RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 1/30/2006 12:16:12 AM
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Midnight
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I don't think he brain washed and neither am I...
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Those V-6s may have a slight edge on HP, but they fall short in the torque department, and that's what you need most in a truck. I agree, the Dak has the largest towing and hauling capacities of any truck in it's class, and has more grunt. What's not to like?
This sums it up right here... I agree... more torque=good...
We aren't talking about it being "bigger". we are saying it out tows and hauls all the others... using the torque from the V8...
The Dak is also a more heavier/beefier truck...
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 1/30/2006 2:39:33 AM
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Well since I've owned two Dak's....and neither of you have....unlike SinCity.....I'm going to agree with him. I've driven the Toyotas....and while the interior is really crap....they are comparable to the Dakota's in many ways. They have plenty of power under the hood...and they can perform quite well in the hauling bit. Also, NOT everyone and their damn mothers is going to be hauling an 8000lb boat with their truck....
Most people are only going to throw some crap in the back like drywall or dirt and use it for daily stuff....not pulling boats or 6500lb objects. I know I pulled two things with my truck in 18 months of having it....but I threw a bunch of dirt and drywall in the bed....and while my Dakota hauled more in the bed then a Tacoma would.....it wasnt such a large number that I was doing backflips over...
I loved my Dakotas and it's one of the few trucks I would willingly buy, but the current model is sorely lacking and its starting to look and feel more like a fullsize each time I see one or drive one....the only positive about the Dakota is its built like a fullsize truck...but the fact is...it outweighs most trucks in its class by a good 5-800lbs.....
The Tacoma's are a good truck despite the interior. I'll tell you this much.....the current Tacoma X-Runner would in fact be my next truck if I bought one...because the looks are good, and the driving is just as good.
I owned a 3.9L V6 and a 4.7L V8 Dak.....and let me tell you something....the V6 sucked for acceleration and power....and the V8 was a great truck...and I test drove an 05 Dak....and I was disappointed...it felt slower then my 01 Dak......
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ORIGINAL: MidnightBlueNeon
I don't think he brain washed and neither am I...
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ORIGINAL: QuickSilver05
Those V-6s may have a slight edge on HP, but they fall short in the torque department, and that's what you need most in a truck. I agree, the Dak has the largest towing and hauling capacities of any truck in it's class, and has more grunt. What's not to like?
This sums it up right here... I agree... more torque=good...
We aren't talking about it being "bigger". we are saying it out tows and hauls all the others... using the torque from the V8...
The Dak is also a more heavier/beefier truck...
This is gonna sound bad Chase....but you sound like a Mustang GT driver talking about an SRT-4 right there......because bigger doesnt always mean better....nor does it always mean you should be able to do this or do that.... I mean look at the stats on an SRT-4 and then compare it to the GT.....the GT should be walking the SRT-4....but it doesnt.....and the same applies here....
The bottom line that I think most of you are missing....is that the V8 in the Dakota is underpowered for being a V8....there isnt any reason a V6 engined truck should be performing at a similar level to our V8's....in fact....if you look at the H.O. 4.7L V8....the numbers are insulting...would it have killed them to produce maybe a 280hp engine?
2006 Tacoma
4.0-liter DOHC EFI V6 with VVT-i
236 hp @ 5200 rpm
266 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm
2006 Dakota
4.7-liter Magnum® V8 engine produces 230 horsepower at 4,400 RPM and 290 pounds-feet of torque at 3,600 RPM.
4.7-liter V8 high-output engine makes 260 horsepower at 5,200 RPM and 310 pounds-feet of torque at 3,500 RPM
How is a V8 only producing a whopping 24 more hp at the same RPMs??? And yeah torque's all the latest rage....but really 44ftlbs is not that huge a gap....and the Tacoma comes with a 4.10 gearing standard on the 4x4....
And honestly, if you really, really needed to haul alot of crap....why in the f*** would you buy a midsize truck that's almost as heavy as a fullsize truck and gets the same frikkin gas mileage as a fullsize? I got my Dakotas because I liked the size and I liked the look....and they did what I needed them to do......but if I had done my homework and could have bought an X-Runner...I would have...
It's time for the Dakota to get the Hemi...
< Message edited by DevilsReject -- 1/30/2006 9:01:36 AM >
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 1/30/2006 11:52:58 AM
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DevilsReject is providing a strong arguemebnt and I agree that the Tacoma is the obvious better choice compared to the V8 Dakota.
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 1/30/2006 12:29:46 PM
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I went back and forth on the Tocoma Vs. Dakota. I found owners complaned alot about the Tocama gas milage in real life it's less then 13 mpg and that 92 octane. And I haven't read a Mag yet thats liked the frame on the Tocoma when it come's to haling and towing. Plus the Tocoma has a plastic bed WTF.
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 1/30/2006 12:56:20 PM
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ORIGINAL: 2coff
I went back and forth on the Tocoma Vs. Dakota. I found owners complaned alot about the Tocama gas milage in real life it's less then 13 mpg and that 92 octane. And I haven't read a Mag yet thats liked the frame on the Tocoma when it come's to haling and towing. Plus the Tocoma has a plastic bed WTF.
Lots of people grumbling about the mpg's on the Daks too...and how you drive and take care of your vehicle will directly affect it.....and if you base your opinions on magazine's.....well...sorry...but that's just stupid...and i would like to think you dont
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 1/30/2006 1:53:24 PM
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I don't relly on mag's alot but when 4 or 5 mention the frame twisting under stress and the fact it's a Toyota and the mag's alway show bias towards them I felt it could be trusted. I also forgot to mention that the Tocoma with the same options was about 2 to 3 grand more then my truck.
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 1/31/2006 4:41:52 PM
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Was wondering if you know anything about the Daytona Rams?
I know for 2005 they made them in go Mango and silver. What about 2006? Are they going to have one and is it Red?
thanks for any light you maybe be able to shed
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 2/2/2006 4:17:00 PM
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This reminded me of the '77 "The night belongs to Charger" ad campaign.
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 2/6/2006 9:58:48 PM
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This should be called the presidential package, my girl thought it was a secret service truck when I showed her the picture.
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 2/8/2006 11:02:43 AM
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I like the package myself but when I went on the dodge site to build a dakota it never came up as an option. I looked for it on all models too? Wonder what the adde cost will be?
Bythe way Quicksilver your team got hosed!
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 2/8/2006 1:35:14 PM
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Your right its not there on the dak for some reason. Its a $950 option on the ram. Yeah because these won't be a hot stolen item.
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RE: Dodge Truck "Night Runner" Package - 4/7/2006 7:17:11 PM
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DevilsReject is providing a strong arguemebnt and I agree that the Tacoma is the obvious better choice compared to the V8 Dakota.
-Matt-
Both of you must research engine dynamics, the V8 gets its power much easier than the V6. The V8 has less compression and less cam lift & duration. The 4.7 Produces almost 50 more lbs of torque 500 RPMs sooner. Its not just Horse power, its the ability to make torque applicable. When it comes to trucks, and towing the Tacoma isnt even close to the Dakota, we set up a 4 door Dakota Truck up against a 4.7L V8 Tundra. The 4.7 in the tundra is rated better at Horse Power, and in torque, but the 4 Door Dakota with a Normal regular output 4.7 had no problem pulling the Tundra straight back in the Tug a truck competition. The dakotas’ structure, safty cage, tongue weight capability, and stability while under loads are far superior to both current Tacos and Tundra’s, and will be until 2007 when Tundra is no longer the size of a Dakota.
Currently the harder the job, the bigger the advantage is for the Dakota period.
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