RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon!
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 3/2/2006 4:42:39 PM
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Somethingdirty
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I put NGK Iridiums in recently, and I love them!
Great idle, more responsive blah blah...
I highly reccomend them.
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 3/2/2006 6:33:26 PM
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bill14224
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A word on spark plugs. I've owned many different brands and types of cars over the years, (I'm not brand loyal because I'm not swayed by Madison Avenue advertising dorks) and I've learned that you can't go wrong using what your car maker recommends. I've found that NGK, Bosch, and Autolites are excellent plugs. I don't like Champions because I've encountered many that leak compression past the insulator. Where I work we make (among many other things) modified plugs to monitor cylinder pressure in experimental engines and we stopped using Champions because of too many "leakers". However, this is old information from the late 80's. Hopefully Champion got their act together since then.
A well made plug of the proper heat range for your engine will serve you well, and I reject the notion that what a plug's electrode is made of affects anything other than how long it lasts. From an engineering standpoint nothing else makes sense. When you read about crap like "this plug gives you 137% more spark power" that's just advertising. Plugs don't provide spark power, your coil does. There is no need to upgrade a properly working ignition system to a "high energy" ignition system unless you increased compression substantially, lift and duration, added turbo or a blower, or all three. Usually the stock ignition system will do the job quite nicely. If it ain't misfiring your ignition DOES NOT NEED UPGRADING and will not yield more HP or better mileage.
In today's ignition systems the spark is regulated to provide only as much energy to the plug as is needed, making even plain old stock plugs last 3 times longer than when my elbows were always scratched and dirty. (we used to have to change them every year) Also, a properly gapped plug of the correct heat range in good condition (and not leaking like those old Champions) will yield the SAME HP no matter who made it or what material the electrode is made of! Anyone who tells you anything different is either lying or repeating lies.
If you hot-rodded your engine A LOT you'll probably need to move to a cold plug (5). If they foul move to 6's. If you find you need 7's IT AIN'T A HOT ROD! There, that was easy! Also, if you pay $30 for 4 plugs thinking you'll go faster I have a bridge I'd like to sell you! If your recommended plugs in your stock engine keep fouling your engine is worn-out! Don't move to a hot plug to keep it running, rebuild your engine or junk it! Enough of this silly spark plug debate, use what the book tells you! THOUSANDS of hours of education, testing, and experience went into it. Unless you're an EXPERT (I'm not, I just play one at work!) DON'T SECOND GUESS THEM!
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 3/17/2006 10:26:58 PM
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ewetho
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I guess that would mean Champion CopperPlus as that is the original plug.
Anyhow for the most part any properly gapped plug with the proper geometry (Ie. Projection and heat range) should work just fine but they do make a difference and it is precisely that worn out effect you feel when the new plugs go in. Douple platinum and Iridium plugs actually lower arc over voltage requirements and Champions average about 8000 Ohms verses the 5-6000 Ohms for most others in their resistors. So It does change the ignition operating environment and spark output which can lead to better economy and HP as your O2 sensor will adjust for what you can burn.
But simply put maintained plugs are well and dandy and changing brands can improve IDLE Quality a bit (Change to new plugs from worn out Champs and see). So with the V-Power with the extra angle and Double Platinums with their little points and Iridium the same the work longer because they do not erode and the little fine points make a more possitive spark. This in turn means the run like new longer.
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 4/16/2006 11:08:35 PM
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ewetho
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Why run Bosch Platinum if they even admit it is not designed to run in your DIS equipped car??? Have the NGK's standing by or any standard plug such as Champion CopperPlus, Bosch Super, Autolite Copper, AC Delco, what ever.... Or if you must run a "High Perfomance" plug then for long life choose a plug such as Auolite Double Platinum (Designed for DIS) or those special plugs all the way to Iridium. Either way simple moral is not to run single platinum plugs. They are known to be incompatible and even admittedly by the spark plug manufacturers. So quit fighting the obvious. Just choose the right type of plug for your car as this thread has so diligently pointed out and now worries.
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 4/17/2006 6:41:27 PM
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kayakman
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You know, each manufacture has their own spark plug. Their engines were design and tested to run on a specific plug. Honda I think use ngk (or what ever), ford-autolite, Chrysler-champion, GM-AC Delco, etc, etc. Unless you have altered or modify your engine in some way, run what came with it.
I tow a 5th wheel trailer with my 98-360 dodge ram and I have tried them all and you know what I came back was the Champion copper truck plug. I change my 2001 neon once a year (15000 mi.) and keep on goin' down the road, it has approx. 150,000km. on it now. Any plug will feel better than the worn out one you just took out. If there is a difference you are looking at maybe a 1/10 of a sec. or so.
hope this helps - kayakman
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 4/30/2006 10:16:37 PM
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I used to run Bosch Platinum 4s but because of what I read on here I desided to try some NGKS V-groove plugs since they were just $8 for all 4. Well I installed them and guess what, there was no difference what so ever. Or not anything noticably anyways but I think I will keep the NGKs in there for now just to see if they get fouled up or anything. The Bosch plugs looked ok but were a little dark.
< Message edited by Topher -- 4/30/2006 10:17:29 PM >
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 5/2/2006 11:59:01 AM
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Well I put a set of Bosch platinum plugs in my wifes 2001 and the MPG increased 4 mpg on the Hwy. They have been in the car for 8 months now and I have not had a problem with them at all. I think one needs to check the gap when putting in any new plug in a Dodge as Chevy's have a wider gap setting and many plugs are set to wide for a Dodge.
Just my $0.02
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 6/5/2006 7:40:00 PM
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I just do not get why you'd go against what the Sparkplug manufacturers recomend. They say not to use single platinum in a DIS ignition car then why try. Just use copper core or go to Double Platinum, or Iridium, or Iridium/Platinum and be happy. Champions work just fine, NGK are great plugs with a longer life due to harder material being used as well as Autolite. Most Jap cars spec either NGK or Denso. Heck Mitsubishi uses DC engines and vice versa and they use NGK or Denso so why not. If properly spec'd out (Not universal fit plugs) pick your favorite brand. Just follow the guidelines.
Not that hard.
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 7/3/2006 1:22:34 AM
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the links dont work
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 10/10/2006 4:10:58 PM
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Moparmatt440
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My friend put a set of those in and it made his 04 pop. I am currently running NGK iradium plugs with magnacore wires and have noticed a bit of power increase, along with a smoother idle
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 10/15/2006 11:53:39 PM
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tyler819
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I got my ngk iridium spark plugs from this site: http://www.sparkplugs.com/default.asp
They work really good and make it run better and are supposed to last longer than normal spark plugs. Also the instructions told me not to gap the iridium spark plugs and to just install them how they come because u could snap the electrode.
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 10/30/2006 6:12:00 PM
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I had only Champion Platinums in my '99 Neon R/T the entire time I owned it, 3 years+, and it ran flawless. I hear people always ragging on Champion spark plugs, yet I have always used them from the $.99 cheapies to the Platinums without any problems what so ever. I have tried many other brands from Bosh to Accel U-groove to Splitfires and I have yet to see any improvement in performance, so I'll stick with my good ol' Champions, that has always been Mopars plug of choice and it is mine as well. And yes I am aware that more recently they have also used Bosch and NGK, but they have always used Champions.
I think the greater problem in the ignition system is the sad plug wires, they have between 1,500-3,200 ohms resistance and they're not even a foot long. Everyone that has the 2.0L DOHC or the 2.4L DOHC need to switch them over to MSD Super Conductor plug wires, they smooth out the idle, they actually give it a stronger meaner sounding exhaust (most don't believe this until they get them and then they are shocked that they could make that kind of a difference) and increase horsepower and fuel mileage. They have less than 50 ohms per foot of resistance and since none of the plug wires are even that long, they are between 20-40 ohms resistance which is thousands of times better than stock.
Combining the MSD Super Conductor plug wires with a set of Champion Platinum spark plugs is a great and flawless combo. I know this for a fact since I've ran this combo in my '99 R/T for the 3+ years I owned it and now with my '04 SRT-4 and they are both still running great. In fact, my '99 R/T with the MSD wires and Champion plugs also had/has the Mopar Performance CAI, cat-back exhaust, chrome header, motor mounts, bobble strut and PCM (computer) as well as front strut tower brace, MSD coil and REX motor mount inserts on it and with a few drag runs mixed with in town and freeway driving averaged 35+ MPG. My SRT-4 with the MSD wires and Champion plugs also had the Mopar Performance cat-back exhaust, STS and BOV as well as K & N Typhoon CAI, MSD coil, 2 OCC's, Prothane race motor mount inserts and front and rear strut tower braces on it and with the same type driving as the R/T, with the exception of more spirited driving, it got 21.9 MPG the one time I checked it. It would get better if I could keep from enjoying the turbo, but it now has the Mopar Performance Stage 1 on it too.
I'm running Champion Plats in my SRT-4 with no problems............
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RE: Why you shouldnt run platinum plugs in the neon! - 11/28/2006 11:20:54 PM
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You may have found an exception to the rule somehow but the Double Platinum Champions would be the wise choice.
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