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turbo question - 5/6/2004 12:05:30 AM   
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I kind of feel odd not knowing this, I think I did know at one point...

But I know Dodge used at least two different turbos on the Daytonas. My own Pacifica has what they called the Turbo 2. Does anyone know what turbos went with each year--etc?

This is kind of random so I apologize, but I really liked the Turbo 2 and may be taking on a new Daytona (mine is just too out of shape for me to bare with I think). So that's why I ask.
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RE: turbo question - 5/6/2004 12:20:51 AM   
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I thought all Pacifica's came with the 2.2L Turbo I's. Does your's have an intercooler next to the radiator on the drivers side with a hose on top going into the air box? I'm not doubting you, I'm just questioning my own knowledge, I've never had any experience with a Pacifica.

The 2.2L Turbo I's were avaliable from '84-'88 I believe.
The 2.2L Turbo II's were avaliable from '87-'90.
The 2.2L Turbo III's were avaliable from '91-'93.
Then there's the 2.5L Turbo from '89-'92 I believe.

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RE: turbo question - 5/8/2004 1:15:05 AM   
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Which turbo was best for performnace and reliability?

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RE: turbo question - 5/8/2004 9:01:10 AM   
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The Turbo II's. The Turbo I's and 2.5L Turbo's were non-intercooled, so they were less reliable. And the Turbo III's had head problems. My Turbo II Shelby Z went 200,000+ miles before any problems occured, and then it wasn't turbo related, it was a wrist pin. The 2.2L Turbo II is the second most powerful and by far the most reliable, as it is intercooled.

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RE: turbo question - 5/10/2004 9:31:46 PM   
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From 1984 thru 1987 Chrysler used a Garrett turbo on all 2.2's. Starting in 1988 the "new" blow thru design 2.2 & 2.5 turbo I models got a Mitsu. made turbo (TOE4). After 1987 the only models that got the Garrett's where the TII, TIII, and TIV with an intercooler (i.e. Shelby Z, Shadow & Daytona VNT, Spirit & Daytona R/T, and anything offered by Shelby except the 1988 CSX-T which got the Mitsu Turbo)

The Mitsu turbo is a good solid unit and spools up allot faster than the Garrett because of its smaller size, but it has problems with spiking at high boost settings. The Garrett is a proven unit and holds steady boost even upwards of 20+ lbs. The Garrett is the best of the 2, but it all depends upon how much boost you are planning on running. If stock boost with a fast spool-up gets your rocks off, a Mitsu maybe the way to go. But if you need a bigger kick in the rear, then the Garrett may be what you want to reach for.

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RE: turbo question - 5/11/2004 6:36:41 PM   
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So if I follow this right, my Daytona ES is a turbo I set-up... so that would meen non-intercooled. But if I did want to intercool the engine, could I use a generic kind of set-up and fabricate mounts to put the intercooler in the front of the radiator? And would it be feasable to run a medium sized intercooler on my car with stock boost?

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RE: turbo question - 5/11/2004 7:11:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: snappyjr

So if I follow this right, my Daytona ES is a turbo I set-up... so that would meen non-intercooled. But if I did want to intercool the engine, could I use a generic kind of set-up and fabricate mounts to put the intercooler in the front of the radiator? And would it be feasable to run a medium sized intercooler on my car with stock boost?



You should have no problem intercooling your car and should be fairly easy to do since your Daytona is already a "draw thru" design. You just need to fab up some custom stuff (intercooler $ plunbing) to do it, or get an 87 and up Shelby Z or Labaron GTC radiator and intercoller combo w/plumbing that would be a direct bolt in peice.

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RE: turbo question - 5/12/2004 6:31:55 AM   
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Yep, or contact Forward Motion for an add on intercooler kit for the non-intercooled turbo cars. Here's a link to them: http://www.forwardmotioninc.com

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RE: turbo question - 5/12/2004 5:13:28 PM   
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Another good place to visit is www.fwdperformance.com . If they don't have what you need....no one does

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RE: turbo question - 5/13/2004 1:21:16 AM   
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Thanks for the link 87Indy500, I've never been there before.

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RE: turbo question - 5/13/2004 6:34:51 PM   
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Arr, I wish I had a turbo on my 3.0L...Dman..i am stuck at 145hp...Arrrr

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RE: turbo question - 5/13/2004 10:38:59 PM   
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Your 3.0L has almost the exact same output has a 2.2L Turbo I, but without any of the turbo lag.

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RE: turbo question - 5/14/2004 5:03:57 AM   
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Only less top end power with the 3.0

But a HELL of a torque Monster out of the hole.

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RE: turbo question - 5/14/2004 12:48:18 PM   
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You people are good at this, lots of knowledge.... I need to get my lights working, then i am gonna try to fab up an intercooler.... thanks for the answers to the questions. One more though (for now) what kind of benefits would you get from putting a manual boost control in the daytona set-up?

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RE: turbo question - 5/14/2004 10:39:33 PM   
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Well for starters you will have the ability of setting the boost to what ever you feel comfortable with running and be able to "tune" your car, for example every day use or a Sunday at the track with a turn of a knob. Plus you will have constant, steady boost. When you add a M.B.C you take away the ability of the comp to regulate the amount of boost. The computer senses atmospheric pressures and air temp to calculate the amount of boost for the current conditions that the car is experiencing. High or low boost conditions depending on what the computer thinks is sufficient based upon the sensor readings. That function would now be the soul responsibility of the M.B.C.

One word of CAUTION! Using a M.B.C does not mean that you can just simply crank-da-boost until you can light up the skins in all forward gears. I would HIGHLY (I can't stress this enough) recommend that you install a boost and EGT gauge to keep a eye on things. You can make a beautiful matching set of 4 cast aluminum "bottomless" ashtrays in the blink of an eye for you friends to marvel at while you putting you car up on jack stands to rebuild the bottom end. So please be smart and spend the money on the gauges first, then on the M.B.C.

Be sure to read up an these pages before you go "ball's deep" on the mods. The 1st link is to a site that explains how to make a safe home made boost controller for about $30 and a Mcmaster Carr or Grainger catalog. Both links are overflowing with the do's and don'ts of 2.2 and 2.5 turbo engines.

http://home.earthlink.net/~turbogus/index-old.html

http://www.thedodgegarage.com/


PS. Sadly Gus Mahon was killed in a motorcycle accident 2 years ago, but the Shelby Dodge community(?) has kept his web site up and running for people to view and learn from his experiences with 2.2 turbo cars. He is the father of the G-valve or Gus-valve, his own version of a M.B.C

Good luck
Troy

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