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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/10/2007 12:57:53 PM    mcfisher666   Posts: 10 Joined: 1/10/2007 Status: offline im sure everyone has different expirences with different spark plugs but let me tell yall about mine.  ive got a 2004 dodge neon sxt 2.0L with 64,367 miles on it. i went and changes my spark plugs with the bosch platinum 2 and i had a horrible drive with those.  my engine would hesitate on take off,  knock real bad at cretian rpm, and when i would go up a steep incline it would crawl and it  also ate alot of gas.  i was getting about 317 to 329 miles before the "dummy light" would come on.  now im lucky if i can go between 277 to 284 before it comes on. to make a long story short, i went through different brands of spark plugs; autolite. ngk, and bosch. i even went and used the new bosch fusion plugs.. which are a piece of crap btw... i finally went back with the champion plugs and the problem went away instantly and 2 gas fill ups later ive noticed ive gone back to the fuel milage i was getting before.  im sure with certian engine mods its ok to use other plugs , but in my opinion champion seems to be the best, and until i get proven wrong , im sticking by it  (in reply to SlowAssNeon) Post #: 61

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/14/2007 4:02:41 AM    Kapitald   Posts: 648 Joined: 12/14/2006 Status: offline I dont know guys....I ran bosch platinums in my 05 automatic and 04 manual sxt...seemed fine to me....nothing wrong or out of the ordinary....I have heard not to buy the +2's or the +4's because they arc sometimes ...or some of their spark gets dissapated somewhere else...idk...anyway thats why i run the plus....it just has the one regular gapped tip...fine for me....but just because yall brought this up...im going to switch to NGK's and see if i notice a difference...I will post my results... _____________________________ 04 Electric Blue Srt-4..CAI..8.5mm crane wires..front and rear strut bars..motor mount inserts..agp wastegate..manual in cabin boost controller..maddog 72% sts..greddy occ..bigger intercooler with hardpipes..hks sequential bov..possibly stage1 cam (in reply to SlowAssNeon) Post #: 62

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/14/2007 4:14:45 AM    Kapitald   Posts: 648 Joined: 12/14/2006 Status: offline k guys....right now... i want to know what the best plug for my car would be....put brandnames aside....whats the best proven plug for the best performance on my 2004 sxt. _____________________________ 04 Electric Blue Srt-4..CAI..8.5mm crane wires..front and rear strut bars..motor mount inserts..agp wastegate..manual in cabin boost controller..maddog 72% sts..greddy occ..bigger intercooler with hardpipes..hks sequential bov..possibly stage1 cam (in reply to 71RoadRunner) Post #: 63

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/15/2007 7:53:57 PM    jblwired Posts: 52 Joined: 1/7/2007 Status: offline Well D,  I would say what ever plug that doesn't missfire and keeps you moving should work.  Till you start running alternitive fuels anyway,  nitromethane, jet fuel, ect.  Plugs don't make power.  Fuel and air(oxygen) do. The fuels i mentioned are harder to get ignited so you need a more powerful spark and plugs that dont burn up.   < Message edited by jblwired -- 1/15/2007 8:02:08 PM > (in reply to Kapitald) Post #: 64

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/16/2007 7:52:08 AM    Kapitald   Posts: 648 Joined: 12/14/2006 Status: offline Well according to these guys...my bosch platinums arent any good...so i was wondering what would be the best plug for me...not the most powerful...lets say the most healthy plug for my car... _____________________________ 04 Electric Blue Srt-4..CAI..8.5mm crane wires..front and rear strut bars..motor mount inserts..agp wastegate..manual in cabin boost controller..maddog 72% sts..greddy occ..bigger intercooler with hardpipes..hks sequential bov..possibly stage1 cam (in reply to jblwired) Post #: 65

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/16/2007 4:48:06 PM    winsettz   Posts: 278 Joined: 10/22/2006 Status: offline Champs will work. Double plats work as well (single-plats are the ones that kill you I believe). There's Iridums which are extremely expensive as well. But the lowly Champion is 1.49 for four at Autozone. _____________________________ '98 Highline SOHC (MTX) Recognizing MLS Headgaskets When you have a FSM, you're willing to suspect anything that you can put a name and picture to. ;/ (in reply to Kapitald) Post #: 66

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/18/2007 12:39:40 AM    jblwired Posts: 52 Joined: 1/7/2007 Status: offline Are your plugs fouling of missing?  Come on, there just plugs!  Stay away from the +2 and +4 platinum plugs cause the spark gets dispersed.  Just like a lightning bolt the spark can eighther go one way and be strong and bright, or try to hit multiple points and just fizzle out. < Message edited by jblwired -- 1/23/2007 12:37:44 AM > _____________________________ 89 Daytona ES 2.5 Turbo I, soon to be hybrid 16v Turbo III (I know i'm a faker but a DOHC Neon head is cheaper than the Lotus head). Any 1 got a 2.5 Turbo common block for sale? (seriously) (in reply to winsettz) Post #: 67

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/21/2007 12:47:01 AM    ewetho   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/23/2004 Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: jblwired Are your plugs fouling of missing?  Come on, there just plugs!  Stay away from the double and quadruple platinum plugs cause the spark gets dispersed.  Just like a lightning bolt the spark can eighther go one way and be strong and bright, or try to hit multiple points and just fizzle out. NO NO NO Double Platinum plugs look like regular plugs but have a platinum button on the Center Electrode and the Ground Strap to CONCENTRATE firing voltage and allow a lower arcover voltage and more current flow. The multiple ground strap plugs like Bosch +2 or +4 plugs have on a platinum center electrode and multiple groud paths. This multiple paths actually also lowers the arc over voltage requirements and provide 2 or 4 points in which to wear out that slows down gap errosion. Now in a conventional distibutor or COP ignition this is not a problem but for a waste spark type DIS the plug firing backwards has a tendancy to erode the pltainum of the center electrode causing rapid gap errosion leading to misfires. Now they do solve this with Double Platinum plugs such as Ford used for years. This gives LONG life and durabilty. So either stick to standard style plugs, double platinum plugs or iridium and you will be fine. No Bosch. _____________________________ 2004 Neon SE -- K&N CAI, R/T Muffler, Booger Bushings, Prothane Suspension & Race MM Inserts, Vitor's TM Inserts, Progress 22MM Rear Sway Bar w/ Energy Suspension 2 3/8" End Links, Vogtland Springs, KYB GR2 Struts, Vibrant Type V Strut Bars[/size (in reply to jblwired) Post #: 68

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/22/2007 1:14:02 AM    Kapitald   Posts: 648 Joined: 12/14/2006 Status: offline So if silver conducts electricity the best....then copper....then iridium....seems like copper plugs would cost more than iridiums....why are iridium plugs so expensive when the dont conduct electricity as well??? whats better for the neon....iridium or copper or silver....im going to try those copper v-power ngk's i think next time... _____________________________ 04 Electric Blue Srt-4..CAI..8.5mm crane wires..front and rear strut bars..motor mount inserts..agp wastegate..manual in cabin boost controller..maddog 72% sts..greddy occ..bigger intercooler with hardpipes..hks sequential bov..possibly stage1 cam (in reply to ewetho) Post #: 69

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/22/2007 11:25:39 PM    tyler819   Posts: 261 Joined: 10/13/2006 Status: offline because im sure copper is cheaper and more available than silver and iridium. _____________________________ '05 Neon SRT-4 (in reply to Kapitald) Post #: 70

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/23/2007 12:11:04 AM    jblwired Posts: 52 Joined: 1/7/2007 Status: offline When I said double and quadruple i meant the +2s' and +4s'.  Silver, Iridium, and Platinum are rare precious metals.  There is plenty of copper being mined.  Really, whats the next step, Gold spark plugs.  Anything the companys can do to stay rich, huh.   I've also seen what happens when the little platinum tips on the doubles do to an engine when they come loose from the ground electrode and it's not pretty.  Funny thing is that most of your precious metal high dollar plugs have copper guts, hmm.  I am no longer going to follow all the hype about this plug being better than that plug.  Unless you have engine or electrical problems any plug will last a long time.  My NGK-r copper Vs' have been in my 88 158k mile Camry  for more than 3 yrs. and havn't missed a lick.  I got a 3.5hp lawnmower also with a standard champion plug that has never missed.  Not to mention the chainsaw i have has had the same plug in it for 30yrs. and still runs fine.  See where i'm going here? < Message edited by jblwired -- 1/23/2007 12:34:53 AM > _____________________________ 89 Daytona ES 2.5 Turbo I, soon to be hybrid 16v Turbo III (I know i'm a faker but a DOHC Neon head is cheaper than the Lotus head). Any 1 got a 2.5 Turbo common block for sale? (seriously) (in reply to Kapitald) Post #: 71

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/23/2007 12:42:28 AM    jblwired Posts: 52 Joined: 1/7/2007 Status: offline By the way,  anyone know of a 2.5 Turbo engine for sale in the N Geogia area? _____________________________ 89 Daytona ES 2.5 Turbo I, soon to be hybrid 16v Turbo III (I know i'm a faker but a DOHC Neon head is cheaper than the Lotus head). Any 1 got a 2.5 Turbo common block for sale? (seriously) (in reply to jblwired) Post #: 72

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/24/2007 8:36:31 PM    ewetho   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/23/2004 Status: offline Almost every plug made is a COPPER CORE plug but the platinum & iridium plugs are tipped. Now the benefit is the compressed (Focused point) magnetics where hte spark fires from with minimal inherent shadowing of the F/A mix from the spark. Minimized fouling is also a benefit. Why a good portion of modern cars come stock with them. Manufacturers are not going to put them in if they don't work. Cause they will save the nickel which is hundreds of thousands of dollars per instance of something cheaper. Anyhow. Hope this helps. _____________________________ 2004 Neon SE -- K&N CAI, R/T Muffler, Booger Bushings, Prothane Suspension & Race MM Inserts, Vitor's TM Inserts, Progress 22MM Rear Sway Bar w/ Energy Suspension 2 3/8" End Links, Vogtland Springs, KYB GR2 Struts, Vibrant Type V Strut Bars[/size (in reply to jblwired) Post #: 73

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 1/30/2007 7:58:44 PM    FastNeon84 Posts: 1132 Joined: 4/11/2006 Status: offline wow...ive had bosch platinum 4s in my for the past 2 years and i am just now looking at this thread... i hope i didnt mess my car up.....it starts and runs fine, no smoking, no engine stuttering...160k + miles and still going....but i know i am past due for a tune up...only changed em once since i had my car. < Message edited by FastNeon84 -- 1/30/2007 7:59:46 PM > _____________________________ 1996 Dodge Neon SOHC 2d Coupe -KYB-Gr2 struts -skunk 2 lowering springs 2001 Plymouth Neon -completely stock 2005 Srt4- soon ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! (in reply to ewetho) Post #: 74

RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 2/1/2007 7:45:39 PM    asbel   Posts: 51 Joined: 1/3/2007 Status: offline ok i am hearing all about how platinum is bad i am currently running the bosch +4 platinum in mine and have been the last 10k miles. and i have been hearing all about how good the NGK are and i pulled one of my spark plugs out at my last oil change about 2 weeks ago and they were pretty whiteish to light grey. and i decided it was time to change them soon. now i went to the NGK website http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/part_finder/car_truck_suv/results.asp and there is 5 different kinds i was wondering if there was a huge difference or if i could just use whatever ones are cheaper at my local auto parts store. (in reply to FastNeon84) Post #: 75

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