world with some add on mods. What was it? 0-60 in 2.9 seconds? So much for that idea.
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 12:01:13 PM
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right...because ford cant put together a motor that makes any real power without forced induction...the z06 is faster, for now...
numbers from a few different sources...
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.9 11.7
2004 Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.9 11.77
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 4.0 12.00 (est) - C&D
2005 Ford GT 3.6 11.78
2005 Ford GT 3.3 11.60
2005 Ford GT 3.5 11.80 - C&D
the GT is geared better for the quarter mile, and they spent ages developing the drivetrain...it should be faster..but according to the two 1/4 sites that i know of, its very close, if not faster, and it seems to be a drivers race...also, according to C&D, the viper weighs 3400lbs, and the GT weighs 3350...
the base price of the viper is around 80 grand...the base price of the GT (if you can get one at base price without the huge dealer markup) is around 143-150 grand..."nuff said"...
for that price there is simply no point in compring the GT to the viper...thats like saying how much faster an srt10 ram is then my stratus...it costs almost twice as much, and as 150+K cars go, the GT is garbage. also, the GTs have had issues with literally falling apart...just like the dakotas, but the dakotas arent 150 grand "Supercars"...
but in the long run, say, 10 years..the new vette is Just another corvette...but the viper is a stand out car...and we have been over this before...the viper is a low end supercar...there is no watered down model with an automatic so the soccer moms can drive them to practice...
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 1:04:45 PM
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Cliffs? Jesus Christ
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I can do more with a Vette for about 20 grand less then you can get out of a stock Viper.
How do you figure that? Bling and add-ons are never ending to both cars. Performance wise you can do WAY more to the Viper. With the strained V8 Vette, there's a limit. That's why the Viper holds its spot for the fastest production car in the world with some add on mods. What was it? 0-60 in 2.9 seconds? So much for that idea.
-Matt-
Go look up a Sledgehammer or Lingenfelter Corvette.....yeah...so much for that idea my ass....Also, I screwed up after re-reading that post. I meant to say that I could do more with the extra 20k to a Z06, then you could do spending that 85k on your stock Viper. Basically, I could make my Z06 faster with the extra 20k...
As for Pat's comment:
I took the weight numbers directly from both companies respected websites, so if the numbers are wrong, blame them. Dodge lists the Viper coupe at like 3340 I believe.
The GT is overpriced, a piece of sh*t, and I hate Fords. However, I was talking about the V8 really, not the car. The Saleen S7 is a supercar, yet they get it done with a V8. There are Ferrari's that use V8's.....and we're talkin $150,000-200,000 cars....so why bag on the V8?
Look, I'm not knocking on the Viper, but face facts....the Viper needs some SERIOUS work. If Chevy ever threw a s/c or turbo on the Corvette....Also, who cares if the Corvette comes in a stick or an auto. Once upon a time some of the greatest muscle cars came in an auto as well. If that's your only reason for baggin on the Vette....
Again, here's the knock on the V-10....it costs entirely too much...and they arent producing the kind of HP they should be. That we will all agree on. So why continue wasting money on an engine that's being caught up to by a V8? You either produce something that works or you stop doing it. Look at Lamborghini and Ferrari and Mercedes. They're using V12's.....and some of their sedan McClarens and AMG models will match, beat or come close to the Viper in speeds and quarter mile. Is that anything to brag about?
You are right, the Viper is a standout car....and yeah...its an awesome car....but in 10 years...who says it will still be being made? I know the Corvette will be.
I want the Viper that first came out, dominating and untouchable. I just dont know that Dodge can build it for less then 100k.
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 1:24:54 PM
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eh..i honestly couldnt care any less if they keep making them...
the hemicuda was only made for a few years...does that make it less prominent?
and i really dont get into the "with this much money i could have ____"...the mirada has about 5 grand in it, altogether, and it will keep pace with a 1st gen viper, and with a less than pro driver, it will give a new viper one hell of a run, as i have seen a few of them spinning their way to low-mid 12s...and about the V10/V12 versus V8 arguement...there are evos putting out 700+ whp...engine size is a bad determining factor for discussion since the japanese companies make similar power with 4 and 6 cylinders...
and if dodge would get off their high horse dfor a second and recognize that the common man cant afford a viper, and doesnt care that it has a V10 as long as its fast, they could easily build a viper to compete with the vette, with a V8, for under 100,000...
figure this..the 6.1L hemi makes an advertised 425hp, but has been dyno tested to make around 460 at the crank...the 6.4L makes (i believe) 505hp...the same at the SRT10...the cars currently equipped with the 425hp hemi range from high 30s to low 40s...those cars have proven to be, on average, about a second slower than the srt10 viper, for about half of the cost. now, tack on another 80hp..and reduce the weight to equal the weight of the viper...this estimation is from race-cars.net
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The SRT-8 weighs about 3800 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 12.80 seconds. That means that you've got about 358.13 HP at the wheels, and about 465.57 HP at the flywheel.
now, cut to 3300lbs...and take into consideration how low the stock hp of the 6.1L is...and if we assume even a SLIGHT under rating of the 6.$L...its fair to say that 516bhp is not impossible...
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The SRT-8 weighs about 3300 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 11.80 seconds. That means that you've got about 396.97 HP at the wheels, and about 516.06 HP at the flywheel.
now, say that you charged 20,000 more for a lightened up LX platform with the 6.4L...you have yourself a car that will now keep pace with the viper, and the GT, for 60,000...i cant find a price on the 6.4L, but there was a 70 challenger at the NAIAS with the 6.4L in it...i know that its out there...and i dont think that it costs 20,000...and there are ways to lighten up the LX models...but just by putting the full LX drivetrain in the viper, it woudl cut the cost of the viper, without compromising much, if any, performance...but that would make all the snotty viper owners cry...because then "poor folks" (who actually know what the viper is built for) could afford them.
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RE: Viper rumor... - 2/14/2006 2:10:32 PM
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Every Corvette lover should thank Dodge from Dawn 'till dusk for the Viper. In 1991 the Corvette’s base engine made a whopping 245 horsepower, no much more than the V-6 in my pickup makes; the top-of the line Corvette had what 345 horse? TOP OF TH E LINE!!???? Had there been no viper the Vette would be half the car it is today.
BTW I’m sure this has been hashed over and over, but notice how much the new ‘Vette looks like the Viper. The vette stopped making pop-up headlights, they look more like the Vipers, hood scoop like the viper, mouth opening like the viper, side vent like the viper. Which begs the question, why buy the Corvette when you can just buy the Car it was designed after?
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