View Full Version : Mopar Performance Stages 1, 2 & 3


LilSparkPlug
07-29-2005, 08:57 PM
Everything you want to know is right here. Any other posts down below related to questions already answered here will be deleted.

THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS FROM MOPAR'S OFFICIAL WEBSITE

Stage 1:

For 2003 SRT-4s includes:
577cc/min Injectors
Upgraded PCM

For 2004-2005 SRT-4s includes:
Upgraded PCM

What does Stage 1 do??
- Increased WOT and part throttle boost
- Improved Turbo Response
- Boost hold feature during WOT shifts
- Enhanced 1st gear boost schedule for a higher performance launch
- More aggressive exhaust note during deceleration
- Optimized calibration for the MOPAR Performance Blow Off Valve conversion kit
(sold separately)

Expected performance according to Mopar's website (varies from vehicle to vehicle +/-)
240 hp @ 5200 rpm
260 ft-lbs @ 2400-4400 rpm

Price from Mopars website and part numbers:
$399.00
PN: P5007862 (2003)
PN: P4510592 (2004)
Part numbers and pricing for 2005 model-year vehicles will be announced soon.


Stage 2:

For 2003-2005 SRT-4s includes:
(1) Stage 2 PCM
(4) +30% Fuel Injectors (682 cc/min)
(1) Wastegate Actuator
(1) 3.0 bar TIP Sensor
Turbo Toys (optional)

What does Stage 2 do??
- Increased WOT and part throttle boost. To develop additional peak power and peak torque for the Stage 2 package, the boost was increased for wide-open throttle (WOT) conditions. The boost was also raised for part throttle conditions to enhance the drivability.
- Improved turbo response. The Stage 2 turbo wastegate control was retuned for better turbo response. Not only will the Stage 2 deliver more torque and power, it will also deliver it faster.
- Boost hold feature during WOT shifts. Keep the pedal to the metal, blip the clutch, and grab the next gear. Do it fast enough before the redline, and your reward will be a zero-lag, constant boost shift.
- Enhanced first gear boost schedule. The maximum boost in first gear is increased to deliver more torque and power to the road for a higher performance launch.
- More aggressive exhaust note during deceleration. More pops, snaps, and burbles during closed throttle decelerations and between shifts.
- Optimized calibration for the Mopar Performance Blow-Off Valve. (Sold separately). The Stage 2 kit has improved the functionality, and the audible performance of the integrated re-circulation valve with the BOV conversion kit in mind.
- Increased Rev Limit. The Stage 2 calibration increases the engine redline to 6500 RPM from 6200 RPM. Stage 2 Turbo Upgrade Kit Performance.

What are Turbo Toys, What does it include, and What does it do for my SRT?
Turbo Intercooler Sprayer- The four fine mist water spray nozzles attached to the front mounted intercooler are activated by the 3-position blue rocker switch located on the Turbo Toys bezel. Off – No spraying will occur in the off position.
Auto – This mode uses an algorithm in the PCM to optimize charge air cooling with minimum use of fluid. The PCM monitors vehicle speed, ambient air temperature, charge air temperature, and throttle position to determine when to spray the intercooler.
Manual – This mode is activated when the switch is fully pressed down. The result is a constant spray of water upon demand. The sprayers will stay on continuously while the switch is held down and will remain on for a short time after the switch is released.

The intercooler sprayers increase the efficiency of the intercooler and reduce charge air temperature, resulting in increased engine performance. The blue indicator lamp will illuminate whenever the system is spraying.

NOTE: Distilled water is the recommended fluid for the intercooler sprayers. Use of the intercooler spray system is not recommended in driving conditions that warrant use of washer solvent.

Dial-A-Boost Switch- Fill the tank with 100 (R+M)/2 octane unleaded fuel, press the red switch located on the Turbo Toys bezel, and discover instant torque and power gains. The PCM will increase spark advance and adjust fueling to take full advantage of the 100 octane unleaded fuel. The red indicator lamp will illuminate when High Octane Mode is active.

During High Octane Mode operation, the PCM prevents damaging detonation via the OEM knock detection system. High Octane Mode will be bypassed if damaging knock is detected. The red indicator lamp will blink when High Octane Mode is bypassed. Spark advance and fueling are returned to standard levels in bypass mode. The blinking indicator light can be turned off by pressing the red High Octane Mode switch. Entering bypass mode is an indication that higher octane fuel is required.

NOTE: It is recommended that the level of premium fuel be as low as possible when adding high octane fuel. The tank level should be reduced until the low fuel indicator is blinking and filled completely with 100 (R+M)/2 octane unleaded fuel before the High Octane Mode is engaged. The use of leaded fuels will cause damage to the vehicle’s catalytic converter and oxygen sensors.

More Components... (1) Switch Bezel
(1) Pump
(1) P-Clamp
(1) Screw 1/8” X ¾”
(4) Water Jet Nozzle
(2) Water Jet Bracket
(1) Water Jet Bracket Strap Tie kit
(12ft) 4mm Nylon Tubing
(2ft) 6mm Nylon Tubing
(1) Check valve
(1) Water Filter
(1) Connector 6mm-4mm
(1) Connector 10mm-6mm
(1) Connector 4-way 4mm
(1) Washer Bottle Grommet
(12) Band Tie
(1) Bond All Gel
(1) Wiring Harness

Expected performance according to Mopar's website (varies from vehicle to vehicle +/-)
265hp @ 5200rpms
280ft-lbs @3600-4800rpms

280hp @ 5200rpms (utlizing Turbo Toys and High Octane Mode)
300ft-lbs @ 3600-4800
* Optional Mopar Performance Cat-Back Exhaust System (P4510461) required to achieve these power ratings.

Price from Mopars website and part numbers:
$1599
PN: P5007863 (2003-04)
Part numbers and pricing for 2005 model-year vehicles will be announced soon.

NOTE: The Stage 2 Turbo Upgrade Kits have not been emission certified or submitted to CARB for emissions exemption. Therefore, vehicles with Stage 2 Turbo Upgrade kits are intended for closed-course driving only.

Stage 3:

For 2003-2005 SRT-4s includes:
- Stage 3 PCM with Block-Off Connector
- TD05HR-15GK2-10cm2 Turbo Unit and Manifold: 16% larger compressor wheel diameter to flow and compress more intake air, 19% -larger turbine wheel diameter to flow more exhaust gas and reduce back pressure, 67% more turbine scroll area for reduced back pressure
- TiAl (Titanium Aluminide) Turbine Wheel with significantly less rotational inertia than the standard Inconel steel; less inertia results in reduced turbo lag and better turbo response.
- High-Flow (180 lph 75 psi) Fuel Pump Module
- Pressure Regulated Fuel Rail Assembly with 4.0 Bar Returnless Regulator and Hose Kit
- (4) 682 cc/min Fuel Injectors*
- 3.0 bar MAP Sensor*
- 3.0 bar TIP Sensor*
- Turbo Toys Hardware and Components*

* Not included in the Stage 3 Add-On Kit. <- Also available discluding the aforementioned items with asteriks

What does Stage 3 do??
- Increased WOT and part throttle boost
- Boost hold feature during WOT shifts
- More aggressive exhaust note during deceleration
- Optimized calibration for the Mopar Performance
- Blow-Off Valve Conversion Kit (P4510548—sold separately)
- Increased rev. limit from 6240 RPM to 6500 RPM

For maximum power and torque, the Stage 3 Turbo Kit will be the ultimate upgrade for your SRT-4. The Stage 3 Turbo Upgrade Kit (with and without Turbo Toys) boosts power to an awesome 310 hp at 5600 rpm and 325 ft.-lbs. of torque at 3200–4800 rpm. The Stage 3 Kit with Turbo Toys in high-octane mode increases power to an amazing 355 hp at 5200 rpm and 365 ft.-lbs. of torque at 3200–4800 rpm! The Mopar Performance Cat-Back Exhaust System (P4510461) is required to obtain these power figures.

What are Turbo Toys, What does it include, and What does it do for my SRT?
Turbo Intercooler Sprayer- The four fine mist water spray nozzles attached to the front mounted intercooler are activated by the 3-position blue rocker switch located on the Turbo Toys bezel. Off – No spraying will occur in the off position.
Auto – This mode uses an algorithm in the PCM to optimize charge air cooling with minimum use of fluid. The PCM monitors vehicle speed, ambient air temperature, charge air temperature, and throttle position to determine when to spray the intercooler.
Manual – This mode is activated when the switch is fully pressed down. The result is a constant spray of water upon demand. The sprayers will stay on continuously while the switch is held down and will remain on for a short time after the switch is released.

The intercooler sprayers increase the efficiency of the intercooler and reduce charge air temperature, resulting in increased engine performance. The blue indicator lamp will illuminate whenever the system is spraying.

NOTE: Distilled water is the recommended fluid for the intercooler sprayers. Use of the intercooler spray system is not recommended in driving conditions that warrant use of washer solvent.

Dial-A-Boost Switch- Fill the tank with 100 (R+M)/2 octane unleaded fuel, press the red switch located on the Turbo Toys bezel, and discover instant torque and power gains. The PCM will increase spark advance and adjust fueling to take full advantage of the 100 octane unleaded fuel. The red indicator lamp will illuminate when High Octane Mode is active.

During High Octane Mode operation, the PCM prevents damaging detonation via the OEM knock detection system. High Octane Mode will be bypassed if damaging knock is detected. The red indicator lamp will blink when High Octane Mode is bypassed. Spark advance and fueling are returned to standard levels in bypass mode. The blinking indicator light can be turned off by pressing the red High Octane Mode switch. Entering bypass mode is an indication that higher octane fuel is required.

NOTE: It is recommended that the level of premium fuel be as low as possible when adding high octane fuel. The tank level should be reduced until the low fuel indicator is blinking and filled completely with 100 (R+M)/2 octane unleaded fuel before the High Octane Mode is engaged. The use of leaded fuels will cause damage to the vehicle’s catalytic converter and oxygen sensors.

More Components... (1) Switch Bezel
(1) Pump
(1) P-Clamp
(1) Screw 1/8” X ¾”
(4) Water Jet Nozzle
(2) Water Jet Bracket
(1) Water Jet Bracket Strap Tie kit
(12ft) 4mm Nylon Tubing
(2ft) 6mm Nylon Tubing
(1) Check valve
(1) Water Filter
(1) Connector 6mm-4mm
(1) Connector 10mm-6mm
(1) Connector 4-way 4mm
(1) Washer Bottle Grommet
(12) Band Tie
(1) Bond All Gel
(1) Wiring Harness

Expected performance according to Mopar's website (varies from vehicle to vehicle +/-)
310hp @ 5600rpm
325ft-lbs @ 3200-4800rpm

355hp @ 5200rpm (utlizing Turbo Toys and High Octane Mode)
365ft-lbs @ 3200-4800rpm


Price from Mopars website and part numbers:
Stage 3's price on Mopar's website is still TBA. The kits will run around $3000 if not more so, and are the kits with the longest wait period for delivery. Part numbers are as follows:
*P5007864 Stage 3 Turbo Upgrade Kit — with Turbo Toys SRT-4 (2003–04)
*P4510338 Stage 3 Turbo Upgrade Kit — without Turbo Toys SRT-4 (2003–04)
*P4510339 Stage 3 Turbo Upgrade Add-On Kit—for vehicles with Stage 2 Turbo Upgrade Kit SRT-4 (2003–04)

Part numbers and pricing for 2005 model-year vehicles will be announced soon.

NOTE: The Stage 3 Turbo Upgrade Kits have not been emission certified or submitted to CARB for emissions exemption. Therefore, vehicles with Stage 3 Turbo Upgrade kits are intended for closed-course driving only.


THESE ARE MOPAR PERFORMANCE PARTS WHICH CAN AND MAY VOID YOUR WARRANTY

PONY KILLER
08-04-2005, 01:33 AM
Good input! But since we question the original stage 0 rating of 230 at the fly how are we supposed to inturpet this info from the same source? I've seen the low end stage 0 listed at 220 whp. With a 17% loss in the transfer to the wheels that would put the fly wheel output closer to 260 hp. This is one reason why real world input would be nice! If you test the srt on a dyno with no airflow in front on it you will not get a real number. cooling the boost is critical to get correct hp #'s. Because (Dah) the turbo heats up the air and hot air is less able to produce power so if lets say you get rid of the cooling systems built into the srt now you got dodge #'s. so what do doges #'s mean on every stage? Now let me go on, is everyone supposed to read all prior posts so as to not be redundant? If so then this forum is more of a document to be studied than a disscusion. gotta go, spell check on this site would make all your'e lives easier since i can't spell.

LilSparkPlug
08-04-2005, 03:24 AM
The real world input on the horsepower to the wheels and flywheels of these vehicles is car specific.

I've known of some 04's to only put 217hp to the wheels. While others are flying around 242-248 to the wheels. Thats why I put dependent upon the car, and supporting mods. Those are mopars numbers.

We all know they underrate themselves. Its a given at this point.

And Im not too sure about removing the cooling systems. The engine runs intercooled at around 200/210 degrees in good old Rhode Island. Removing those systems would kill and overheat instantaneously before any power notes could be taken.

And the reason for these stickies is so that people can converse about these topics in ONE post. We've had way too many posts about the same exact thing within the past two months that between around 10 or more of us redundantly replying it gets annoying. So its put up here, any questions we can all discuss it here, that way its kept in the same thread, and we can move around the topic freely.

It is in fact a discussion board. But how many times can you possibly discuss what Stage 1 is, (2, 3) and what they do before you start getting Mopar Staged Carpal Tunnel due to redundant explanations? ;)

GLH
09-04-2005, 02:11 AM
so is the stage 2 upgrade kit street legal?

black4
09-04-2005, 04:36 AM
hes got jokes.[sm=chairshot.gif]

xxrillixx
09-05-2005, 01:53 PM
P4510910 *NEW! Stage 1 Turbo Upgrade Kit (2005 only SRT4) $399.00

P4510911 *NEW! Stage 2 Turbo Upgrade Kit — without Turbo Toys (2005 only SRT4) $999.00
P4510912 *NEW! Stage 2 Turbo Upgrade Kit — with Turbo Toys (2005 only SRT4) $1599.00

P4510913 *Stage 3R Turbo Upgrade Kit — without Turbo Toys (2005 only SRT4) $3499.00
P4510914 *Stage 3R Turbo Upgrade Kit — with Turbo Toys (2005 SRT4) $4199.00
P4510915 *Stage 3R Turbo Upgrade Add-On Kit (2005 only SRT4 w/Stage 2 Turbo Upgrade Kit) $2999.00

Found at: http://mopar.com/m_perf_subcat1.jsp ->Turbo Upgrade Kits

Plus there is ALOT more info (suspension, single parts instead of kit, etc) ... just thought you might like to add. :)

xxrillixx
09-05-2005, 02:07 PM
Also... not sure where this should go... it didnt fit any other sticky's

ACR Package info...
The newly minted ACR package will hunker the SRT4 down and have it turning on a dime for an extra $1195 over the base SRT4's $21,195. Considering the list of mods starts with superlight sixteen-inch BBS wheels and 225/45ZR-16 BFGoodrich KDW2 tires, the rest of the package is virtually free. Five-way adjustable Tokico dampers, rear tension strut, larger front antiroll bar, spare tire and wheel, and seats that will accommodate shoulder harnesses complete the package.

Found at: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/sedans/0505_dodge_srt4_acr/

LilSparkPlug
09-12-2005, 02:28 AM
That works right there hunn :D

Good post. Any other pricing that you guys can find around thats cheaper than Mopar's would probably help alot of people who don't feel like searching, or dont know how to search out.

flameredsrt
09-27-2005, 01:01 PM
So this is a little of the subject but hopefully someone can answer this for me. i ran into a fellow srt owner and he told me that you have to buy the stage 1 kit before you can go stage 2. I can not figure out how that works stage 2 comes with everything that stage 1 has so is it true or should i just get the stage 2 and not worry about it?

LilSparkPlug
09-29-2005, 01:01 AM
Nope you dont have to do that at all.

You can just buy Stage 2, install it and head on your way. :D

got boost?
10-05-2005, 12:38 PM
If you are looking for the Mopar Staged upgrade kits Modernperformance.com has them cheaper than the Mopar website. Heres the listed prices:

Stage 1: $334.99
Stage 2 (w/o Toys): $859.99
Stage 2 (w/ Toys): $1389.99
Stage 3 (w/o Toys): $3019.99
Stage 3 (w/ Toys): $3624.99

Shipping for them ranges from $10-$35. So all in all not bad... as long as your wife doesn't find out :)

2.4neon
11-03-2005, 03:32 PM
i bought all 3 stages, ive got an empty wallet, but a big grin on my face!:D

flameredsrt
11-03-2005, 03:51 PM
Why did you buy all 3?

LilSparkPlug
11-04-2005, 12:40 AM
Good question...why the hell would you do that?

wordslayer
11-04-2005, 02:26 AM
Hmmm,,,,odd as hell, but whatever gets you to stage 6 is fine by me.

LilSparkPlug
11-06-2005, 03:43 AM
Stage 6 is the ultimate....:eek:

got boost?
11-07-2005, 05:26 PM
Kinda like "WARP SIX SCOTTY"... poor Scottish bastard just died too :(

black4
12-06-2005, 04:41 PM
i giving her all shes got captain.[sm=chattypair.gif]

Nicky B
04-03-2006, 12:36 AM
Do any of you guys think the stage 3 turbo is not worth the 4k or so it costs. I mean I'm not saying they deliver some serious power for that type of money you get like a 50trim turbo and be putting out much more HP. Just seeing what people think.

LilSparkPlug
04-03-2006, 02:30 AM
If you want that much horsepower without tuning the car, mopar is the way to go.

black4
04-08-2006, 07:40 AM
just ordered my stg3 and the main reason i went with this kit is because i like things simple and mopar is fire and forget no fuss just plug and play.

TurboPowered
04-24-2006, 02:25 PM
How hard is the stage 2 install with the Turbo Toys, is it possible to DIY if you have some decent car knowledge?

PSI Chick
04-24-2006, 03:08 PM
it's very doable yourself. mopar made the directions so simple that it's written for those that haven't a clue, so if you have basic automotive knowledge you're good. be prepared though, it will take some time. expect a good 4 hours for the toys install alone your first time at it.....

black4
05-05-2006, 01:38 AM
also helps to have friends that have a good knowledge of wiring and work for beer.

flamingpinhead
05-06-2006, 10:24 PM
^was my question as well... was looking at stage 2 or 3 but i am what you would call mechanically challanged. how much would someone charge to install this?

also, it says that it MAY void warranty... but WILL it?

NO PARTS WARRANTY
Mopar Performance parts are sold "as is" unless otherwise noted. This means that parts sold by Mopar Performance carry no warranty whatsoever. Implied warranties, such as warranties of merchantability, are excluded. (An implied warranty of merchantability means that the part is reasonably fit for the general purpose for which is was sold). The entire risk as to quality and performance of such parts is with the buyer. Should such parts prove defective following their purchase, the buyer and not the manufacturer, distributor or retailer, assumes the entire cost of all necessary servicing or repair. Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep® vehicle and parts warranties are voided if the vehicle or parts are used for competition. The addition of performance parts does not by itself void a vehicle's warranty. However, added performance parts (parts not originally supplied on the vehicle from the factory) are not covered by the vehicle's warranty, and any failure that they may cause is also not covered by the vehicle's warranty.

joprout
07-17-2006, 12:02 PM
I just ordered the Stage 2 through Chrysler dealer ship but unfortunatly the bastard order the Stage 1 and now he's telling me that he can't cancel it and I have to stick with it. My question is, when they say that the PCM gets flashed, do they mean that the plug a wire in to the PCM and with a laptop they set the proper config? or do they change the whole computer?

If I have stage 1 is it less expensive to get stage 2?

Thanks

bigham
07-17-2006, 09:07 PM
they screwed up and you have to settle for less i wouldn't they need to fix there screw up stage 2 is a different set up then stage one so it will not be cheaper

Phillips8201
09-13-2006, 02:00 AM
ORIGINAL: LilSparkPlug

Nope you dont have to do that at all.

You can just buy Stage 2, install it and head on your way. :D



I resently purchased an 05' SRT-4. I'm not sure where I'm going to start but this question may help me. I've been researching the Mopar stage kits and from what I've read you have to purchase the stage 2 and the stage 3 to get everything as it don't look like you get everthing in stage 3 that is in the stage 2. Is this correct?

huero3000
11-20-2006, 07:43 PM
I have a question... Say if you install Stage 1,2 or 3 on your SRT-4. Will it still pass the smog test? I'm in California so I was just wondering because people tell Yes and No...

srt4sparks
05-06-2007, 10:23 AM
ORIGINAL: huero3000

I have a question... Say if you install Stage 1,2 or 3 on your SRT-4. Will it still pass the smog test? I'm in California so I was just wondering because people tell Yes and No...
if your so worried about smog ask arund some of the tuner guys that get the hookup on the low about passing emmissions. Remember its not what yaknow its who yaknow too.;)

blackacr
05-22-2007, 07:49 PM
Does Stage 2 have higher peek boost? If so, What's the peek boost?

Burnnout
05-22-2007, 08:08 PM
Most people with stage 2 and no other mods spike about 17-18 and hold 15-16psi.

n0th1ng
07-24-2007, 10:54 PM
If i get a stg2 for my srt, what cons will come from this? ex: less MPG, More wear and tear on engine, not passing inspection, getting car impounded for being too fast?

elsrt4
09-24-2007, 06:09 PM
oh koooll

hub3rt
09-24-2007, 09:51 PM
hey how many psi does the stock engine can handle?

srt4ACRboy
09-30-2007, 10:57 PM
Stock turbo, 16 psi.

Baby girl
01-30-2008, 12:36 AM
Summer time is coming all the guys are saying AGP 50 trim more horsepower someone else told me Mopar stage 3 I'm new to the racing world but would love too pass the boys and I would like some advise please.:)

david46816
03-31-2008, 08:55 PM
I just bought my srt4 in january and there is a sticker under the hood that says authorized flash, then in writing it says flashed pcm and give s this long # next to it what does this mean ? has it already had the stage 1 upgrade flash?

david46816
03-31-2008, 08:55 PM
I just bought my srt4 in january and there is a sticker under the hood that says authorized flash, then in writing it says flashed pcm and give s this long # next to it what does this mean ? has it already had the stage 1 upgrade flash?

Cobragold
04-25-2008, 12:00 AM
i have someone that works at a dealership(lead mechanic) and that turbo toys kit is a waste of money and the 100 octane is expensive, he advised just usingNOS depending on the weather the performance may vary, NOS is a tad bit cheaper and with gas prices going up i'd hate to see someonetry tomake that part of the kit worthwhile

streetbikr600
05-16-2008, 10:57 PM
could i just by the injectors and computer..cuz i have the tib and map senor already arg waste gate

zzeiler
05-18-2008, 12:19 AM
Why so much mopar? I perfer AGP, more power less money. Doesn't keep your factory warrenty, but how many of you have under 30k miles?

SRT4Fanatick
07-15-2008, 12:45 AM
I am interested in the stage 1 kit for the new computer... I was thinking that you could send in your stock one somewhere to get it tuned but i wanna know more about this one. Will it re-map your fuel better and all the good stuff? And how much more power do you guys with the stage 1 feel?

blkkn8_65
09-02-2008, 10:58 AM
i had bolt on mods donr to a 05 srt-4 and keep getting eng light codes for evap and overboost had a agp billet adjuater put on turbo timer and afc by apexi along with a wideband afc by aem.i was told i need a stage1 pcm or 2 tofix any more eng codes can you verify this before i spend another four or five hundred if its not going to work.

blkkn8_65
09-02-2008, 11:01 AM
will a stage 1 pcm stop eng light codes from mods done on a srt