RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge!
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/28/2005 2:47:10 AM
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SHAPman
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Hmm... let me think for a minute. I'm basing it on the name charger. Now why would that be? Oh yeah because thats what they are calling this thing a charger. Which it is not. An intrepid, monaco, coronet even, but its not a charger. I didn't care for the fact that the 99 had 4 doors either, but it at least embodied a charger. Besides that little lip on the rear quarter where else so you see a charger. The front is not pretty(a common dodge trait lately) The rear looks like an intrepid, and the interior looks like a magnum. Lets hope for the company's sake this sells at least as many as the intrepid, which did not sell well for the past few years. So heres all the reasons I don't like it, and don't think it will sell great.
1. Poor styling. Ugly, and looks like a rental.
2. Two, too many doors.
3. Most of us that have been waiting for a charger wanted a mustang fighter, this family sedan is not even in the same league.
4. This car should have been offered with 3.5, 4.7, 5.7 engine choices.
5. Unoriginal interior, see magnum
6. We are competing against ourselves, Doh!
Last note, I'm immature for calling you out on the name calling? OK 
Did anybody jump on you here? No, then settle down. If I dragged every other thread into my current one why bother having different threads? You like it so what, I'm not calling you an idiot because you like it. But I am a poser and a hater because I don't. Leave other threads in the other threads. When you want to continue THIS thread in an intelligent manner please feel free.
Joe
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/28/2005 12:50:00 PM
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jgralka-
"Hmm... let me think for a minute. I'm basing it on the name charger. Now why would that be? Oh yeah because thats what they are calling this thing a charger. Which it is not. An intrepid, monaco, coronet even, but its not a charger. I didn't care for the fact that the 99 had 4 doors either, but it at least embodied a charger. Besides that little lip on the rear quarter where else so you see a charger. The front is not pretty(a common dodge trait lately) The rear looks like an intrepid, and the interior looks like a magnum. Lets hope for the company's sake this sells at least as many as the intrepid, which did not sell well for the past few years. So heres all the reasons I don't like it, and don't think it will sell great.
1. Poor styling. Ugly, and looks like a rental.
2. Two, too many doors.
3. Most of us that have been waiting for a charger wanted a mustang fighter, this family sedan is not even in the same league.
4. This car should have been offered with 3.5, 4.7, 5.7 engine choices.
5. Unoriginal interior, see magnum
6. We are competing against ourselves, Doh!
Last note, I'm immature for calling you out on the name calling? OK
Did anybody jump on you here? No, then settle down. If I dragged every other thread into my current one why bother having different threads? You like it so what, I'm not calling you an idiot because you like it. But I am a poser and a hater because I don't. Leave other threads in the other threads. When you want to continue THIS thread in an intelligent manner please feel free. "
Dude I REST MY CASE!!!!!! Thanks for proving me 100% right. Poor styling??? Thats your opinion. Everythign after shows your bias against the car becuase of the name and them number of doors. I've got a news flash for you, IF DCX CALLS THIS THING A CHARGER THEN IT IS THE NEW CHARGER!!!! Its offered w/ a 3.5 V6 and a HEMI. I agree it doesnt really look like the old chargers but generally its a big square agressive looking car. It has muscular features. Prehaps you should go back and actually read my previous posts. i stated why its not competeing against ourselves. THE 300 IS A LUXURY SEDAN!!! THE CHARGER IS NOT!!!! IF I WANT LUXURY IM NOT GOING TO DODGE!!!!! The 2 cars appeal to 2 different tastes. THEY WILL NOT COMPETE AGAINST EACH OTHER!!!
This was my whole point for the get go. Its not weather you like the car or not, its the reasoning. If you hate this car because of the name and the number of doors then you not a mopar fan your a charger fan. Your loyalty rests w/ a car not a car company. The NEW CHARGER is 1000000 times better than the intrepid in everyway. Its better looking and has muscle car preformance. To a mopar guy this car is heaven sent.
You jumped on me w/ the same crap every other lame charger hater does, doors and name. ALSO LOOK THROUGH THE THREADS FROM WHEN THE SKETCH WAS RELEASED OR THE SPY SHOTS. If you said you liked it your were met w/ aggression. Im just returning the favor. Sorry If i raise legit reasoning and common sense when I answer you, the truth hurts.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/28/2005 1:30:07 PM
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/28/2005 2:25:48 PM
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man muscle.....how old are you? im not flamming or getting involved with this stupid arguement..i am just interested because i like to sort of track the age ranges of the people who like it, and who dont. you had mentioned that your family has a caravan and a neon, and a ford...so i am guessing that you are a younger guy..and this seems to be the trend..i see alot of younger guys REALLY liking the charger. were i to be hunting for a sedan, the charger would probably be it...but im not...i want something small and sporty...the 99 charger concept had a smaller build to it, and this charger just seems too big and clumpy to me...i dont need a big family car, hemi or not. the reason that i dont like the charger isnt because it has 4 doors, but because it is a big sedan...i was hoping for something small and sporty...i guess ill have to see what else DCX has in store for me, but with the way they are headed, my next car (for the first time) may not have any DCX connections, or will likely be a mistubishi with very light DCX affiliation
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/28/2005 4:34:51 PM
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Your absolutly right, I am a younger guy . The reason why younger guys dig the new Charger is because other than the SRT-4 dodge hasnt made anythign for us (except trucks) and the SRT-4 is a sport compact not a big mean car. We're living off the pics and stories of the older gen. I LOVE the older chargers, challengers, cuda's (Plymouth), road runners, etc, those cars had character,but those cars are yesterdays cars and im a kid in todays car world. Now the new charger gives me a reason to be excited, that we can have our own modern adventures in our modern badass dodge instead of some ricer or muscle car from another company. Anyway I know I was harsh but I was sick and tired of peoples lame b.s. against the car being shoved down my throat. I appreciate your response, thanks.
PS- i wasnt too pleased when I heard it was a sedan but after I saw it at the NY auto show I was down for one.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/28/2005 4:38:02 PM
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BadStratRT
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welp, i have seen it in person, and i listed why i was displeased..it is just another bigger car that i dont need...while the hemi charger may outrun my RT in the quarter mile...ill take my car on anything that has bends...or long runs.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/28/2005 5:23:56 PM
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Im not arguing w/ you.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/28/2005 6:29:11 PM
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WOW thats all I have to say about this whole thread is WOW! Ya'll took a lot of time to type all that, lol. My eye's started hurting after (jgralka Date 4/28/2005 2:47:10 AM )
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/28/2005 10:40:45 PM
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When I look at the new Charger I see a car that will compete against all the other mid to full size family sedans. I also see a car that will be able to compete with cars like Mustang and GTO with it's performance and muscle [ matter of fact I think it out performs each of those two!] but then it will also be car that will be able to compete with higher end cars such as BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus etc etc.......when I hear people bitching about it just because it has a legendary moniker on it or that it isn't a coupe I wonder what they are thinking? I don't see a coupe being able to be everything the new Charger will be. I really liked the guy who said he wouldn't buy a Charger sedan so he got the SRT4 instead...hello? SRT4 is a sports sedan isn't it??
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/29/2005 2:04:49 AM
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Right, and if I want a luxury minivan I buy a town and country(with woodgrain dash) as opposed to the sporty caravan(black and carbon fiber look dash.) Please this is badge engineering at its best. These cars are identical except for a few pieces of sheet metal. Now you should have noticed reasons other than the number of doors and the bland styling. Lets look at the facts. DCX has about 20 thousand of the new chargers on order. Sounds impressive till you find out how many have actually been sold to customers. That number is about 5-7 thousand. So the rest is just filling up dealer inventories. Just as a side note of reference for the month of april we have built about 17 thousand dakotas. And we are not filling inventories for launch. My original point here was to put some reality into dcx's press release. Like I have said before as an emp I hope it sells, but dealers here in the detroit area are not very excited about this launch. ManMuscle thats great that you like this car. Trade in your neon and go to town with your new charger. Just because I don't like this car does not make me any less of a mopar man. I've owned more new mopars than most people my age. Which is only 29 by the way Patrick. I fit right into this supposed category, I'm 29 married have a three year old daughter and a son due in Sept. But I already own my family-mobiles. I wanted a sports car, not another sedan.
Joe
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/29/2005 11:02:32 AM
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scat pack....i you can find me an M5 or M3 that any SRT8 charger will even keep up with, let alone pass it, i will show you a bimmer that has something VERY wrong with it...the new M5 is a factory 12 second car...bmws car classy...the charger...is a magnum sedan with a body kit. i agree with joe 100% the people that are pissed about this being the new charger arent so much bothered by the name, but when people who knew of the old charger heard of a reintroduction of the charger name, myself included, we thought, this will finally be a sports car..a coupe..not a soccer mom car...but the bottom line is that they have built another family car, and i, like joe, dont need another family car.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/29/2005 5:36:30 PM
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"i agree with joe 100% the people that are pissed about this being the new charger arent so much bothered by the name, but when people who knew of the old charger heard of a reintroduction of the charger name, myself included, we thought, this will finally be a sports car..a coupe..not a soccer mom car..."
YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF. Thier not mad at the name, thier mad that a sedan is called "charger". hmmmmm, thats the same thing. thier mad that the name "charger" isnt on a coupe or that its a sedan named "Charger", same thing. As I said GENERAL PUBLIC DOES NOT GIVE 2 S*^TS IF THE CHARGER IS A SEDAN VERSION OF THE MAGNUM!!! THE POINT IS ITS A SEDAN!!! A car they can haul thier families in. A car that sells. NOR DO THEY CARE IF THE NAME "CHARGER" IS ON A SEDAN!!! ITS BANG FOR THE BUCK. There are more standard features for less money and its ALOT cooler looking than any other sedan in its class. It will appeal to people who want somethign badass but practical. It doesnt matter how much you deny it, to the average buyer the 300 is luxury and charger is not. They will not see the same car. You think the way an enthusiat does, not the way the normal person will. The sheet metal is diff and its fancier thats what the general public will see. 2 different markets. Its more then just woodgrain and carbon fiber. ITS SHEET METAL< THE LINES OF THE CAR, INTERIOR, ITS A DIFFERENT CAR. SAME CHASIS THATS ALL. You think the average buyer is reading metor trend? No. I bet half the buyers for the charger dont even know its coming out. They'll no when they see it on the lot. Right now its the Dodge enthusiats putting in thier orders for a badass dodge that they can drive everyday and have a family.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/29/2005 5:54:21 PM
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I don't care what anybody says or thinks...I like the New Charger! No I'm not happy that its a 4dr, but it still looks sweet. I think DC is in bed with the idea of 4dr vehicles. Hell I remember when they wanted to make the Plymouth Prowler 4dr that way it was family friendly; I didnt like the idea nor did they do it, but it doesnt affect the speed nor muscle. In a way I agree with ManMuscle, but he said it all wrong. I think DC is trying to go in a different direction than Ford did with the '05 Mustang. DC is trying to make a new identity for the Charger, and I applaud them for it. Not everything with a retro name has to look RETRO! Hell GM/Pontiac did the samething with the GTO; they didnt go retro either. It dont look anything like its retro-self, but it sure looks good ( I know I'll get crap for that!). People are too busy living in the past, and some things need to change and start with a fresh new idea.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/29/2005 6:09:25 PM
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exactly...the people who are gonna buy it arent interested in performance or anything else..its for people who cant afford a good sedan like a BMW, so they will buy this rehashed magnum...this car is expensive, and doesnt offer bang for the buck,...the SRT4 offers bang for the buck...and how much did you pay for your last car? at this point, im not even sure who you are bickering with? the fact of the matter is that the people on this board who like the charger are not in dodges target market...they dont give a damn what you think...they care what people like joe, and big asp, and tj think, because we are the ones that are prone to buy a car like this...now calm down with your ridiculous arguement about this ugly car. people who have bought a new car on their own are the ones who can offer a useful opinion because theyre the ones that dodge cares about...it is ridiculous how much the people on here who have NO chance of buying this overpriced magnum sedan spout off about it...and its going to stop..period,...if people cannot conduct themselves as adults, i wil just close threads like these...if i find that i am closing threads over and over for the same people...further action will be taken..thank you.
the real problem is that the original charger was a sports car....now dubbed a muscle car...but then, it was a sports car...Charger =sports car...so people assumed that when there was a new charger, there would be a new sports car..
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below is a list of cars...varying in make and price...are they sports car?
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the answer is no...and guess what? neither is this:
it doesnt matter how many horsepower it has..a car of this size and mass isnt a sporty car..it can run factory 11s...its a big family sedan...i dont care i it sells well or not..if i had a need for a big car, hell yeah id want one...but its just ONE more car that DCX makes that i dont need...
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/30/2005 10:10:52 AM
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BadStrat just made my point.....it is for a guy who can't afford a BMW but he still wants performance and versatility. On the street there isn't much of a difference between a 12 second car and a 14 second car since red lights and traffic kinda kill that advantage, and not to mention the Highway Patrol! If the Charger was billed to be a sports car instead of the replacement for the Intrepid I could see people being upset. So Dodge finally gets a performance sedan with style and quality and people complain about it. Chrysler may still have plans for a performance coupe in the future the Stratus and Sebring are still due to be replaced!
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