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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 2/27/2004 10:25:45 PM
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dd564
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I believe that my Nissan was build in Canton, MS. I didn't follow it here, and I didn't check each part to see where it was made, but there was some certificate or something saying it was made witha certain percentage of American made parts. Not sure if it was 100% or 30%.
I could care less if it was built here or in Japan. Most people who buy Nissans, Toyota's, Volkswagons, Hondas, Volvo's, etc probably could care less. What I find funny are the people who think that they buy buying their Big Three truck is some form of patriotism.
If we were worried about foreign parts and foreign labor, we should worry about foreign gas. Oh wait... crap, I need gas.
Fact is that if we had the great quality of vehicles 20 years ago in this country, the foreign automakers would not be making pickup trucks here. But copanies like GM kept building identical vehicles, throwing different grills and dash boards on them, and started calling them Oldsomobiles, Chevrolets, Buicks, Pontiacs, and Cadillacs. Worst part, they were all crap. If I was buying cars in the 80's I wish I would have been smart enough and open minded enough to buy an import.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 2/27/2004 10:56:50 PM
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But copanies like GM kept building identical vehicles, throwing different grills and dash boards on them, and started calling them Oldsomobiles, Chevrolets, Buicks, Pontiacs, and Cadillacs.
Luckily the Lexus ES330 isn't a rebadged Toyota Camry, likewise for the Lexus GX470, LX470, RX330 and the Toyota 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Highlander. What a relief that the Inifiti Q56, I35, G35 aren't the Nissan Armada, Maxima, Altima with differnet grill and dash. It's also good that the Porsche Cayanne, the Volkswagon Toureg, and the soon to be Audi SUV aren't the same SUV with different window dressing. I'm happy that your cleared that up for me.
It's sad that Oldmobile, Cheverolet, Buick, Pontiac, and Cadillac were created by some marketeer and weren't separate car companies at one time, unlike Lexus and Infiniti must have brought their own culture and style to their new peer companies to produce such unique vehicles.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 2/27/2004 11:06:33 PM
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dd564
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But copanies like GM kept building identical vehicles, throwing different grills and dash boards on them, and started calling them Oldsomobiles, Chevrolets, Buicks, Pontiacs, and Cadillacs.
Luckily the Lexus ES330 isn't a rebadged Toyota Camry, likewise for the Lexus GX470, LX470, RX330 and the Toyota 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Highlander. What a relief that the Inifiti Q56, I35, G35 aren't the Nissan Armada, Maxima, Altima with differnet grill and dash. It's also good that the Porsche Cayanne, the Volkswagon Toureg, and the soon to be Audi SUV aren't the same SUV with different window dressing. I'm happy that your cleared that up for me.
It's sad that Oldmobile, Cheverolet, Buick, Pontiac, and Cadillac were created by some marketeer and weren't separate car companies at one time, unlike Lexus and Infiniti must have brought their own culture and style to their new peer companies to produce such unique vehicles.
BigDave,
Of course all brands rebadge their vehicles, but Daimler Chrysler is actually one of the ones that do it better than other companies. My point was that in the 80's, the GM vehicles looked more similiar than any other two sister brands do now.
Example would have been the 1999 Chryslers and Dodges. Sure, similiarities, but they actually did look different. Same with Nissan & Infinite, Audi and Volkswagon, etc. etc.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 2/27/2004 11:11:57 PM
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So dd just wondering, when you buy a jap truck do you have to send the money(and the jobs) to japan, or does the dealer take care of the dirty work?
HEMI an american legend, built in MEXICO. Tell DCX to bring it back home.
95 percent of the Titan truck is built and assembled in Smyrna Tenn. Since the plant is in Tenn , they employ Americans citizens to build the Titan. What is more American than a truck built in the USA, by Americans. Some profit going Back to Japan is not a bad thing. Dodge trucks assembled in Mexico, with the profits going back to Germany (which isn't very pro-American see the war on terror) is no more American than Nissan is today.
Research your facts before making a post about what is American and what is not .
I own two Dodge trucks, 1 GM car, I'm an NRA member, and I vote in every election so questioning my Patriotism is out of the question.
Research your facts?? Come-on, how much research did you do? I have my window sticker right in front of me, and my 2004 Dodge Ram 1500 was assembled in Fenton, Missouri. It consists of 75% US/Canadian made parts, which does not include the American assembly work. The Hemi engine is made in a brand new factory in Saltillo, Mexico. Your so-called Tennessee made Titan is actually assembled in Canton, Mississippi. The Titan's engine is made in the once cancelled Decherd, TN engine facility. I say once cancelled, because Nissan chose to build their engine plant along with the Sentra in Mexico first, pushing the Decherd ground breaking back until their sales picked up. A visit to your local Nissan dealer will determine the U.S. content of the Titan. It could be more, but it could be less than my German truck.
As far as profits, neither Nissan nor Daimler/Chrysler have seen any profits on these trucks. Both companies spent a lot of $$ on new facilities & new designs, in fact at least in the near term, the U.S. has been benefiting from their foreign investment.
No matter how you put it, Dodges aren't 100% American, neither are Fords and Chevies for that matter.
I don't own a Titan, I own two dodge trucks, here is a picture 
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Another fact is they claim they can tow more? What a crock...
Since the Titan is a weeker truck, what they did is use a Stage 5 towing hitch which I don't care WHAT you put that on, of course it will tow
more. All Dodge and Ford trucks have the option for Stage 5. Previous trucks only used Stage 2, 3 or 4 at the most. Stage 5 is reserved for the big Heavy Duties. So, put a Stage 5 on a RAM Hemi...and what happens? You can pull near 5000 more lbs than the Nissan Titan with the same Stage 5 Hitch..
Are you saying that all Dodge trucks even 1500 1/2 tons can be ordered with a stage 5 hitch or just "Big Heavy Duties" ? Your asking for trouble if you put a class 5 hitch on a 1/2 ton truck and tow a class 5 trailer, regardless of brand.
The Titan is a 1/2 ton truck not a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. Of course a 2500 or 3500 Ram will have a larger towing capacity, it was designed for that purpose (stiffer frame, stronger axles, stronger suspension).
Compare apples with apples, not 1/2 ton Titans to 3/4 and 1 ton Rams that can tow more.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 2/27/2004 11:25:33 PM
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Volkswagon Pasat & Audi A6 has something more than a different grill? Wait a minute the Toyota Camry and the Lexus ES330 have the same grill, or at least the same set of ugly headlights. Chevy's were different from Buicks, and different from Cadillacs, they shared platforms and engines for the most part, but they were as different as many of today's rebadged siblings. I think the difference that you are applying to yesteryear versus today, is that Chevy and Buick offered vehicles in pretty much the same price range, where as today it luxury brands with more bells and whistles are for the most part rebadged common brands.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 2/27/2004 11:30:19 PM
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dd564
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I think the difference is, GM rebadged into Buick, Chevy, Olds, Pontiac, Cadillac. 4 or 5 Brands.
You bought a Chevy, then moved to Pontiac, then Olds or Buick, then Cadillac. So you had to go through 5 brands before yo foud out you might want to try an actual "different" car.
The bells and whistles are the difference. I think you are right with VW and Audi getting to look more similiar though.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 3/2/2004 4:17:20 PM
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I could care less if it was built here or in Japan. Most people who buy Nissans, Toyota's, Volkswagons, Hondas, Volvo's, etc probably could care less. What I find funny are the people who think that they buy buying their Big Three truck is some form of patriotism.
dd564
See dd thats the problem right there. You don't care if I or the 125000 union members of DCX plus the 40-50 thousand management members have a job. Or the other hundreds of thousands of GM or Ford workers have a job. DD how you like it if you knew people were doing something on purpose that was going to put you out of a job? I assume you must have a job to buy a $30000 truck. Thats the point here, I take it personally when I see a toyo or nissan or what ever else on the road. I don't think it has anything to your patriotism, just your basic knowledge of the Americian economy. And you probably are one of those people who wonder why the economy is in bad shape. People like you are not helping.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 3/2/2004 7:12:52 PM
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You can thank the unions as well by pricing our labor force out of the market. They are every bit as guilty as the person buying imported goods. It's all about bottom line. Think about this next time the union tells you to strike, what are you doing to the economy, or the bottom line of producing our cars.
I grew up in Pittsburgh PA. during the 70's, and saw unions run the steel industry into the ground. It really sucked. I truely hope it's not going to happen to our auto makers.
Who cares what dd564's reasons were for buying the Titan. We have to have someone to pick on.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 3/3/2004 3:28:38 PM
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So let me get this straight, its the unions fault for fighting for better pay and benefits for its members? The companies did not agree to these contracts? Please save that for the day when I make a tenth as much as Deiter does. The problem lies with the consumer. You wanted lower prices, this is the result. Cheap prices = Cheap labor PEROID. Plus labor is the least expensive part of a car, last report I saw was about 10 percent of sticker. Like the HEMI is cheaper to produce than the 4.7 according to DCX. I wonder why? The only way they will stop building the HEMI down there is if we stop buying it. But hey I'd pick on anybody that would buy a truck as ugly a titan.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 3/3/2004 7:52:03 PM
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Yeah, that's about it. The companies did agree to these contracts, despite being exorbitant, but have to offset the cost of your pay with "El cheapo" labor over the border. Do you shoulder a tenth of the burden that Dieter does? Unfortunately, I don't have any stats but I'll take a shot with yours. That 10% of sticker you quote for labor, could it be diluted by the cost of "El cheapo" labor across the border. I mean, these people are willing to work for pennies on the dollar compared to you. That is what accounting and finance thinks they should be paying you.
Unions did serve the labor force for the good years ago. Today, with all the labor law, they've outlived their usefulness. I'm curious though, what it is that you do for DCX?
The UAW does a good job with the vehicles they are building, and the foreign companies can keep their cars. I'm a die hard Mopar person who hopes there will always be a Mopar to drive. I can't see myself in that butt-ugly Titan.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 3/3/2004 11:39:27 PM
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See dd thats the problem right there. You don't care if I or the 125000 union members of DCX plus the 40-50 thousand management members have a job. Or the other hundreds of thousands of GM or Ford workers have a job. DD how you like it if you knew people were doing something on purpose that was going to put you out of a job? I assume you must have a job to buy a $30000 truck. Thats the point here, I take it personally when I see a toyo or nissan or what ever else on the road. I don't think it has anything to your patriotism, just your basic knowledge of the Americian economy. And you probably are one of those people who wonder why the economy is in bad shape. People like you are not helping.
I'm not sure how this is my fault. I've purchased all GM and Chrysler vehicles to this point, and now have purchased a truck built in Mississippi. If I went the Dodge route, it would have been made in Mexico I believe.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 3/3/2004 11:42:10 PM
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But hey I'd pick on anybody that would buy a truck as ugly a titan.
Ugly is an opinion. It seems to be the most popular complaint about the Titan so far. I actually love the way it looks, and I kind of like the "Fugly" comments which tells me it's definitely different looking than any other full size out there.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 3/3/2004 11:56:41 PM
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If I went the Dodge route, it would have been made in Mexico I believe.
If you went the Dodge route, it would have been made in Fenton, Missouri U.S.A.
I did checkout the Titan's window sticker, which say it has 60% U.S./Canadian content which classifies it as an American built truck. The VIN also starts with a "1." As I said somewhere in the forums, my Dodge's sticker says 75% U.S./Canadian. Whether we realize it or not, we are all talking about shades of gray, rather than black and white.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 3/4/2004 12:31:51 AM
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Well, either way, I had my fill of Dodge problems, so the hemi wasn't an option.
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RE: Smoked a Hemi - 3/6/2004 12:52:51 PM
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Mopartodd,
To answer your question, I'm a jobsetter, or a machine operator at Mack Avenue Engine I in detroit. We build the 4.7, and Mack II builds the 3.7. I understand why you don't think the unions are useful, but to really understand I think you have to be in the manufacturing realm to see the differance. Also I love how everybody hates the UAW, but would jump at the chance to work in a union shop. The union has done more for non union shops than union shops. Union wages are the high mark and everyone else sets their wage lower based on the union wage. So guess what if I make less so does the guy in the small non union shop. So the unions are helping far more than just the union members. Look at the jap plants that are over here, do you think they pay the same as the big three out of the kindness of their heart? They pay it to keep the unions out. But I feel for their empolyees when they go to retire. They have no contract to ensure they will recieve a pension like we do. They have to trust the companies to honor their word. And we've been seeing lately how well corprate america keeps its word. Please don't get me wrong I think the union needs some BIG changes, but we still need them.
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