I have the 6CD Navigation radio in my Charger Daytona, but the map that is included is 10 or more years old. Most of the time it shows me driving through a field even though the streets that I am driving on have been there for 10 or more years! This is not limited to one area, I have traversed about 500 square miles with similar results. Is anyone else having this problem? Would anyone else like to join me in a class action lawsuit against Dodge for false advertising? I have attempted to contact Dodge (REFERENCE NUMBER: 14413809) and the reply was:

"It is the policy of DaimlerChrysler Corporation that we do not publicly discuss specifics of future product plans. "

Sounds like a lack of support for the consumer, I hope the rest of the service does not follow this poor initial response.

lawsuit against Dodge for false advertising?

Dodge doesn't "have" to give you up-to-date anything. You made the choice of purchasing it, and you should have done research or atleast knew what you were purchasing. They don't false advertise, what Dodge does do is adveritise the GPS system itself...never the software.

I agree with you that is bogus, but I don't think suing is right. Most likely you would end up with an out of court settlement if you win, and the problem wouldn't be fixed...


-Matt-

I have had a chance to use the Navigation software from several manufacturers:

TomTom - Good, goofy graphics
Delorme w/GPS - Streets off of actual location by as much as 400 ft, great turn by turn directions, confused when straying from path
Garmin Roadmate- About two year old maps currently, operates well
Microsoft Maps and Streets w/GPS - The Gold Standard - Nearly Perfect
Lexus - in 2004 SC430 - Excellent, even shows dirt roads on my friends hunting lease in South Texas
BMW - Very good
Dodge - Uses a database so old that it could not even be purchased today! What are they thinking.

Very few things make me this upset. When I finally pony up my money, and it is a LOT of money to buy a factory GPS system, it ends up being the the lowest rated device I have ever seen. I would say my Dodge ownership experience is at a very low point right now.

By the way Dodge, other manufacturers offer yearly updates! Lexus updates theirs every October, Mercedes offers NavUpdate yearly, all of the handheld deveices are updated regularly. I guess that just leaves Dodge with useless piece of hardware.

What area are you in where the street info is out of date? Can you consistently repeat the condition, and are there any other areas that you have found outdated?

Houston, Tx

Specifically in the suburb of Katy, TX. The area has experienced some fairly explosive growth over the last 20 years. Some critical infrastructure streets are not shown at all. My travels are from central and southern Texas to Central and Southern Louisiana. At best they show poor data. Don't get me started on the restaurants that have not existed for years that show up. They should just leave that portion off it is so bad.

Proviously I have relied on city maps, and MAPSCO to provide up to date maps which are renewed yearly. City maps more than 2 to 3 years old are fairly useless unless you live in Manhattan. Even when questioning my service advisor, his reply was that there is not any updates thet he knows about, or that are planned for my Dodge GPS system.

Refer to my previous post about Dodge being the ONLY manufacturer not to have an update program available.

What an utter embarrassment!

Does this area show up correctly when using Yahoo Maps?

The roads in question DO NOT show up on YAHOO MAPS. They do show up correctly on MAPQUEST. A matter of fact I cannot find ANY road or location missing on MAPQUEST, it is awesome. Just to be fair, it also DOES NOT show up on GOOGLE MAPS. However it does show up on GOOGLE EARTH. High marks for GOOGLE EARTH, it even shows 4WD (four wheel drive) roads adjacent to the roads in question.

Dodge please call MAPQUEST, send them a check, and bill us for a decent map... and give us what we have already bought but have not recived.

YOUR area might be out of date, but in my area there are roads included that are less than 5 years old.
So, what Im trying to say is that the WHOLE thing isn't 10 years old.

Overload in Colorado

While not the most up to date, my specific street was put in 4 years ago and is on the map disk included by Dodge. But there are other streets in the area that are about 3 years old that aren't, so maybe that's the timeframe it takes for the vendor (Navteq) to update their databases.

give them a break. there are MILLIONS of miles of roads in the USA.

they are probably more worried about areas with heavy population, like Detroit, Chicago or NY

[:@]Guess What?

I just received the NAVTEQ brochure to update my Dodge Indash GPS DVD to 2007 software.

$199.00 $199.00 $199.00 $199.00 $199.00 $199.00 $199.00 $199.00!!!!

Can't you buy a new GPS nowadays for the same amount of money?

Who are they kidding....

Microsoft Streets and Trips is $49.00 and has better information!

'nuff said




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I live right outside of philly and i have only noticed 1 road that was not on the NAV and its about a year old.

O and if you look in the owners manual it says that you hafta contact Apine for updates

i agree with you ix we payed alot for our systems and should have something that 1 works 2 upto date remember that gps system was a 1595 option not something that was a free unit and should thank god we got something free,if im paying top dollar i want top quality.is suing the right option that depends on customer service ,if no satisfaction is givin and results are dismal at best maybe that is the only option.i was a little pissed off myself i was in manhattan looking for a wendys and everyone with the 1 mile was not there in the end i was on my way home hungrey and pissed .on the other hand my wife has a tom tom 300 and that thing kicks a$$ and for only 400 bucks no where near 1595.

This is possibly an option… I’ve seen DVD updates for the factory GPS/NAV system for sale on ebay every now and then; they were like $50 (I would bet bootleg copies).

Just a thought but have you gone back to your dealer and asked them for a newer disc? Im sure you could borrow it and burn a new copy or they might just give you one. That would be a very petty lawsuit and a waste of resources. Maybe you have more $ than cents but whatever. California is suing car manufacturers for green house effect. Your whinen because of the cost of your Nav system just wait! Sue Sue Sue! Just makes the cost of EVERYTHING go up!! This nonsense just gets me rowled up!! TOO MANY LAWSUITS!!!!

I do not advocate suing over something this petty. However I have a memory like an elephant, and choose not ever purchase or specify their products again. If they want to be greedy, and frankly $199.00 fricken dollars is SOOOO GREEDY, then I will get a bootleg. I kinda imagine NAVTEQ as evil, but a goofy evil, like Dr. Evil, in Austen Powers... They can have 0% of $199.00 or 100% of say... $29.00. They chose UNWISELY. Heck, with a community as strong as this, there will be a unauthorized, uncopyrighted, unprofitable, perfectly working copy in every car.

"...Greed is good." (quote by Gordon Gecko from the movie "Wall$treet") No, it is not, when being held hostage by a single vendor.

BOYCOTT NAVTEQ !!!!

CHE !

While I agree that we probably should have received more up to date systems with our units, I doubt it is Navteq's fault. Dodge probably negotiatiated an OEM deal for so many million DVDs at a rediculously low price knowing at the time that it was outdated. Now those of us that are unhappy can at least upgrade. I personally don't feel that the $199 is all that bad. I usually spend $149 a year or so on the TomTom that is in each of my service trucks.

wait i have a solution how about going to the show room look at the new ones then eject the dvd in the new cars then have it fall into your pocket.....:eek:

wait i have a solution how about going to the show room look at the new ones then eject the dvd in the new cars then have it fall into your pocket.....

That would be theft, and I cannot support that. You would have to put it back, after you burned a master to distribute to everyone on the board.

I support you IXLR8, that would not be right.

I want a copy! [sm=lildevil.gif]

I dont even think Katy is 10 yrs old let aloone having updated maps of the city. That town sprung up over night, also waht is the deal w/ people not wearing shoes and socks?

I'm just saying that in comparison to all of the available GPS based in car mapping systems that I compared at the beginning of this year, Dodge has the oldest and least accurate data on their DVD. I plow through a field every morning on the way to work according to the GPS, and the road has existed for the 5 years that I have lived there. There has been a lot of construction in my area over the last 20 years I will give you that. My house is 27 years old, so at least MY street is correct.

NAVTEQ/Dodge could have done a much better job.

What do you think of the Stereo quality of your Sirrius?

I love Sirius but the stereo quality stinks.

The DVD for the Nav system is based on 2003 data. Hardly 10 years old.

I also received the brochure in the mail for the $199 upgrade disc and I agree it's pretty steep. But, keep in mind this is for the entire US. I had a GPS system I bought for the wife's van and it would have cost more than that to download the entire US plus the fact that you had to store the data on an SD card that would require over 8 gigs of memory storage (a card that size would set you back $100 easily plus having to pay for the maps to d/l off the web).

I have 3 Dodge vehicles now with GPS/NAV systems. I'll probably get 1 of the advertised DVD's then burn copies for the other vehicles. For me that's a bargain.

-G-

Katy has been around for years. I use to travel there when I was w/Conoco (early 80s). It was the place to be back then and hasn't changed.

<edit> It hasn't changed in the aspect that it's growing. I'm sure it's different than it was 20+ years ago.

If the current system is based on 2003 data, then it must have taken them 5 years to type it in. I am not doubting your reply, just their information.

Sirius Satellite sound quality? I think is somewhere between AM and FM quality. Fairly poor for a digital system. However if you listen to Howard Stern, his show has excellent audio quality. They must have stolen bandwidth from all of the other 150 stations so that Howard would sound good. Te music sounds to me like an MP3 file recorded at 64Kbit, too low a bitrate for decent audio quality. Why not drop 50 stations, get rid of 20 or 25 pop stations, and replace them with 5 good ones with excellent audio quality with the leftover bits

I am not renewing my Sirius subscription when it expires. The only channels I listen to are the comedy channels 103, 104, 105 and they have commercials! Why am I paying for radio with commercials? Well actually I am not, and I won't. I do not mind the idea of paying at all. Just get rid of the commercials.

Well I have beat this one to death. If anyone gets a new DVD, please post your comments...

what we should do is get someone to buy it and then make copies and spread them around for a nominal fee:D

this might or might not be of any help but my mom has an 05 Chrysler town and country limited with the dvd gps thingie (technical term for it) and we have been all through the southern U.S. with that and all over the state of texas and it has excellent turn by turn directions, if you miss an exit it will automatically reroute you with the next best route, and even in the middle of nowhere in some small town in louisiana we still had correct maps. i dont know if this is the same system or a different system than yall have in yalls cars but it certainly works fine for us. maybe if the systems are the same yall can ask the dealership for a dvd to an 05 T&C and get it working. whenever i take trips in my truck by myself (no gps) i just use mapquest print out a map and then print out a page with turn by turn directions on it and go over them several times before i leave (usually i can memorize them) and have no problems getting there but i understand yalls frustration at spending such a large amount of money and getting something that doesnt work as advertised. good luck getting it straightened out. if yall want ill look tomorrow and see if i can find out what kind of gps my mom has in her van that might help yall out some.

I HVE TO AGREE WITH ONE OF THE POSTERS. I BOUGHT MY 05 CONT. AND THE NAV WAS OUTDATED. I TOLD MY SALESMAN AND HE LOOKED FOR A DIFFERENT DISK OUT OF A DIFFERENT MODLE AND UPDATED MY CAR. THEN HAD THE SERVICE DEPT ORDER ME A NEW ONE. CRAP HAPPENS,SOMEONE COULD HAVE LOADED THE OLDER DISK ON LINE AT THE FACTORY BY MISTAKE.GIVE THEM A CHANCE,MY STEALER(DEALER) WAS QUITE HELPFULL ONCE THEY KNEW OF THE PROBLEM........ STEALER IS A TERM US HD OWNERS USE ABOUT OUR DEALER.[IMG][/ima[sm=bounceybounce.gif]

which version did you get and what did they give you ? look at the last 2 letters ae is the newest version all the dealers seem to have ad

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As long as somone else opened this thread back up... Does anyone have a version newer than AE? If they do, I would like to offer my service to create a backup disk for you in case the original ever gets scratched or damaged.The only charge is your shipping costs to my address, I will courier it back to your house the following day, with the complimentary copy. I understand others have had a difficult time attempting this, but my AE copy has been running in my car since last October. This allows me to store my original at home and not subject it to the extremely hot Texas climate.
Always glad to help.

Sounds like the best bet is to just make the stealership put in an aftermarket system when buying your vehicle.