RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram?
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 1/15/2007 2:10:00 AM
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MG42pillbox
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Toyota sucks, 
Yay for me, I dont have to drive one
(Good posts guys
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 1/20/2007 12:21:57 AM
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get your facts straight ! sorry to bust your bubble -
Crew cab: Tundra CrewMax has more back seat room than any other standard-duty crew-cab except the Dodge Ram Mega Cab.
also the Mega Cab is on a Heavy Duty Chassis NOT a Standard duty chassis
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 1/20/2007 1:03:43 AM
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ORIGINAL: MG42pillbox
*(Bump)
Toyota sucks,
Yay for me, I dont have to drive one
(Good posts guys
aww man, i have to. well, at least it was before Toyota got off the hook! 94 pickup, so its not copy!
My friend and I agreed you can like Toyota trucks before 94. but anything over is BULLSH!T.
Hino-copys-Freightliner
Toyota-copys-Dodge
im sure im missing something. oh yea, thats why God made terrorists, to attack Toyota's
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 1/21/2007 5:34:54 PM
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MG42pillbox
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They were overrated before they overrated themselves.
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 1/21/2007 6:41:05 PM
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They were overrated before they overrated themselves.
yea, thats true. good point btw.
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 1/24/2007 3:43:18 PM
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Lmurray has a bad case of dillusion. CR is the worst outlet anyone can listen to. They flip-flop on everything. Just look at how they rated the LX cars. They claim that in the 300, the HEMI-equipped models are less reliable than the V6 versions, yet in the Charger and Magnum the HEMI-equipped model is rated at being more reliable. They claim that Toyota's hybrid system makes their cars MORE reliable despite the problems they have had with the gas-powered engines shutting down and not restarting. Also in their list of reliability ratings, the hybrid version of the Toyota Highlander is more reliable than the normal V6 version yet the Ford Escape which uses Toyota's hybrid system is way LESS reliable than its normal I4 version.
Just look at the different versions of the Camry. In the sedan version the V6 model is considered way more reliable than the V6, yet the coupe convertible version of the Camry (the Solara) notes it is instead the I4 that is more reliable. The Fusion/Milan I4 is rated as being more reliable than the V6 version, yet the Mazda 6 V6 is rated as being more reliable than the I4 version despite they are the same powertrain and on the same platform.
How about their past ratings? They listed all the manufactures who had oil sludge problems. The only one that had consistent most reliable ratings was Toyota, and guess what. They had the most effected models because the oil sludge covered not just one engine but two! Did this effect the Camry's ratings since BOTH engines were offered. No, it didn't.
How about the Ford trucks vs. GM trucks? They go back and forth depending on what category it is despite the fact that their all basically the same. CR is a waste of time. J.D. Power judges stupid things like how well the fit and finish is . Yeah, when I am on the side of the road due to a broken transmission in the new Camry (which is a major part of their recalls), I'm really going to care how good the fit and finish is.
Toyota has been known to inflate their numbers. Look at the output of the previous Camry with the 3.0L and the initial redesigned Avalon with the current one. I'd be more concerned about reliability issues with the Tundra. The new 5.7L is all-aluminum. A truck is more likely to face overheating than a car. Not a good idea. Toyota's latest transmissions have had problems, I wouldn't want to take the risk. Also I read a comparison once (this was back in 2002 I think) where each manufacturer gave a truck to a farmer's magazine. The Ford was able to put up with the abuse the best, Toyota did the worst.
Lmurray, the current Ram no longer offers the 5.9L or the 46RE; therefore, a 5.7L HEMI Magnum with a 545RFE I'm quite sure will provide more than adequate hp & torque for your boat. The 5.7L produces roughly 100 more hp & 30 ft-lbs of tq. The 545RFE offers much better gearing for both fuel economy and towing since it is a 5-speed.
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 2/2/2007 8:26:47 PM
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Lmurray
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I'm not delusional at all. I just understand what CR is reporting. The "flip-flopping" that you are noting is not flip-flopping at all. They are reporting reliability based on statistics for each brand and MODEL. Therefore, just because two models share a drivetrain does not mean that both models are equally reliable. They aren't giving you reliability ratings for an engine or transmission, but for a particular model.
And yes, Toyota has had it's share of issues (sludge, transmissions, etc.) however, those issues are typically more rare than with the "domestic" brands. Also, the recent rise in issues with Toyota products coincides with the increase in the number of Toyotas manufactured here in the States. Not a very good report card for our workforce.
And as far as the Farmer Magazine comparo, I don't doubt that the domestics outperformed the old Tundra. The Tundra wasn't designed to be a workhorse. It was designed for the average suburban dweller who makes the occasional trip to Home Depot for weekend projects, and haul light boats and trailers. You know...the way most of the light duty truck consumers in America actually use their trucks.
Now the 2007 Tundra is on par with the half-ton trucks from the Big 2.5 in every area, and people still need to find something to pick apart. The fact is, the new Tundra is a true full size truck that hauls and tows as much as anything in it's class, is roomier than before and should be a competetive truck in the market that will hopefully spur the Big 2.5 to improve their trucks. Competition is good.
As for the 5.9l vs the 5.7l HEMI...I like the 381hp and 401lb.ft. from the new Toyota 5.7l
Also...to address what brandloyalty said about the Mega Cab vs CrewMax rear leg room...the CrewMax does have slightly more leg room. The Mega Cab has a bit more hip and shoulder room, though.
For those of you griping that Toyota has stolen the Ram's design...I agree that the new Tundra borrows quite a bit from the Ram, but why not? The Ram is the best looking truck on the road, and Toyota wants the new truck to look American. What better truck to imitate? What did you want them to do? Make it look unique like the ugly Titan? That truck looks entirely too Japanese and the sales numbers reflect that fact.
I think the new Tundra looks BADA$$!
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 2/7/2007 9:12:47 PM
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It is flip-flopping when the only difference is between two models is that one is a coupe and another is a sedan. The problem is that they don't allow well known facts to effect their reliability ratings. The sludge problem with Toyota was actually more widespread than one one elses. I remember reading about that in one of their articles but the difference is it didn't effect their reliability ratings nor their recommendation ratings either.
For your info, I know lots of people who have had Japan built Toyotas and have had just as many problems as U.S. built ones. CR claims that until just this last year Toyotas ratings are always reaching a new peak. That is the company's fault not the location of the workers. If Japan is so much better at making cars reliable how come many of the other companies who make just about everything in Japan are lower in reliability ratings than the U.S. built ones?
At first people thought the Titan was the best truck on the market but in time the platform proved otherwise.
Toyota is the most overrated manufacuter in history. I don't buy those hp & tq ratings just yet and I'm not about to just trust a brand new engine design that hasn't been proven yet and I hold that standard to every manufacturer no matter who they are.
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 2/8/2007 12:15:19 PM
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Lmurray
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It is not flip flopping. You are basing that statement on the fact that multiple models share a drivetrain, but they are basing their the number of reported problems with a particular model. If they used your liogic they wouldn't be rating individual models, they would be rating drivetrains. Therefore, a Camry, Highlander and Lexus ES300 would all be in group, even though all three likely experience different types of problems and with more or less frequency. One could make the assumption that since all three share a basic platform and drivetrain that they would be equally reliable (or unreliable), however, you and I both know that isn't always the case...whether we can explain that fact or not is irrelevant.
As for Jap built cars vs American built, I don't remember saying that no Jap built car has ever had issues, or that they are perfect. We all know a Toyota owner or twenty that has had problems with their cars, just as owners of American made cars have problems. Historically, though Toyota and Honda have established a reputation for building cars that are more reliable. Any mechanic will tell you the same thing. Why don't the other Japanese automakers build cars that are as reliable as Toyota and Honda? I don't know...maybe for the same reason Ford cars are notoriously piles of $hit....while their trucks are much more reliable. Go figure!
All I am saying is, I have owned Chryslers for years, and I miss the solid reliability of my old T100. So, my next truck will be the new Tundra. I love Dodge and Mopar performance, but if I am buying a $40k truck this summer I'll take my chances with another Toyota...who knows? Maybe I'll be back here in a year singing another tune?!?!?!
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 2/8/2007 3:42:53 PM
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I did not compare the Camry, Highlander, and Lexus ES 300 those are significantly different. The Camry vs the Camry Solara are virtually the same yet they get very different realibility ratings. The difference between a Charger/Magnum and a Chrysler 300 is marginal yet they get different ratings. The fact is that when the only difference between a hybrid model and a non-hybrid model is in fact the hybrid system and they are inconsistent on whether the system is infact reliable or not based on the brand of the user, it discredits the source.
I have know just as many people have problems with Toyotas as I know people that have had problems with each domestic brand. I actually know more people that have had positive experiences with the Big Three than I know of people that have had good luck with Toyota. Look at the service guides on some of Toyota's cars and you will see why the get better ratings. They have you replace things more often. That is about it.
I think you should at least wait until the first year bugs are worked out, that goes with all brands. Toyota has had more issues lately with first year models.
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 2/9/2007 1:35:43 AM
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This again comes to the point that all automobile publications are in bed with the Asian auto market. That is why I dont follow ratings one bit. I make my own judgements on products and never let anyone or thing sway me. I have never had any major problem with Chrysler products whatsoever. No one can tell me that any Asian made vehicle is made any better than any of the domestic brands; I know better. My aunt bought a brand new Honda Civic a couple of years ago and has had the tranny worked on several times, but she still swears its the best car she's ever driven. The thing is before the Civic she owned a Dodge Neon; she nit-picked every damn thing that was wrong with it. Every little squeel, thud, or bump; she complained. Thats what bugs me; people who've had probs with any domestic car are quick to go Asian, but when they have the same or as many probs with their "better" Asian car; they still swear on the product. Why can't people do the same with the Domestics?
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RE: The 2008 Toyota Ram? - 2/9/2007 11:40:02 AM
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Lmurray
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This again comes to the point that all automobile publications are in bed with the Asian auto market. That is why I dont follow ratings one bit. I make my own judgements on products and never let anyone or thing sway me. I have never had any major problem with Chrysler products whatsoever. No one can tell me that any Asian made vehicle is made any better than any of the domestic brands; I know better. My aunt bought a brand new Honda Civic a couple of years ago and has had the tranny worked on several times, but she still swears its the best car she's ever driven. The thing is before the Civic she owned a Dodge Neon; she nit-picked every damn thing that was wrong with it. Every little squeel, thud, or bump; she complained. Thats what bugs me; people who've had probs with any domestic car are quick to go Asian, but when they have the same or as many probs with their "better" Asian car; they still swear on the product. Why can't people do the same with the Domestics?
I assume you have proof that "all automobile publications are in bed with the Asian auto market"? If Carlos Mencia read this post you would get a Dee Dee Dee Award. If the car magazines are in bed with the Asian auto market, then why did the Siverado win Truck of the Year? Ohhh...wait...I got it...is it because the Silverado is more Asian than the Tundra? I mean, the Tundra was designed here, is built here and contains more American made parts than any other half ton truck on the market (fact...look it up). Interesting...the Silverado wins because it is potentially more Asian than the Toyota. I see your point now! It's all a conspiracy. The Asians must have auto mechanics in their pockets too, because I don't know a mechanic that won't recommend a Honda or Toyota over a domestic vehicle for reliability.
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