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RE: This car is a POS - 2/1/2006 7:50:37 PM
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97 3.5 Intrepid
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How were they? Which one felt the most powerful and the least powerful? The Mach 1, NON-supercharged Cobra, or current 05-06 GT model.
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 10:19:58 AM
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and that the engine is made by a company that has a reputation for making junk and the transmission is a design that has a bad reputation.
Hyundai hasnt had any problems with their engines for years now, so what your complaining about isnt valid. As long as Chrysler doesnt use their gas tanks, airbag systems, electrical components or have them build the structures themselves then there will be no issues. Hyundai has been building engine parts for years for other manu's... Mitsubishi in fact, the heads on the eclipse's(earlier years) are almost an exact match for most of the same 2.0 Hyundais... go to your local parts house and start looking at how many parts fit across the platforms, you'll be suprised. Besides you want to talk about manu's not make their own products anymore then you need to look directly at Ford, they have been cross-platforming for years themselves and your all for them. So whats the difference?
I personally dont like the looks of the Caliber, but they are going to milk that particular platform for awhile because it cost efficient and already available and since the Lancer is a nice little car I dont see any problem wih that at all.
And as for the transmission... gee I remember when "front-wheel drive" had a bad rep, but what about now? Come on, do you think that Chrysler is going to use the same designs for CVT's that have been having problems, uh no.
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 10:33:41 AM
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srtommy
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ORIGINAL: 97 3.5 Intrepid
How were they? Which one felt the most powerful and the least powerful? The Mach 1, NON-supercharged Cobra, or current 05-06 GT model.
In order of power
Cobra (minor mods do wonders for that car)
Mach 1 (with a boatload of potential)
Current GT
2004 GT (but it corners better than the 05-06 model)
SVT is coming with factory approved mods, through Ford dealers, when the next line of SVT vehicles come out too.
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 12:13:41 PM
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BadStratRT
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*yawns*
yeah...ive blown enough of those GTs off the track to know that none of them can hold a light to the 03-04 cobra...but the problem is that driving skill doesnt come with the terminator...ive seen 10 second 03-04 cobras, but ive also seen just as any running mid to low 13s...
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 7:18:44 PM
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the caliber is made in a Chrysler plant. it isn't like it is going down a mitsh line and they are throw a Hyundai in it. the world engines are very different between brands. i believe all they share is teh block. Chrysler is solely responsible for the rest of the engine components. BTW the CVT is a Nissan.
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 8:28:55 PM
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BadStratRT
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misinformation...tsk tsk tsk..
the CVT is not a nissan trans..the nissan murano uses a CVT, and the caliber uses the CVT2, which are both designed by JATCO, which is actually part owned by Mitsu Motors..the CVT2 differs from the CVT in the Murano.
Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance designed the engine line up for use by Hyundai, Mitsu, and dodge, which are the three players in GEMA. however, all three will not have the same features and performance measures...basically, GEMA designed the bottom end of the engine, and all of the caliber NA gasoline engines use the same block...I believe, however, that the different companies will use different top ends...but this is nothing new...the 2.7L V6 found in th tiburon GT is a variation of the 6g72, which is found in stealths/3000gt/stratus/sebring/eclipse 2000+...and if you tear all of the crappy plastic cladding away from the motor in the tibby, the motor is visually similar. it is just that, in the past, they have whored out engines without any official title, other than the DSM nme, which is now gone, but basically, this is a similar deal to DSM, just with an extra member...
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 8:38:27 PM
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nickoman01
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misinformation...tsk tsk tsk..
the CVT is not a nissan trans..the nissan murano uses a CVT, and the caliber uses the CVT2, which are both designed by JATCO, which is actually part owned by Mitsu Motors..the CVT2 differs from the CVT in the Murano.
read this article. that company belongs to Nissan, they use the same transmission in other vehicles. I'm right.
http://www.dodgeforum.com/m_274420/tm.htm
The first of the "world engines" in the United States with key advanced technologies - variable valve timing and a flow-control valve intake manifold - are sold by Chrysler. The engines were designed jointly by Chrysler, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai, and will be made and used by all three - in rather different configurations (Mitsubishi even has a three-cylinder variant!). Chrysler is using dual-variable-valve technology to control both intake and exhaust valves; Hyundai is using a different variable-valve package. The result of this, as well as different intakes and other packaging details, will probably result in different power outputs for each of the three companies using the same basic engines.
Reportedly, the basic block was designed by Hyundai, and Chrysler and Mitsubishi then made a large number of modifications to make it more efficient and adapt it to their uses and technologies. Most of the packaging/dressing components, such as intake manifolds and valve timing equipment, appear to have been developed by each partner independently and will be used independently as well.
booya bitch jk
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 8:57:22 PM
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BadStratRT
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that company is joint owned..by nissan and mitsubishi
from allpar..:quote:
The supplier of the transmission is JATCO, which is owned by Nissan and Mitsubishi;...
find me the source of your article nicko..not some guys name...
the CVT is similar to the murano..not the same. the murano uses a torque convertor and from that the motion crated by the TC creates centrifugal force to make the CVT "work"...the dodge CVT2 uses an electronic controller in conjunction with the TC, to control the spread of the pulley sets...this allows for "gear selection" and the ability to "shift" gears that dont exist, and it will even have an autostick feature...the murano, on the other hand, boasts of a completely smooth transmission with very minor, if any, "shift feel'...
and while youre at it, find better sources...from gemaengines.com
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Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance is a joint venture comprised of DaimlerChrysler, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi Motors. This venture was formed to serve the needs of all three companies. Our goal is to manufacture a new family of cost-efficient, in-line, four-cylinder engines that will meet and beat the best engines in the world. Our partnership leverages the extensive resources of the three companies to create and use best-practice manufacturing processes, advanced automation, and leading-edge technology. The result is three equal partners, relying upon their collective strengths, who have joined forces in this historic effort that combines automotive innovation, a winning culture that encompasses and embraces diversity of thought and background, and an unprecedented level of cooperation between employees and management.
if youre gonna use google to argue with me, at least check more than one source...ive done extensive reading on this car, and done an article about it...so im not googling the info...
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 9:02:27 PM
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I found JATCO's website. JATCO
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 9:04:39 PM
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BadStratRT
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my point wasnt so much who owns it, but that the murano CVT is not the CVT that is in the caliber...
by nickos logic every car ever built with an automatic has had the "Same transmission" as well...
i know that somewhere i had what the percentages of ownership were for the GEMA, but i dont know where it was....if im not mistaken, DCX is the big money behind it...and it sure as hell couldnt have been mitsu...
what the hell was this thread even about? 
oh snap! 2003/01/30 Announcement of Merger Between JATCO and DIAMONDMATIC ..who knows what diamondmatic is? anyone? 
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/2/2006 9:29:19 PM
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nickoman01
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no i never said the murango CVT is the same. Nissan Lafesta uses the same one, but i guess without the "autostick" type thing.
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/9/2006 12:47:08 PM
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Will the Thrill
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The Fusion is just a Ford 500 with a nice front end and some groaty looking wood panels thrown in...all at a cost over the 300.
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I guess Matts been watching the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous alot lately!
Haha. I was going to ask what was so lmao about it
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you cant tell me that you havent seen worst priced vehicles....
$300,000 for a $150,000 Ford GT. That was some great pricing/gauging...
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WRONG!
The Fusion is a much smaller car than the 500.
The Fusion is actually a Mazda 6 with different sheet metal and your "groaty" looking wood panels. Even has the Mazda four banger in the base stock model. That said, the Mazda version is still much better.
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RE: This car is a POS - 2/9/2006 12:50:39 PM
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Will the Thrill
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If anyone really cares, here is a list of Jatco's major customers as listed on their website. I would find out who owns them, but I don't really care.
NISSAN MOTOR CO.,LTD.
MITSUBISHI MOTORS CORPORATION
MAZDA MOTOR CORPORATION
FUJI HEAVY INDUSTRIES LTD.
MITSUBISHI FUSO TRUCK & BUS CORPORATION
ISUZU MOTORS LIMITED
NISSAN DIESEL MOTOR CO.,LTD.
SUZUKI MOTOR CORPORATION
BMW AG
VW AG
LAND ROVER GROUP LTD
HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY
KIA MOTORS CORPORATION
JAGUAR CARS LTD.
GM DAEWOO AUTO & TECHNOLOGY COMPANY
LONDON TAXIS INTERNATIONAL
FORD-WERKE AG
RENAULT SAMSUNG MOTORS CO.,LTD.
FORD LIO HO MOTOR CO.,LTD.
HYUNDAI MOTOR INDIA LTD.
CHINA MOTOR CO.,LTD.
PERUSAHAAN OTOMOBIL NASIONAL BERHAD (PROTON)
SHENYANG BRILLIANCE JINBEI AUTOMOBILE CO.,LTD
SAIC CHERY AUTOMOBILE CO.,LTD
SOUTH EAST MOTOR CO.,LTD
HYUNDAI POWERTECH
CHANGAN FORD AUTOMOBILE CO., LTD.
DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION
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