I think I've read a hundred posts on different Dodge sites talking about the Titan, and people saying how quick it is, how much it can tow,etc. I think a few things need to be clarified.

Nissan did not enter the full size truck market to magically sell 100,000 Titans a month. I think in their "war room" they wanted to come up with a truck NOT to compete with Ford, Chevy, and Dodge, but to steal share from TOYOTA. Nissan knows full well that truck buyers are loyal - and its hard to wrestle them away from their beloved Big 3. We, as domestic owners, always say, "Well imports are cheap, they don't have enough power, they can't tow our toys." A Toyota Tundra, no matter how reliable it may be, has a 0-60 time of 9.3 seconds and can tow 6500 lbs. So, Nissan comes along, and builds a truck that has spec's similar to Ford, Chevy, and Dodge (I have a Quad Cab Hemi 4x4, so I know Ford and Chevy can't compete with my truck, just using this as a comparison).

I believe it is Nissan's goal to wrestle sales away from Toyota first, then go after the Big 3. Ask yourself this, would you buy an imported truck? I wouldn't. 70% of us won't. But for those weekend warriors - who honestly consider buying a Tundra - a Titan is a viable alternative. Consider this: say tomorrow Ford, Chevy, and Dodge were gone and all that was left was Nissan and Toyota. I'd sure as hell buy a Titan over a Tundra any day of the week. That is how Nissan sees it, and that is how import buyers view the truck market.

I've heard rumors Nissan is going to put a 5.5 L diesel in the 2007 Titans. Why? Because no other foreign company offers a heavy duty diesel pickup in America. They are also doing it because that is the weak link in their marketing goals. For example, if you have a business or a fifth wheel, are you going to buy a Titan that can tow 9400 lbs or a 3/4 ton that can tow 16,000 lbs plus? You'd buy the 3/4 ton. If you want to smoke people at the track, are you going to buy a Titan, or spend a little extra and get a Ram SRT10? You'd get the SRT10. Or, if you wanted to buy a fleet of vehicles for your construction company, would you buy 30 Titans fully loaded with every option? Or would you buy 30 stripped down F150's with vinyl seats and manual windows? You'd buy the stripped down truck.

In all reality, I think Nissan has more on the ball than Toyota. Toyota has been in the 1/2 ton market for a while, they offer no diesel, no heavy duty model, and the best their engineering has come up with is a 285 HP IForce V8. Nissan, in their first year, out perform, tow, etc., any Toyota made to date. With rumors swirling about a Titan diesel, that tells you what they are going for. They are trying to be a viable alternative to Toyota. Just like Ford and Chevy go at each other, so will Nissan and Toyota.

I think what Nissan forgets is that within a couple years, we will look back and say, "Wow, remember when we thought a stock truck going 0-60 in 7.7 seconds was quick???" The 2007 Silverados are getting HP boosts, and you can believe Ford and Dodge will counter.

my godfathers company bought 20 titans for their foreman and managers.. they returned them back and bought 10 quad cab hemi's and 10 crew cab silverado's

they said that the ride was VERY un comfertable, and the 4x4 sucked. the guys said that they felt like they were driving a car. and these guys work in vineyards. i sat in one and its feels like its small inside.

a week after i talked to my godfather who got a crew cab silverado. he says this truck owns the titan 10 fold. he said that the titan was a POS! i laughed and agreed.

in most of the imports trucks that iv riddin in it feels like a car.. in my hemi i FEEL like a ****in semi.. i mean i love that feeling. being in power.

one thing i gotta say is **** the world, lets get our gas, and use it how WE want to use it. gah im getting annoyin about how e gotta "do this and that" **** the world. the world owe's us a big fat one.

You all need to wise up. Nissan is not trying to have the Titan become an alternative to a Tundra. They are showing the big 3 that they better look out, because in only 2 years they have developed something that makes the F-150's, Dodge 1500 Hemi's, and Chevy Silverado's look silly. In a few years and with future refinements the Titan will be a real threat. You guys said it yourself, you see alot of talk in your own forums about the Titan. Why do you think that is? You're all gettin' nervous. The Titan is here to stay boys, and its faster than your precious Hemi's.
Obviously I own a Titan, but have owned Ford and Dodge pickups in the past. My Dakota QC 4.7 was a very reliable and solid truck. I am not knocking your choice in pickups, but want to let you guys know you need to face the facts. The Titan will only get better and it doesn't need a badge that says "Hemi" to sell it. Bottom line is the Titan is a superior product that will age like fine wine. See ya.

Coming from a Dodge and now owning a Titan, I will say my Dodge was a good vehicle and never let me down, it had the 5.9 engine. I did have to spend a lot of money to keep it running after the 60,000 mile mark. The Titan is bigger inside and has a more refined drivetrain with a 32 valve engine and 5 speed tranny. The dodge Hemi and Titan are about equall power wise but it ends their. I bought the Titan because it was differant and becuase it was consistantly rated at the top for the full size truck class. I . I always buy what is the best and the Titan beats or meets the big three in all the major catagories. As far as people saying it drives like a car they are just in denial that the Titan is a truck that is acutually fun to drive but at the same time can tow 9500lbs and is availiable with a rearend locker for the ultimate offroading. Go over to TitanTalk.com and find out how many former Dodge, Chevy, and Ford full size truck owners say they could never go back to their old trucks after owning the Titan. That said Dodge and Ford both make good decent trucks but the Nissan is just an awsone, badass truck that ranks even higher. Most Titan owners are well educated and review all the facts when making a vehicle purchase.

Dodge Hemi Nissan Titan

0-30 MPH 2.8, 2.6

0-60 MPH 8.0, 7.6

they said that the ride was VERY un comfertable, and the 4x4 sucked. the guys said that they felt like they were driving a car. and these guys work in vineyards. i sat in one and its feels like its small inside.

Sorry to disagree with you Alex, but the Titan is a very comfortable truck compared to the Ram. I'm not saying the Titan is a superior truck, but the inside is actually bigger I believe or so it felt and it did ride like a car...which is a positive. There's no way it could ever compete against a Silverado either.

#1 Titan, #2 Titan

Trolls?


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forgive me for asking, but why are people that are so gung-ho about their nissans posting on a DODGE board? If you like your truck so much, tell people about it who care. Obviously no one here does. The primary problem for the nissan is that it's butt ugly.

Amen. I have never desired a Titan, and never will. I will ride my friggin' horse around before I buy a Titan. After all, he will pull more and have better traction in the mud than those ugly and sorry impersonations of a real truck.

I have driven several Titans, of which dont come in a single cab mind you, and never was I impressed with them, the insides are made with some of the cheapest looking plastics, stuff is out of place, I did not like the ride at all, kinda mushy for a big truck, the beds jiggle so much they look like they are going to fall off at the next bump... and this is with all of them and is a problem they have had going back to the frontier pick-ups. And one thing they will never be able to over come, they are Nissans. As much as they will try to compete with the big 3 AMERICAN trucks, they will never be one. Buying an american car or truck always has given me the feeling of being proud to buy it even if others thought it to be inferior for one reason or the other. I would buy a Ford or a Chevy before I bought another nissan product again.

And as for the Tundra or any other Toyota product, Toyota is by far a better designed and built vehicle than a Nissan on any given day, the Tundra might not have the most powerful engine in this battle of the big trucks, but I drove and almost bought one after I traded in my Tacoma 4-dr. before I bought the HEMI and if Toyota had been willing to make a deal, I would probly be driving one today. It was a great driver and had more than equal power to the normally equiped V8's from the big 3. And to beat all, with regular upkeep I would imagine getting several hundred thousand miles from the I-force is possible, something that is not commonly expected from any american V-8, and especially none of the ones that I have owned or driven.

Its funny how people have the tendancy to compare the most power or the fastest with the best or the most reliable... take a ferrari, they are fast, comfortable, super stylish and at the top of the heap for exotics but they are not reliable and cost a buttload(every 7500 miles in fact) to maintain, this is why they rarely have alot of miles on them and most spend their entire lives sitting in some rich persons garage lucky to be driven an average of once a month.

And as for my own HEMI versus a Titan, I have yet to find a stock one brave enough to even try to race me, seems to be the only ones that think they are truck enough to do so are the trolls that visit this forum or reside within the protection and comfort of their own.

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your username is an oxymoron


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#1titan?

your username is an oxymoron


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But #2 Titan was appropriate (I know shameless poop joke, I couldn't resist.)

I still maintain that Nissan simply stole thier truck idea from an old Dodge concept truck; the Maxx (and Chevy then stole the name)

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#1titan?

your username is an oxymoron


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But #2 Titan was appropriate (I know shameless poop joke, I couldn't resist.)

I still maintain that Nissan simply stole thier truck idea from an old Dodge concept truck; the Maxx (and Chevy then stole the name)

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i know i mentioned that before. it looks alot alike. nissan hasnt done too bad with their truck. we all know it is underated and they can take hemi 4 doors.

Okay, this is my biggest pet peeve. Why does someone come on here and start throwing around 0-60 times on a full size truck like it means something? Okay, the best Nissan offers is a Titan 0-60 in 7.6 seconds. The best Dodge has to offer is a SRT-10 0-60 in 4.9. Next. When Nissan makes a truck built for speed, then we can argue. Until then, it's meaningless.

We can argue comfort, size, whatever all day long and it will not mean anything. I couldn't drive anything with a Japanese flag as the emblem. Sorry. And I think one guy on here said, "I only drive the best, so I bought a Titan." What makes it the best? Its long track record? Been in production 2 years, numerous brake recalls (you'd think if they could put a cargo carrying system in the bed they'd put large enough rotors to stop the truck).

I'm not saying Dodge is the best thing since sliced bread, every car maker has problems. I'd like to see a more comfortable interior in a Dodge. But I love the styling, power, size, etc. And I don't care how much HP or torque a Titan has, they still sound like a rice rocket when someone pushes on the throttle.

The bottom line is, we drive what we like, but for anyone to say "its the best because it goes 0-60 in 7.6 seconds" is a joke. One thing you will learn in life is that there is always something bigger and faster out there - hence the Ram SRT-10, hell even Ford Lightning is quicker than a Titan. Hell for that matter, a Toyota Tacoma is .3 seconds faster 0-60.

So, when Nissan sells more than 40,000 Titans a year (as a benchmark Ford sells 100,000 F150's A MONTH, so you have a long way to go Titan boys), get back to me. Secondly, if your Titan is best invention since the wheel, why are you on a Dodge website? When someone has a good machine, you don't have to brag about it, people just know. You wouldn't walk up to a Viper or Vette and say your Honda Civic "is quicker 0-10 mph." If a Titan was turning the truck world upside down, you wouldn't have to go on a Dodge website and brag about a meaningless stat that says your truck is 4/10 of a second quicker 0-60. By the way, what is that, a bumper length faster than a Dodge? hahaha

All good points everyone... I'd just like to interject... this is a Dodge Enthusiast Forum... although we welcome all people no matter what they believe, this is still a Dodge site.

~Amanda

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The Titan is here to stay boys, and its faster than your precious Hemi's.


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Dodge Hemi Nissan Titan

0-30 MPH 2.8, 2.6

0-60 MPH 8.0, 7.6

All the talk about the Titan is how it's faster. Bottom line, trucks are not made for speed. They are made for pay load, towing, power and the occasional muddin'. The Titan is SUPER light and I for one, would not like to drive a truck that weighs as much as a Neon. I would want my truck to be big, heavy, tough and beefy.

If you wanna talk fast trucks, the Titan does not compare to the SRT-10's and Lightnings....

In all the tests I've seen, yes the Titan wins in the "fastest" category, or the "most fuel efficent" category. It was the Ram that won "most power", "most torque", "best in towing" or "best in payload". The Ram won the categories that applied to trucks, not fuel efficent cars. The Titan does not compare, power and torque wise and gets whooped in the real truck tests.

You want a light, wimpy, fuel efficent and fast truck... buy a Titan.

You want a big, beefy, powerful, muscular truck that can actually handle a trucks duties... buy a Ram

Basically, you have a proven vehicle here. The Dodge Ram. How long has the Nissan been on the road. Exactly.
Secondly, these are trucks, not sports cars or fine tuned pickups. They are met to haul, go over hills, through mud, snow, you name it. Who cares about 0-60. I know I don't sit at the light and think...hmm...who can i race next with my big old truck. Geesh.
Point of the matter, Dodge is an American vehicle, been in the game for a long time, and has PROVEN its worth.

I totally agree there.

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Coming from a Dodge and now owning a Titan, I will say my Dodge was a good vehicle and never let me down, it had the 5.9 engine. I did have to spend a lot of money to keep it running after the 60,000 mile mark. The Titan is bigger inside and has a more refined drivetrain with a 32 valve engine and 5 speed tranny. The dodge Hemi and Titan are about equall power wise but it ends their. I bought the Titan because it was differant and becuase it was consistantly rated at the top for the full size truck class. I . I always buy what is the best and the Titan beats or meets the big three in all the major catagories. As far as people saying it drives like a car they are just in denial that the Titan is a truck that is acutually fun to drive but at the same time can tow 9500lbs and is availiable with a rearend locker for the ultimate offroading. Go over to TitanTalk.com and find out how many former Dodge, Chevy, and Ford full size truck owners say they could never go back to their old trucks after owning the Titan. That said Dodge and Ford both make good decent trucks but the Nissan is just an awsone, badass truck that ranks even higher. Most Titan owners are well educated and review all the facts when making a vehicle purchase.

Dodge Hemi Nissan Titan

0-30 MPH 2.8, 2.6

0-60 MPH 8.0, 7.6




Look at the facts here is the gear ratios that the Titan has verses the Ram

Ram Titan
1st 3.00 3.83

2nd 1.67/1.50 2.37

3rd 1.00 1.52

4th .75 1.00

5th .67 .83

final drive-ratio

3.92:1 3.36:1

The transmission in the Titan is set up for acceleration purposes and if I remember correctly, the transmission in the Nissan was said to be harsher than the one in the Ram which means that it shifts faster. The only way to guarantee that the engine is indeed "faster" is to switch engines in both vehicles, with the opposites' transmission (although they probably wouldn't mount up anyways).

Also look at how superior the HEMI really is when you consider all the things Nissan had to do in order to so much as compete with it. The ENDURANCE (Titan) engine has twice the number of valves, four times the number of cams DOHC vs. OHV, it has a higher compression ration 9.8 vs. 9.6, and the only disadvantage the ENDURANCE has is the fact that it is 6 cubic inches smaller. Also doesn't the ENDURANCE have variable-valve timing? That helps both fuel economy and power throughout the power and torque band. Technically the Titan should have the advantage since they had the chance to see what Dodge had first so then they could make a few last second tweeks to give themselves an advantage.

Just wait under the MDS HEMI comes out. Any so called the "advantage" the Titan might have is going to disappear. 350 hp and 385 ft-lbs of torque is what I have heard. Another thing the fastest 0-60 time I have ever seen with the Titan is 7.0 seconds the fastest for the HEMI Ram I have seen is 6.8 seconds before any of the "sport" (Rumble Bee, Daytona) models came out.

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The only HEMI powered Ram that I have ever heard doing 0-60 in the 8 second range or less was with the 2500 model, in 8.1 seconds and I would believe in the 3500 model would be slower.

I read in an update in Motor Trend that the Titan has a 0-60 acceleration time of 7.4 seconds for a 2WD model. Under their comparasion of similar trucks. The HEMI powered Ram was listed at 0-60 acceleration time of 7.1 seconds for a 2WD model. That is why I say that it depends on which source you look at. I think the HEMI is superior.

you cant compare the titan to the srt-10. titan to the hemi is a fair comparison . as for the 0-60 times, to many variables. i have raced 2 titans, beat them, raced 2 hemis, beat them, race a lightning, beat him off the line, then by 60 mph, he was gone. there all good vehicles, its simply a matter of preference.

as for the issue of american made, well, i believe most of the hemi parts are made in mexico.

04 hemi
AEM intake
Hypertech

You're all gettin' nervous.

Nervous about what? The only thing to like about a Titan..

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Basically, you have a proven vehicle here. The Dodge Ram. How long has the Nissan been on the road. Exactly.
Secondly, these are trucks, not sports cars or fine tuned pickups. They are met to haul, go over hills, through mud, snow, you name it. Who cares about 0-60. I know I don't sit at the light and think...hmm...who can i race next with my big old truck. Geesh.
Point of the matter, Dodge is an American vehicle, been in the game for a long time, and has PROVEN its worth.



Ho hum. Both of my Dodge's were made in the USA (of parts sourced who knows where). Many of the Rams are made in Mexico. ALL Titans are made in the USA. All of them. The profits go to France, by way of Japan. Dodge's profits go to Germany, by way of Detroit.

So however you want to look at it, the profits aren't sticking around in the USA, but one manufacturer actually has sent jobs to another country. Buy a Titan and you're putting food on an American dinner plate. Buy a Ram and you may be feeding a Mexican instead.

I've got no problems with this, it's just I get sick and tired of the rah rah buy American BS when it's a GLOBAL economy and there isn't really an American company in question here.


That said, if I was looking at getting a 1/2ton for a play truck I'd probably go with the Titan due to the neat features unavailable on the Ram. If I wanted a work truck, I'd get a 3/4ton Ram.

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All the talk about the Titan is how it's faster. Bottom line, trucks are not made for speed. They are made for pay load, towing, power and the occasional muddin'. The Titan is SUPER light and I for one, would not like to drive a truck that weighs as much as a Neon. I would want my truck to be big, heavy, tough and beefy.




Um, the Titan weighs around 5000 pounds, give or take.
How much does a Quad cab Ram 1500 4x4 weigh? About 5200. That's a HUGE difference. :eek:

yeah, i thought the gears were good enough and the hemi was strong about the hp and torque but with chevy, ford, and toyota???....F them, i feel bad already[sm=wtf.gif][sm=vader.gif]btw, my dad is a toyota person with econmy in mind like always

the titans 3.36 gears equate to 4.10 gears on a hemi. put 4.10's on a hemi and then see what happens.

im not going to get into a argument over all this dodge Vs Nissan thing.

What i will say is the comment about Nissan taking toyotas spot light, to ****ing right they should, the tundra looks gash!

Actually, the Titan has more torque than the Hemi-the Hemi has more HP. Although, I'm not so sure. I've seen Hemi's that dyno in the 250 to 260 range, with less than 300 ft lbs' of torque. The Titan's on the other hand, STOCk dyno (between) 260 and 278, depending on the dyno, and OVER 300 ft. lbs' of torque.

And Titan's aren't light-my CC 4X4 with me and just over half a tank of gas weighs 5300 lbs. And the Titan has a larger payload and tow capacity than the Ram QC.

As for speed, I've raced QC Hemi's and they are SLOW! Stock, they can't get out of their own way-sorry to say it. RC's, are a deifferent story, which leads to my next question-how is it the Ram loses so much power going from a RC to a QC-not enough torque.

And as for the 0-60 times, I'd really not take what C&D says-they're quicker than a 7.2 for a 2WD.

So, when all things considered, Titan is the best 1/2 ton truck on the market. That's why they've been winning all the awards.

If you ask me. I really think they should have put more thought into the new ram 1500,2500,3500. i know we are talking 05-down, but the truck is pretty well the same, just different shell. The engine could use more power and torque. Both the hemi and 4.7L. See, i just think it is wrong that a Japanise truck is the best in N.A.

Well, I'm sure it gets expensive for car makers to keep making changes. Dodge is working on changes for the future.

But I like to think Dodge has been motivated by Nissan. I could be wrong, but I don't think so...

You guys are forgetting the most important aspect of a truck. You can play with those numbers all you want, but when i'm looking for a truck i'm looking for something with a sturdy suspension and frame. I dont want something that will fall apart in 5 years. Seeing as dodge has dealt in full size light trucks for years and the jap companies are fairly new in the market, i'm not even 2nd guessing my decision to buy my 2nd dodge truck in a row. Its also amusing that the one guy believes all the hp and torque #s, but when it comes to a published 0-60 time he doesnt. 0-60 times in car and driver are actually corrected values for elevation. If anything they probably list them a little faster than they typically are. And then again you have to look carefully at what zdive65 said. He beat some dodge hemis, he beat some titans.......when you're talking about a 10 hp difference in the two, you're only talking about a 3 or 4% difference. I can go get 15 titan motors and 15 hemi and i guarantee you that some of the hemis are gonna dyno stronger than the titans.

That's what I love about Dodge Ram owners, as soon as one weakness is exposed, they jump to something else.

The motor of the Ram might dyno higher, but it's gotta be hooked to something, and the trannyand drivetrain is what's killing the Ram.
Jap companies,or Nissan, has been making trucks since 1959-not full size ones, but trucks. And as for reliability, we won't talk about Dodge b/c they don't have the most stellar record-transmissions...

And the HP difference between the two is more than 10, Titan has 305hp and the Hemi Ram has 345hp. That's more than 10. And as for the 0-60 times, they're off. Everyone knows that.

Just remember, the Titan may be a Nissan product, but it's made here in America. The Ram on the other hand, is made in Mexico, on top of that, it's parent company, is in Germany-so much for American made!!

Let us not forget that a major part of dodge transmission problems are caused when people change the fluid with something other than mopar atf. And you dodged, forgive the pun, my whole reason for the last message to tell you that a truck is a truck is a truck is a truck. Truck owners care more about the chasis of the truck and how it pulls rather than what horsepower # they claim. And if your titan is all that, pick on a new dodge cummins owner such as myself and when the race is over let me know how my truck looks from the back. As for american made/mexican built. It doesnt matter what nationality the person is that pushes the button on the machine that bores the cylinders......All the button knows is that somebody pushed it.

First, you condradict yourself. You say a truck's a truck, but then talk about racing. And if you want to race your Cummins, I hope it's modified, cuz stock, they're slower than molasses. Well over 17 secs. in a 1/4 mile. A Titan with two flats would beat a stock Cummins. And my CC Titan has more interior space. But the Cummins 2500 strength lies in pulling, and there's no better truck for it! Rumor has it Nissan is looking to contract with Cummins for their TD 3/4 ton. It's just a rumor. I've also heard it was going to be International, which makes the Powerstroke. As long as it's not Isuzu-Chevy's having some issues I hear...But we'll see the outcome of that.

As for the whole fluid change issue, I find it kind of difficult to believe that the tranny issue, that widespread would be related to fluid brand. Nissan is trying that with the Titan, and people are buying it.

As to your comment about truck owners care more about the chasis, then please explain the purpose of the SRT-10? I NEVER see anyone towing with that thing! Not too mention, it's not even 4WD, so not really a work vehicle.

BTW-I work and am good friends with a person who owns a 2004 Dodge Cummins 5.9 TD, and I've driven it, and rode in it, and raced it, so I know, stock they're slow.

Again, towing, different story, but empty, my Titan eats it up!

I didnt contradict myself one single time. Truck owners do want trucks for their robustness, but if all you seem to want to talk about is dyno numbers, then i'm offering an asswhooping with a cummins. its VERY easy to get over 400hp and close to 1000 ft-lbs with a cummins. try mid 14s in the quarter. and thats just a few little gay boltons. is a 14.6 fast? hell no. never said it was, but it'll beat your titan every day and get more mpg to boot. and yes, using anything besides mopar fluid will completly ruin a dodge tranny in about 30,000 miles. if you dont believe that, then its your own fault. if you think your titan is the fastest thing on the road then that's also your own fault. i like my dodges and thats what i'll drive. OR i could cry about the weight issue like you do bc i hope you know how much the cummins truck weighs.

You did cotradict yourself, and just did it again. And dyno numbers are not all I'm talking about. I just asked why is it a truck that has 345 hp dyno's at about 250-270? And your Cummins stock only dyno's around 250/490.

Are trucks about chasis and suspension, or now is it robustness? Make up your mind.

As for the tranny, I see Dodge has a recall for that for every Ram out there for the last two or three years, I saw that on this site, so don't deny it.

You modded youre truck and can only get a 14.6, try again!! There are Titan's running 14.9's with nothing more than an exhaust. The S/C is out, cams are almost done with development, a tuner is also in the works. So, I'd spend more money if you're going to talk smack like that, cuz' mid 14's aren't going to cut it.

IS your truck running mid 14s? No. Will i believe every claim made in a forum? No. Looking up some numbers......Interior volume for titan 65 cubic feet front, 48 cubic feet back. Dodge quad cab 65 cubic feet front, 56 cubic feet back. I guess its in the eye of the beholder. Stock 1/4mile numbers for titan low to mid 15s. Stock for cummins mid 16s. Payload for titan 1453 for 4x4. Payload for cummins 2730 for 4x4. I need to look around on the net and find the 12 valve cummins dually that has nothing more done to it but programmers and a bigger turbo housing and injectors runnins in the low 12s. Lets pour the same amount of money in performance parts on the titan and the cummins and see who comes out on top. Are we talking about stock trucks or are we talking about trucks thats had some tinkering? For the record, a strudy chassis and suspension is ROBUST. dictonary.com try it out. But actually i see an honest question there. why does a truck list at 345hp and dyno at 250-270? well lets see. 345 is power at the crank. 250-270 is power at the wheels. different dynos tell different stories though so who knows how accurate that is. At any rate IF your numbers are accurate and i'm hesitant that they are, thats only a 23% loss in hp for the cummins which isnt bad considering hp is a function of torque and rpms.... only a 20% loss in torque. for a nissan titan (with the chopped off bed) its a 21% loss in torque, but this is where it gets fuzzy. your numbers equate to a 10-15% loss in hp only which is a little difficult to swallow. the trend of 20% would put it to 244 hp. But then you have the hemi motor losing 28% of horsepower. Going back to the 20% trend would be 276 hp. I'll buy the 20%. Thats typical for losses through the transmission, driveshaft, gears, axles, wheels. 28% vs 15%........considering from an engineering viewpoint the drivetrains are close to identical.....nah, not buying it.

First of all, your numbers on interior space are way off-the Titan is larger, and not by just a little, ALOT. So get that straight. The Titan is the exact reason Dodge now has this MegaCab. Interior space.

Let's talk stock. Your Cummins can't hang with a stock Titan, period. You brought up mods, not me. Second, the Cummins runs a 17.4 in the 1/4 mile, stock, and without your mods, I'd hand you your a$$!!

And the 2004 Cummins comes with 385/610. To dyno at 250hp, that's more than a 25%-it's a 33% loss, which is horrible. The Ram Hemi is the same way. So either Dodge is holding back on you guys, or they're lying to America!

As for the Titan loss being less, it is what it is. Check the Titan website's, guys are posting their dynos. Either Nissan is underrating them, or they're tuned pretty well, either way, the numbers don't lie. Guys are getting near 300/370 with the basic mods we have avaialable, which ain't much.

Well those numbers came from motortrend. Maybe you should check out their site. Space is a volume... not just leg room. The nissan does have a big cab... and a really short bed which i'm not a fan of. So you say dodge made the megacab to keep up with the titan? lol. nice. Motortrend doesnt have much on the titan. guess its not the truck of the decade afterall. I think you need to quit bench racing and get on a real track. Look at the numbers on this forum for the trucks in the 1/4 mile. all seem pretty low...too low in my opinion. same with all forums. the nissan forum isnt any different. people undershoot their E.T.s hence more bench racers. the cummins is either a 3/4 or ton which ever you choose. the titan is a 1/2 ton. i would certainly hope it would be faster stock. i dont race my truck. i have bikes for that. but hey you got me...... a 33% loss is horrible........IF a cummins had 385hp. however, as luck would have it, it only is rated at 325hp. Face it. Your nissan is slow and will always be slow. Fast compared to other trucks still isnt fast. sorry..... you know what high 14 second runs are called at the track? BORING.

If the hp on the Cummins is 325, then I stand corrected.

But as for racing, you can say what you want about the Titan, but as slow as it may be, my stock CC will beat ANY stock QC Hemi, period. And that is a fact! So, if mine is slower, which is fine, it's still faster than the Hemi, and way faster than your's stck.

But like I said, mods are coming, and the Titan wil catch up in aftermarket parts. People have already ordered and installed the SC, a cam set is on the way, which by the way for the Titan, is 4 cams. That will boost the HP significantly, plus chips. So, don't be surprised when you're in your circle jerk with your Ram buddies, a Titan doesn't sneak up on ya'!!!

Titan Interior Space

Rear legroom: 1,026mm (40.4")
Rear headroom: 1,026mm (40.4")
Rear hiproom: 1,537mm (60.5")
Rear shoulder room: 1,641mm (64.6")
Passenger volume: 3,568 L (126.0 cu.ft.)
Exterior length: 5,695mm (224.2")
Exterior body width: 2,002mm (78.8")
Exterior height: 1,908mm (75.1")
Wheelbase: 3,551mm (139.8")
Turning radius: 7.0m (23.0')


I tried to find Dodge Ram 2500 Interior Space, rear area, but it's not listed...

Front legroom: 1,041mm (41.0")
Front headroom: 1,039mm (40.9")
Front hiproom: 1,654mm (65.1")
Front shoulder room: 1,702mm (67.0")
Passenger volume: 1,841 L (65.0 cu.ft.)
Exterior length: 5,834mm (229.7")
Exterior body width: 2,029mm (79.9")
Exterior height: 1,875mm (73.8")
Wheelbase: 3,569mm (140.5")
Turning radius: 6.8m (22.3')
Interior cargo volume: 430L (15.2 cu.ft.)
Interior maximum cargo volume: 430L (15.2 cu.ft.)

I ride in the 2500 all the time, I've been in the front and back, and the back is at least 5 to 7 inches shorter. You can say what you want about overall space, but what's most important is leg room for theback seat. Who cares if you have 6 inches or 8 inches of space above your head-it's useless space.

You didnt say leg room to begin with. If you want to change what you said, then thats cool. And youre full of it to say that your stock titan will beat any stock hemi. Those two trucks are so close that you cant legitimately say that. It may beat some and it may be beat by some. If i wanted a truck for speed i would have bought an SRT-10. But if i was really serious about something that goes fast, i would buy a car. Like i said, if you wanna compare apples to oranges with your truck and mine, then what youre saying is as long as you can drive it then it's fair game to race. Step up to the plate with either of my bikes. No titan will be sneaking in anywhere. I dont even know anybody that owns one... not very popular. Maybe its because of their stunning bad looks or nissan's unproven motor and drive train in the long term.

I didn't buy MY truck because it goes fast. It doesn't go fast, just faster than the QC Hemi's. Dodge is the one that markets speed to it's customers. They do an excellent job of it too. But I think they've got people brainwashed, which is good-creates loyalty.
Now your mixing apples and oranges-bike vs. truck. See, this is what Dodge people do-show a vulnerability in their trucks, and they change the subject, or go to the next level. And I can legitimley say that the Titan is faster-tests and tests have proven it. Then, pull a load with both and the Dodge really falls off-lack of torque.

I bought my truck because it's versatility is what I wanted-space, ride, PERFORMANCE, features, all at a better price than the Dodge, Chevy or Ford. And honestly, if I wanted a fast truck, I still wouldn't buy the SRT-10, it's useless except for speed. Small, no 4WD, no versatility, and WAY overproced. I'd buy something for 20 to 25K less, and add about 8K to make it faster than the SRT-10.

As for Titans not being very popular, maybe they aren't, and that's okay with me. I don't know to see my truck everywhere to justify my purchase, I'm very happy with it. But just becasue there's more Dodge's don't make'em better. There's what, 85 million Elvis fans, that doesn't mean he's the best-just they're brainwashed.

Looks are a presonal choice. I don't like the new Dodge's, but the previous body-style, I do. But those trucks were having tranny problems too. As for the Titan, I think it looks good. Maybe you should ride in one, you won't catch on fire, and no one will, or at least, should make fun of you.

I'd have to find one before i could ride in it. Your truck weighs about 4000lbs more than my bike. My cummins weighs about 3000lbs more than your truck. You just backed up what i was saying. Thanks. I agree that dodge advertises speed and does a good job at it when the hemis arent the most powerful thing on the road. So what? People buy what they want to buy. Also you are sadly mistaken to say that the mega cab is the ANSWER to a cab bigger than the dodge quad cab. Dodge makes the quad cab for a reason........sales. Its not based off the old fashioned crew cab of the 80s and 90s with 4 real doors. The dodge quad cab is based on an extended cab which is what a lot of people want. They design things to drive sales. Maybe if nissan didnt have such a big cab their sales would increase. You dont know if it would or not and neither do I. Bigger isnt always better. The hemi motor has an incredible reputation from the muscle car era and it will continue to have a great reputation for the efficiency of the engine. There is a lot of potential in a hemispherical chamber that hasnt been unleashed yet. Why do you think all drag cars have hemispherical heads? A big reason for this "lack of power" is the government. Manufacturers are required to meet certain mgp regulations for their fleet. Nissan makes mostly smaller vehicles and can afford to make a gas guzzling truck. I am a mechanical engineer and understand the business world. If sales are up, why even try to be the most powerful? The name is driving the sales and if i'm the sales VP i have my feet propped up on my desk right now. When dyno numbers are the deciding factor in sales, then I put more power in the hemi. I avoid over engineering anything. When you dont need a gob of power to make sales, then dont put it in the motor yet. Dodge has set themselves up a platform that they can build on for years to come. Much like the viper. with 8.2 liters of displacement, sure its getting beat by the narrowest of margins by this year's corvette, but with that much displacment, the viper can very easily come out with 300 more hp in a years time......Dodge has always come through on some of the meanest looking vehicles around. Also tends to raise the bar for other manufacturers to follow every year. e.g. the viper, srt-10, srt-4, even the durago and jeep cherokees when they put v-8s in them. And lastly, that first 0.5 -1.0 second off your E.T. is easy to get. Let me know when you see how hard it is to get that other second you'll need. And put the thing on the track to find out, dont say what it can run from looking at forums. My coworker did that with his acura rsx-r. For the "mods" he had, the forum guys claimed high 13s on stock rubber. He went to the track and barely pulled a 14.6

Wow, so the Titan boys think their truck is the best. And the Ram fellas think their truck is the best. Why am I not suprised? Haha...

I have no problem with this thread except the fact that people are bashing the Titan for being Japanese. It is designed, made in, and sold in (only) America. That's more than I can say for Ford or Chevrolet. I believe in supporting the American economy just as much as the next guy, but let me tell you that >50% of things in your house aren't made in America. >70%+ If you're a Ford of Chevy truck driver haha.

BTW my Titan ran a 14.9 with intake/cat-back only. They're not speed demons but I can take most of the little ricers who bug on my bumper.
-Cyrus

I didnt say anything about who made what except that the button doesnt know who is pushing it. Engineering principles apply in all nationalities. Chevy/ford/dodge are american owned. I never said they were 100% in america. i hope they are made in japan. the japanese seem to have their stuff together. I figured you were another titan boy. As i've said in another response.......some titans will beat some hemi dodges and some hemi dodges will beat some titans. Live with that. And quit racing stock trucks. It bores the people at the track. YES i consider a catback exhaust and cold air intake pretty much stock.

On the TV show 'Autoline Detroit' they had as their interview the british born guy who is the head of auto testing for Consumers Reports magazine, who formerly worked at Nissan USA for many years.

One topic they discussed was the problems Nissan has been having at the Canton MS plant that builds the Titan - how Carlos Ghosn ordered a "swat team" of 200+ Japanese engineers to go there and try to work out some of the quality problems that were showing up on the Titan and the Armada.

Despite all these efforts the Consumer's Reports guy said that top people at Nissan were admitting that the quality problems were still not totally solved, and that they hoped that the next model year Titan would have some changes that would 'design out' some of the assembly quality issues. Brake problems, squeaky panels and differential failures were mentioned.

The Titan is an impressive first effort, but my opinion is to wait at least another model year before buying that truck since Nissan's top brass is not satisfied with the present model.

I was over at the Titan site.......they have a thread on problems with the rear axles.....there are alot of Titan owners that have bad rear ends and a number of them more than once plus there is a major issue with brakes. I would have a concern with that if I am towing a travel trailer. There is also complaints of premature rust on the inside of the bumpers. If I were a Titan owner, I would be p---ed off. Apparently they are saying insufficient oil in the rear end and are trying larger differential covers to see if they can correct the problem. The only reason I am replying to this thread is that I see alot of Titan owners trashing our Rams when they have enough problems on their own. Yes some of us do trash theirs too. I bought my truck because it suits my family comfortably, looks good and hauls a--!!! It works for what I use it for and has a larger bed than the Titan. I have never had a problem with it other than the weatherstrip on the front doors and with the new revised weatherstrip it has cured the problem completely. As for me....if you can't Dodge it Ram it!!!!

Dodge Rams have had problems for the last 10 years. Nissan is having some minor teething issues. And as we all know, everyone hears of the problems more than the good stories. I have OVER 20K miles, and other than the brake issue, no problems. It runs like a champ.

AS for having major issues at the plant-BS!!! CR's are so biased anyway. BTW-how many Dodge's are on the recommended list-I know the Ram's not. They (CR and the 'swat team') need to visit the Mexicans down in Mexico putting together YOUR Dodge.

The Rams "major" problems no longer exist. The Ram is built in Mexico, AS WELL AS the United States.

ORIGINAL: horatio102

Um, the Titan weighs around 5000 pounds, give or take.
How much does a Quad cab Ram 1500 4x4 weigh? About 5200. That's a HUGE difference. :eek:=

2005 RWD Titan weighs 4800 lbs, not 5,000... and no where did I say HUGE. Way to put words in my mouth.

If you are gonna talk about racing trucks. You must go with RWD. There is a reason why trucks come in 4WD, and it's not racing.

Titan: light, fast, nice interrior, good gas milage

Ram: beefy, powerful, great design, rugged

Finally: I don't know why you Titan owners are over here at a DODGE site, called DODGEforum.com, constantly trying to tell DODGE owners, that their DODGE is not as good as the Titan. You aren't going to make them think otherwise.

THey laughed him off the nissan site when he thought he bought a double cab titan and thinks its a race car.

For all the Nissan Titan owners.



MSN's BEST & WORST
http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4023544&src=LP%20pickups

These 2006 models earned the highest and lowest Predicted Reliability Ratings, based on CR's 2005 reliability survey. Models marked with "(2005)" have been redesigned for 2006. Vehicles marked with an asterisk "*" indicate data is based on one model year only.

MOST RELIABLE PICKUP TRUCKS: Honda Ridgeline*, Toyota Tundra
LEAST RELIABLE PICKUP TRUCKS: Nissan Titan , Chevrolet Colorado (4WD), GMC Canyon (4WD)



There you have it... The Titan is the least reliable truck in the world...

ORIGINAL: MidnightBlueNeon


There you have it... The Titan is the least reliable truck in the world...




and the worst looking!

I was wondering when i was going to get some help.

ORIGINAL: MidnightBlueNeon

For all the Nissan Titan owners.



MSN's BEST & WORST
http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4023544&src=LP%20pickups

These 2006 models earned the highest and lowest Predicted Reliability Ratings, based on CR's 2005 reliability survey. Models marked with "(2005)" have been redesigned for 2006. Vehicles marked with an asterisk "*" indicate data is based on one model year only.

MOST RELIABLE PICKUP TRUCKS: Honda Ridgeline*, Toyota Tundra
LEAST RELIABLE PICKUP TRUCKS: Nissan Titan , Chevrolet Colorado (4WD), GMC Canyon (4WD)



There you have it... The Titan is the least reliable truck in the world...


Not only that, the Nissan Armada is listed as least reliable large SUV and the Nissan Quest was one of the least reliable minivans. Come on Nissan, get it together.:D LOL

If you look up the reliability ratings Dodge Ram scores 8-8.9 out of 10 from experts and users.:D

I used to have a TITAN.Igot rid of it on the 12/10/05.I bought a silver daytona reg. cab.The nissan will run.I think they put all of their money into the drive train,except for that rear end.The squeaks and rattles finally got to me.The dealer service departments of most nissan dealers dont know anything about the trucks that they build.They are also very hesitant about fixing anything.Nissan had better get their act together because word of mouth can make or break a company.[:o]

welcome to Mopar world:D

Thanks,I am enjoying the truck so far.

well I am sick of the god damn cracked feakin' dashes of the 2nd gen truck. and if chrysler won't fix it my next new truck WILL BE A TITAN.

Good luck with your Dodge. I guess you went for speed over realiability. Good luck with your purchase, I hope six months from now you're signig the same tune and not trying to get rid of your Dodge, saying the same thing...

As a Dodge Ram owner/driver/enthusiast people will more than likely discount anything I say as being bias partial to Dodge.....but there is one thing that I am definitly biased about and thats being an American.
With trade deficits and American vs. Japanese making trucks (Surprised Germany hasn't tried yet, they are definitly eating up the high end SUV market) I will always go for an American owned company before I dream of owning a Nissan Titan or a Toyota Tundra. I don't care if the price IS less, or the truck IS faster, or even if it IS more powerful, roomy, or has a chair that massages my nether regions....
When I was 16 I bought my first vehicle. A Chevy S-10 Blazer.....I loved it, and cherish the memories of destroying it with wild fun in high school days. On the back window I had a sticker that read I would rather push a Chevy than drive a Ford.
In this day and age I think we need to be more concerned with taking our hard earned money and putting it into companies who have been building us trucks that are tough, proven and definitly the highest quality, be it a Dodge, Ford or Chevy, Preferably a Dodge.

I know the argument, Nissan is built here in the States and that money is going back to the workers....B.S.
Nissan is like Nike, making shoes in China and exporting them all over the world, getting fat of the backs of a few workers...at least Nike doesn't claim to be helping the American people. Nissan is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Let's leave truck building to the guys who know how to build trucks.

One more thing....I know what some of you are saying....But some of those trucks are built in Canada and Mexico. True, but remember this, Canada and Mexico BUY our trucks too. How many Fords, Chevy's and Dodge's are running around in Japan, Korea, China.....Well, while stationed in Korea I traveled to Japan and Hong Kong....and I missed my trucks.

Just some food for thought.........If you've read this far....thanks for hearing me out.

ORIGINAL: Ronnie Lee

One more thing....I know what some of you are saying....But some of those trucks are built in Canada and Mexico. True, but remember this, Canada and Mexico BUY our trucks too. How many Fords, Chevy's and Dodge's are running around in Japan, Korea, China.....Well, while stationed in Korea I traveled to Japan and Hong Kong....and I missed my trucks.

Just some food for thought.........If you've read this far....thanks for hearing me out.


Something you need to keep in mind is that most Asian and even European countries dont build very large streets for cars. Especially in Japan. I'm not saying you wont see these full size trucks over there, but you have to keep in mind that there are alot of Ford/GM/DCX subdivisions for overseas vehicles. I mean, Mercedes has been producing work trucks over in Europe and Asia for years. Volkswagen and Volvo also have been a huge factor overseas compared to the American companies. I mean, you dont see everyone over here driving Mercedes, BMW, and VW. Over there, its a common occurence. My point is that a majority of the people overseas do not use pickups on a regular basis the way we would. Also, there are more car based pickups like the Ford Ranchero and the Chevy El Camino. In Australia, they actually have a Monaro (Pontiac GTO) based car pickup. All things considered, it looks better then most the car styled pickups I've seen.

Granted, Toyota and Nissan arent the big 3......but I tell you what....they have really proven alot to me as far as trucks go. I honestly would buy either of their brand trucks over anything not named a Dodge, and depending on the model, I might even buy one over a Dodge.

I understand your reasoning and opinion, and I support it to a point, but don't belittle them just yet. They havent had the 80 yrs to develop trucks like Ford, GM, and Dodge have. They've never really needed them. And as much as I hate the Ridgeline's looks, it's actually a decent performing vehicle. Granted, you wont be doing much in it as far as hauling, but some people really dont need to haul much.