RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge!
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/21/2005 10:14:09 PM
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I read an article over a year ago that said American cars have surpassed European cars in quality
I just read a magazine about a month ago and they were suggesting the same. All the euro cars received an American car beat-down. A bunch of BS if you ask me.
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i dont think much of anything from dodge can compare to anything from bmw, let alone the 7 series
Doesn't that 7 series start in the mid 40's though? The Charger isn't near that much I don't think. Maybe the M3 or Z4 though ..
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/22/2005 12:55:05 AM
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big asp
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Nothing but posers and haters on this forum...Now we have the magnum,300 and the charger w/ hemi's and here so called "mopar guys" complaing about doors and nonsense????? disgusting.
Whoa big fella! Slow down. Getting a little worked up aren't we? The name calling just makes you look silly and destroys your credibility. Stop waving your DCX pom poms for a moment.
You'll be hard pressed to find a larger, more dedicated, hardcore crowd of Mopar faithful than those at Mopars at the Strip. It's the biggest all Mopar show in the west in only its third year. Whether they are living in the past or not, these are the very people that some say the new Charger was designed to appeal to. The fact is, in spite of what you may say or think, the new Charger just did not get a good reception at the show. You should have stood next to the car and listened to what people were saying like I did. I didn't hear one positive comment - not one. What I did hear was a lot of people saying that they'd buy a new Mustang before they'd buy the Charger. This is not conjecture, not opinion, it is the way it was. Then again, what do a bunch of hateful, cry baby posers know?
BTW, four doors don't bother me, ugly does. I own a 300C, all four doors of it. It's a great, no, an awesome looking car with tons of power for its class. But, the reality is that my old "poser" Plymouth, my old "poser" Duster when it's done and my new "poser" Ram SRT-10 blow it away. In fact, it's not even close. And, the new Charger is nothing more than an uglier, in my opinion, version of my 300C.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/22/2005 9:26:40 AM
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Hey I'm 28 with 2 kids and you what, I'd love a four door "muslce" sedan. I gave up on two door cars after my 81 k-car. Yes they look sharp but there is nothing worse then having to get out or slam yourself into the steering wheel to let people in or out!
From what I've read the coupes are on there way out and sedans are the bigger sellers.
Now I have to pick from the Charger, 300C or the Magnum.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/22/2005 6:43:39 PM
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As Bob mentioned a while back, there are plans for a coupe version of the Charger to come out. We will have to wait and see. I would love to see Carroll Shelby get his hands on one of the SRT models and take it up another notch and bring back the Shelby Charger!
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/23/2005 4:17:21 AM
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Cool, I think the Charger is a nice car. I really like the Daytona and SRT-8 models as well as the R/T. I hope it takes off.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/23/2005 12:27:56 PM
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ManMuscle
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I HAVE driven in the new 7 series and I have driven in the current and last model 5 series and nothing dodge has made comes close to either car. There's a difference in being loyal to a car company and being loyal to a car or even to a number of doors. It seems that the guys and girls on here(not all) are loyal to a dodge car instead of dodge itself. I didn't liek the idea of a 4 door charger when I heard it, but when I saw that it looked muscular and had a HEMI i said THANK GOD finally some dignity. Instead of hearing that I hear' boo hoo 2 extra doors" and a bunch of spiteful low blow comments about the car JUST because theres 2 extra doors and not for any other rational reasons. Theres no doubt that the best charger's were from the 60's and 70's BUT they werent the only chargers. Any mopar guy would get over himself about 2 doors and be glad that dodge has some dignity now, instead of cryin like a baby about 2 doors. Big muscular american styling and a HEMI, thats what a dodge should be.
People who buy the 300 are peole who would buy a benz or bimmer or another LUXURY car. People who will buy the charger are people who would buy a nissan or honda (altima,accord and even the maxima) the 300 and the charger arent competeing w/ each other. As for what I drive, im waitng for the charger but my fam has a caravan V6 and a neon in addition to a ford. I have always been a muscle car guy and I think dodge was always the baddest and the coolest.
Im not saying you have to think like me. I never said that. your opnion is your opinion but I also have the right to an opinion and im sorry if some of the cry babies think im too harsh. The Charger is gonna be a great car and it will sell alot.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/23/2005 12:39:47 PM
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PS- I dont mind the interpid, stratus and neon. I've had a bad experience w/ the neon but the srt-4 is awsome. There nice cars but thier boring. When dodge puts out a rearwheel drive hemi v8 car w/ muscular styling people bash it and embrase mediocrity. I dont understand. Again intrepid and neon and stratus nice cars, the stratus is deff the coolest of the 3 (except for the srt-4) but theres nothign to them. No preformance and boring styling. Im trying to understand.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/24/2005 11:51:56 AM
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big asp
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...Instead of hearing that I hear' boo hoo 2 extra doors" and a bunch of spiteful low blow comments about the car JUST because theres 2 extra doors and not for any other rational reasons...Any mopar guy would get over himself about 2 doors and be glad that dodge has some dignity now, instead of cryin like a baby about 2 doors...People who buy the 300 are peole who would buy a benz or bimmer or another LUXURY car...Im not saying you have to think like me. I never said that. your opnion is your opinion but I also have the right to an opinion and im sorry if some of the cry babies think im too harsh. The Charger is gonna be a great car and it will sell alot.
You started off so well. I thought for a minute that you were capable of a mature discussion with grown ups. But, then you reverted back to being 6 years old and calling whoever doesn't agree with you a cry baby and spiteful. You're right, you have every right to your opinion but with the way that you express it, you just won't be taken seriously, sorry.
Why are you so fixated with the two door/four door thing? Like I said, It ain't about four doors, it's about ugly. The '99 show car had four doors and everyone was all excited about it. The 300C and Magnum have four doors and they look great! It doesn't matter how many doors this new Charger has, it's just not physically attractive. Oh, and I checked the "Mopar Guy's" manual and there is nothingin there about the number of doors or about having to like every car just because Dodge makes it.
BTW, your marketing research is flawed. I have a 300C and wouldn't be caught dead owning a Mercedes or a Beemer. I bought mine because it is a good looking car, has plenty of power, has good build quality reviews, drives and rides great, is a great value and it happens to be a Mopar. I was waiting for several years for the Charger to come out but when I saw it, I bought my 300C.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject. Okay, I'm done with this subject.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/24/2005 12:46:43 PM
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I don't have to agree to disagree. I just disagree with the thought that whoever is interested in a Charger would otherwise be likely to want a Honda or Nissan. duh? I cannot see how someone could be more wrong. Why would someone interested in a Canadian car with a decent Mexican motor made and sold by a German car company be interested in a tiny motor Jap car just because they are made here now? What am I missing? I doubt these two markets even overlap a little.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/24/2005 2:14:31 PM
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ManMuscle
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Dude if you think im immature then maybe you should go through this forum reading some of the anti-charger posts. For months all i've read (for the most part) are cheap shots to the car just becuase it has 4 doors and is named "charger". Go through this forum and read the comments. atleast 70% percent of all the anti-charger comments are because its a sedan. The problem is that all the charger haters think its ok for them to jump up a persons back because they liek the charger or that its not immauture when they make "6 year old" low blow comments at the car in response to someone who simply says they think its a cool car. I dont even knwo where you get off calling my post immature. Cause I call people "haters" and "posers" cause they ARE HATING on a mopar car w/ a HEMI, rear wheel drive and aggresive muscular styling just because of the number of doors or the name. I thought this forum was for dodge fans not just charger fans, People who are loyal to dodge's heritage not just one cars heritage. Im not a fan of the interpid or neon but im not hating on them. I just don't liek them. If someone posts that they love those cars i dont reply w/ a smartass comment or jump down thier throat to point out the negative points of those cars. The only reason I posted an angry reply was because i've been hearing this crap for months.
You need to go back and read my entire post. I said nobody has to agree w/ me. That your entitled to your opinion and thats fine. It took me awhile to like the car myself. I dont care who hates the car and for what reason. But when you start to jump down my throat for likeing the car and the same bs is shoved down my throat all the time it gets anoying. You claim that im saying your wrong if you dont agree w/ me. But maybe you shoudl go see how many of you charger haters do the same thing.
Also my marketing isnt flawed. You guys are enthusiats. Thats why your spending time on a online forum. But to the average car buyer who is not an enthusiast of any company or car its bang for the buck in what thier looking for. If I wanna buy a luxury sedan im not going to dodge. Im going to BMW, benz,infiniti,lexus, chrysler, etc. If i dont care for flashy cars and i just want something average and normal for a good price ill go to honda or nissan or mazda or dodge or whatever. Thats just one of the people the charger will appeal to. As a matter of fact the base charger which is 22g's has a bigger V6 than the base 300. So it has more bang for the buck. So for someone to buy the 300 over the charger they would have to prefer luxury over non-luxury and performance. Same thign goes for the sxt/touring and the 300C/RT. Thier pretty much the same mechanically so it become an issue of "do I want a luxury car or something low key". The styling makes all the difference.
Anyway the point for me is I dont care what the car is called or if it has 4 doors or not, the charger is a badass mopar w/ a HEMI and rear wheel drive and im about dodge not just one dodge car. If you guys hate then fine but dont attack me for liking it. AGAIN thsi is IN RESPONSE to all the peopel who jump down your throat for liking the car and insist that name and number of doors are good reasons to hate it.
< Message edited by ManMuscle -- 4/24/2005 2:22:25 PM >
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/27/2005 12:28:26 AM
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Well this "poser and hater" also happens to work for dcx. I have to agree with big asp. Your first post on this thread was the low blow. I'm sorry if you don't like the truth that this will sell okay, but not great. So then you resort to name calling. The reason most of us do not like the charger is because it is ugly as sin. Sure the four doors don't help the cause either, but if it at least looked like a Charger most of us could overlook the four doors.(See 99 Charger) So what you are saying is if dcx puts out a rwd turd with a hemi I should be happy? Sorry no can do.
Joe
P.S. Noticed you still have not posted what you drive.....
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/27/2005 6:00:45 PM
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ManMuscle
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See, there you go. You just proved me right on everything I previously said.
1. Your basing it on the name "CHARGER". That may be important to you because you are an enthusiast, But the average car buyer, who will make the money for DCX doesnt care about the name. If you base on whats out now its not ugly at all. And I offer the same advice to you, go look through this forum and read the comments. Atleast 70% of the complaints are becuase it has 4 doors and is named charger. The average car buyer will like this car and its an awsome bang for the buck compared to the other cars in its class. Like I said, loyal to a car not to a company. Now people who were bitchin about the number of doors are trying to cover thier tracks by calling it ugly. If you think its ugly cool w/ me, beauties in the eye of the beholder. Im just glad dodge has some balls for a change. BIG improvment over the interpid. Sorry if you dont liek the truth. I provide a valid reason why I think it will sell alot, the only reason you privide is because you "THINK" its ugly. Nice work.
2. Also you proved that your a hypocrite. That was a pretty immature post. After all the lame bs that was shoved down my throat (liek that) I see no problem w/ stating my point of view especially in response to people who questioned my loyalty to dodge just because I said I liked the charger.
3. When i said I liked the car in many of my other posts I didnt force it on anyone. But I was swarmed w/ immature comments and your opinions were shoved down my throat. I return the favor once and all of a sudden im the bad guy. people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. Also when the 99 concept came out people were pissed that it had four doors. Just because peopel got over it dont think they were never unhappy. Again I provide a valid reason and you just come shoving your bs reasons down my throat (its ugly).
PS- learn to read. I posted that Im waiting for the charger but my fam owns a V6 caravan and a neon which i dont liek. Again if you dont liek the car fine but im returnign the favor to all the guys that jumped down my throat cuz I said i liked it. look throught the forum.
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RE: Charger predicted as a Big Hit for Dodge! - 4/27/2005 8:15:57 PM
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Such dissension....I've seen lots of positives - lots of negatives. Purchased my last 3 Mopars the year they came out and will do so on this one. Have had no problems whatsoever on any of them - no worries. As for appearance, I like it much better than what they've done to the Durango & Dakota - will never buy one as they are now. I'm at the point where I want another Hemi toy - the RT will do it for me. I'm tired of looking at '60's bondo-bucket Mopars that owners are asking $20K for w/ a freakin' 383 let alone a 440!!! Sure it's got 4-doors - so does the 300.. I just like the front end of the Charger better and it's sportier. As for the new 'Stang - had them as rentals - like sitting in a matchbox car...
Change happens - sometimes you like it, sometimes not. Took a while to get used the the new RAM; the Dak and Durango - NEVER...Guess the same holds true for the Charger - personally, it's for me!!!!
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