RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota!
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/5/2005 12:43:02 PM
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Megashifter
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My bad... it was a 6 banger... Dollar Auto Rental. Major pig. Blind spots galore 'n the thing tracked all over the road. Any wind at all 'n it was worse. Manually shifting was a waste of time. The guy at the rental office said the 300's had the same complaints. We were thinkin' of buyin' the hemi version of the Magnum. No more.
There's an old adage: "There's no substitute for cubic inches." Power to weight... the proposed 4.7 HO R/T will still not be a match for the older 5.9's w/o some serious mods. The 'Dakota R/T Club' members universally disliked the concept R/T... along with it's hockey stick badging. I wrote earlier that Jurgen should be canned. Looks like DCX has done that... 3 years earlier than his contract. The R/T should be offered with a a reg cab and 6.1 hemi... and they gotta seriously revamp that styling. The Dakota R/T is more than a truck... it's a cult. You people not into that don't understand. It may not be practical in North Dakota f'rinstance... but not everybody lives in ND. Think 'hot rod'... not tow truck.
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/5/2005 3:43:27 PM
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i love the r/ts, but 4.7s have and can beat the r/t
i forget who did it, but they put the 4.7 agaisnt the r/t on a strip, 4.7 beat it, why? the 5.9 has alot of torque, the driver friend the tires off the line every time
and 14.8 is VERY low for a RC r/t, ive seen more 15.1s, thats with a normal driver, not a pro that does it for a living
i think the new r/t, the 4.7HO will beat the old r/t, more power, less wight
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/5/2005 3:49:10 PM
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and i think that the adage in question is "there is no replacement for displacement"
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/5/2005 4:00:10 PM
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I ran 14.82 stock at 75-80 Dragway in Monrovia, MD second week I had it... nuthin' more than a K&N FIPK with a 1.84 60' on R-SA's @ 19psi 'n I don't 'do this for a living'. I dunno how you'd make a living with a hi-14 second car... ??? Launching an R/T requires a decent burn out (no water); some finess on the pedal and a low (1100 RPM) stall when staged. Who is this 'THEY"?
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/5/2005 6:04:50 PM
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Same here, I seen some Dakota's 98-03 models with 4.7's and 5 speed sticks beat out a R/T 5.9 with 4 speed auto. There isn't much difference on power rating between the 2 engines if you play stock vs stock. 235 hp vs 245-250 hp, and 295-300lbs vs 350 lbs. But the weight may be considerably be noticable as the stick and the 4.7's are a quite a few lbs lighter??? Then again, knowing all this, the rest depends on the driver and how good the driver is that utilizes that power.
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/5/2005 8:00:19 PM
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Who is this 'THEY"?
a magazine, cant remember which one
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/5/2005 8:07:21 PM
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one of the magazines had an article about how the newer RCs with 4.7s (not the newest ones) were beating the 5.9 RTs...i didnt believe it either.
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/6/2005 4:59:19 PM
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The mag was sport truck. It was a couple of years ago. The main advantage I had was the stick. The 4.7 launches better than the 5.9, so if I beat it out of the hole the gearing kept me a head. The slush box in the dakotas were terrible. I know you guys are cult like with your R/T's. I have two friends that still own the two cc that I beat. So if the truth hurts, I'm sorry. The other advantage is weight. The 4.7 is a bit lighter due to size, and aluminum heads. The races were in Michigan, on the street. You know where real people race? I got tired of hearing the smack from several r/t owners. I used to work at the 4.7 plant. Did most of the races in front of that building. I bought mine as a sleeper. I wanted a sport truck. That means stick shift, not slushbox. Should have kept that one!
"there is no replacement for displacement"
Not exactly true nowdays with the 4 bangers beating up muscle cars. Tell that to an evo, or an srt-4.
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/6/2005 7:33:32 PM
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"there is no replacement for displacement"
Not exactly true nowdays with the 4 bangers beating up muscle cars. Tell that to an evo, or an srt-4.
thats very true, an i agree with you, but they both have power adders...
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/6/2005 8:34:18 PM
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while there are some fst SRT4s and Evos, I have also sucked a few of them through my hood scoop who wouldnt move over...and the NHRA sport compact series is no where near the capability of the real NHRA, but I think that the Evo is awesome....dodge, as usual, is dropping the ball by getting rid of the SRT4, and if they dont want to offer anything performance wise that isnt a land yacht, in the next two years, my name will likle become BadLS2GTO or BadEvoIX 
mmmmmmmmmm....evo....
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/7/2005 1:10:20 AM
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Patrick you know me I'm a die hard real muscle car lover. My point was just because its lower displacement does not mean its lower performance. Another fine example is the 340. I'd take a 340 over a 383, or a 360, and most definitely a 400 any day of the week!
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RE: Its official America hates the new Dakota! - 8/7/2005 8:46:11 AM
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I've never read a magazine article yet that favored the R/T. Car & Driver for one, needs a competent drag racer. Hot Rod magazine incurred my wrath years ago with their article "Dogkota". Most of the 'truck' mags are into bling 'n not much else. Dunno who you ran (age/experience) but there's quite a few MI R/T's that could blow my doors off. The average R/T is runnin' low 14's to mid 13's w/bolt ons. The hot rodders are low 13's to mid 10's. I've never encountered a problem with any 'Sport' Dakota on the track or off. Only one I know of that really hauls ass is Duner's turbo.
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