Here what I find of fordtruckworld site, a 6.4 l with a TwinTurbo 30 Psi+ that can developped up to 400 to 500 hp ... if its true htas gonna be a nice diesel but the 610 torque of the cummins will be hard to get !

From what i have heard from my friends over at the ford dealership there is a new powerstroke coming out next year well in 2007, suppose to be a twin turbo pushing 30+ psi in each turbo stock.

-also out of the new Diesel Power magazine ATS Performance is suppose to be coming out with an aftermarked turbos for the 6.0L PSD's soon.

Later yall, Knight Yeah, there has been talk about this for a while now. It's coming out for the '07 model year bored out to a 6.4 with twin turbos and estimated 450-500 hp. The ones released to the public are supposed to be "de-tuned" to an estimated 400-450 hp

Cummins no doubt is the king of diesels. There's no way that Ford will ever last as long either.


-Matt-

I know but a 450 hp diesel would be special but here the gas is like 1$ 2c CAN but 1 liter

If Ford does go 450 horsepower the Cummins can easily match it and then some my uncles cummins is putting out somewhere in that area all I know is it'll beat his bosses new stuperduty not bad for a second gen 12 valve... :D

ORIGINAL: Hard_runner67

If Ford does go 450 horsepower the Cummins can easily match it and then some my uncles cummins is putting out somewhere in that area all I know is it'll beat his bosses new stuperduty not bad for a second gen 12 valve... :D


Oh, hell yeah Cummins can match it. All cummins needs to do is put the "B" engine in the Ram and watch it kick butt.

If its like the last new one they will be breaking down all over. My friend bought one and it didn't last 6 weeks before blowing up.

Dodge = Cummins 5.9l 20+ years
Ford = POS 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 all in 5 years
GM/Chevy= They have so many I dont know were to begin!

My friend bought one and it didn't last 6 weeks before blowing up.

I don't see how some still stick to Ford after hearing comments like that. No other automaker besides Ford has that big of major problems.


-Matt-

ORIGINAL: chfjim

Dodge = Cummins 5.9l 20+ years
Ford = POS 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 all in 5 years
GM/Chevy= They have so many I dont know were to begin!

The Cummins has only been around since 1989 so that's only 16 years, Dodge was 7 years behind in the Diesel market when the Cummins was introduced.

GM has only used 3 diesels since they started putting diesels in their trucks, the 6.2L, 6.5L and the Duramax, and the 6.5L is just a stroked 6.2L. GM added a turbo in the late 80s-early 90s, but other then that the engine remained unchanged for about 19 years. And that engine is still in production today in the military HMMWV, so if you're really talking about longevity AM General has everyone beat using the same basic engine since 1983, which is 22 years.

It doesn't really matter if Ford is putting a new Diesel into the Super Duty, it's still a V-block, which is probably the worst design for a diesel. Most people don't know that the ideal Diesel is a Straight-6, and think that just like a gas engine that a V-8 is an awesome setup for diesels, when really it's horrible.

ford sucks. cummins rocks. it's as simple as that

ORIGINAL: Challenger Lover

Here what I find of fordtruckworld site, a 6.4 l with a TwinTurbo 30 Psi+ that can developped up to 400 to 500 hp ... if its true htas gonna be a nice diesel but the 610 torque of the cummins will be hard to get !

From what i have heard from my friends over at the ford dealership there is a new powerstroke coming out next year well in 2007, suppose to be a twin turbo pushing 30+ psi in each turbo stock.

-also out of the new Diesel Power magazine ATS Performance is suppose to be coming out with an aftermarked turbos for the 6.0L PSD's soon.

Later yall, Knight Yeah, there has been talk about this for a while now. It's coming out for the '07 model year bored out to a 6.4 with twin turbos and estimated 450-500 hp. The ones released to the public are supposed to be "de-tuned" to an estimated 400-450 hp


Yeah, and this is coming from the manufacture that is already having enough trouble with a single turbo in their diesel. If Ford wants to make things worse for themselves by doing something silly like this for more bragging rights, then I say bring it on. As Drew has mentioned in other posts. The Cummins has been used in boats, where it produced 425 hp and 910 ft-lbs of torque and the only difference is the injectors, turbo, and fuel pump were changed, so I believe the Cummins just might be okay against this.;) The Cummins would not loose its reliability.

BTW, wasn't the 6.5 and 6.2 made by Detroit Diesel? I have heard the new H1s will have the "Duramax."

nope, the 6.2 and 6.5L Chevy diesels were made by GM. the early 6.2's were only 350's with diesel heads. BIG mistake. the 6.5 is only a bored out 6.2.

So in other words GM has never really had a good Diesel in terms of quality in comparison to the Cummins. Which one is better quality between the 6.2/6.5 and the Duramax?

Ford definatly does have trouble with one turbo. But i say put in the "B" engine, or put a twin turbo on the 5.9L. And i also agree that it is a fact that the inline 6 is the ideal diesel. I am a pilot and that is tought that you get the best torque from an inline engine. It is basic physics. It doesnt nesisarily matter how many cylinders. heres my points below:





Dodge 5.9L Cummins ( Inline 6 Diesel ) = 325 HP , 610FtLbTq 6CYLINDERS!!!!!
Ford Power Stroke 6.0 L( best one , and still pathetic ) ( V8 Diesel ) = 325 HP , 580FtLbTq V8
Chevy Duramax Diesel 6.6L ( V8 Diesel ) = 325HP , 600FtLbTq V8



My Point Exactly!

I also remember that the inline 6 is the best perfectly balanced engine where you do not need all those extra counter weights to make the engine operate smoothly.

I've been looking into buying a Ford Diesel this December, ONLY because the Dodge is almost double to insure vs. Ford and Chevy. IMHO, if Ford really wanted to attempt to take on Cummins, they need to consider just dumping the PowerStroke and commission Caterpillar or Detroit Diesel to build a diesel for the Fords. Otherwise, Cummins will continue beating all comers with ugly sticks!!

I don't see how Ford could possibly get a diesel from Detroit Diesel when the situation is Diamler Chrysler owns Detroit Diesel now. I'm thinking there must be a reason why Ford didn't try to get a Caterpiller engine a long time ago. Don't count on it is all I have to say. They seem content with having a diesel that is truely from the bottom of the barrel of diesels.

Shows how much I know about Corporate Takeovers!!! Didn't know Detroit Diesel is now owned by DC. Hehehehe, guess that limits the options for Ford now, huh?

Just looking for more info on the 6.4L ford configuration. I had a Ford fan that I work with telling me that the new engine was going to be a V-4. I personnally think his statement is bogus. Could you just imagine the banging and clattering a V-4 would create. Also just imagine the size of those pistons! Cummins are huge right now.

When run CAT diesel in our equipment at the coal mine I work at. CAT makes great "large" diesels, but any small diesel they just can't seem to get it right. For small diesels, Cummins, Detriot, and John Deere all make really good engines.

basically how i understand it is that the cummings 5.9 straight 6 has always been a diesel motor.

ford and chevy, with their v8 diesels are pos because they have both had to modify their gas engines to be diesel compatitable.

ORIGINAL: dakotaboy

basically how i understand it is that the cummings 5.9 straight 6 has always been a diesel motor.

ford and chevy, with their v8 diesels are pos because they have both had to modify their gas engines to be diesel compatitable.


wrong.

the only gasser change over was the horrendous chevy 350 Diesel where GM literaly took a 350, threw diesel heads on it and let-r-rip. the engine just wasnt strong enough to handle the higher drive pressure of diesel fuel.

the first ford diesel for automotive use came from International. the NA 7.3 ( I think) for Chevy it was that 350 diesel, but then they wised up and built an engine that was designed just for diesel, but still turned into a boat anchor.

if you want an engine that has been around for the longest, maybe not in an automotive use, but the Cummins 6b, which is the same as the 6bt, and ISB, only naturaly asperated has been around since Cummins first started produceing engines. this engine started it's life on the farm, but it was when Dodge started looking at it for automotive applications in '88 when it evolved to what we know today. The 5.9 can be found on the farm, on the road, in the water, and under the ground. something none of the other companys can say.

when the 6bt was in testing for the Ram, Dodge actualy gave Cummins a few trucks to play with. The only thing they had to do was to have that 6bt between the frame rails. when Cummins was done, the frame was hacked on, twisted, and re-welded, the front suspension was blown out, and all trucks had the drive shafts and axels either twisted off or blown apart. When Dodge asked what happened the Cummins engineers responded that the trucks just cannot withstand the weight and torque of the engine at the current state. Dodge went back to the drawing board and specialty built a frame just for the engine. this time they got things right except the drive shafts kept being wrung off, or the u-joints were being split in half. Back in 88, the Cummins was only produceing 160hp and 440lb-ft. but what many dont know is the 6bt can easily be turned up to 500-600 hp. Dodge only wanted a Diesel, they did it right by going to a company like ford did that the only thing they do is build diesel engines.

This doesn't make sense, why would Ford release a 6.4 V-8 when they are buying out Cummins?

ORIGINAL: dieselram

This doesn't make sense, why would Ford release a 6.4 V-8 when they are buying out Cummins?



maybe it will turn Ford around and give them an engine that actualy has some life. . .and ballz[sm=bustedsign.gif][sm=icon_rofl.gif]

Really, yeah right now Dodge and Cummins is the king. But if Ford buys out Cummins then Dodge will be left to survive on their own. I'm pretty sure that Mercades can't match that kind of diesel.

i can remember being in elementary school (mid 90's) and hearing people say how "ford owns cummins" "ford is buying cummins". a decade later, i've yet to see it happen.

Ford doesn't own Cummins, nor is it buying it. It's even on their official website. I highly doubt we'll see a TT diesel for awhile.

Who ever they guy that was talking about the Duramax who seemed educated, I can assure you was not. Yes the early diesels from chevy were built by chevrolet themselves, and definetly were not the best of engines. And secondly the Duramax is not built by chevrolet and is not an old 6.2 punched to 6.5. The Duramax is a produced engine built by Izuzu, crap is that the right spelling, ne way and is a great reliable quiet and and extremely potential filled motor. I currently have 2 pickups, 06 chevy duramax crew cab long bed 4 wheel drive, and a 06 dodge dummins crew cab long bed, I like them both a ton, my chevy which I use for work is quiet a has a ton of power and has a great tranny which is pretty hard to beat, my dodge is awesome to a ton of room and enough power equall wiht my chevy, it is little louder but i enjoy the comfort and room inside the cab

I dont think ford is buying out cummins.

I doubt they can afford it, with the cuts they have to make