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ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/13/2008 10:24:20 AM   
92GreenYJ


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Hey guys. So my truck is doin some wierd stuff lately. over the last two weeks I have been experiencing an on and off issue with the 46RE auto tranny in my 98 Ram 1500 Quad Cab with the 5.2L Magnum V8. Doesn't seem to matter if the overdrive is on or off, it still does it.

Whats been happening the last few weeks occassionally is the following:
Sometimes when I get in it and start it up, I put it in drive and go to take off, give it some gas and it very slowly begins to move, even if im on the pedal more. after a few seconds it catches and goes. Now the really troubling thing happens on the highway. when I accelerate to speed sometimes the tranny won't up shift. wont go from second to third or from third to overdrive. I have discovered when this happens if i let off the gas and shift into neutral for a few seconds then back to drive it will then up shift when i get back on the throttle. Now as i said this has been an on and off issue. another issue i have noticed is when i take off from a stop while turning it seems to shift into second pretty rough on occassion. Now as i said this issue has been on and off and liveable. Until today.

Just went to drop my gf off at work and boy was it having issues shifting! Wouldnt up shift from first to second, had to do the neutral trick. same thing from second to third and third to OD. then when i was cruising on the highway I moved over and barely tapped the gas to accelerate and pass and the tranny must have downshifted 2 gears cause the engine revved up to 4k RPMs then of course wouldn't shift back up until i did the neutral trick. then on the way back home when i was steady on the gas it would pretty much shift out of gear and the RPMs went to redline but it wasn't getting any power to the wheels at all. Also noticed my tranny temp gauge shot up about 50 degrees. Got home and checked the tranny fluid and its full and doesn't look or smell burnt.

So whats the issue? what am i looking at here? Do I need to adjust the bands? the kickdown cable? rebuild the tranny? I do NOT want to take it to a tranny shop if i can avoid it. bunch of schiesters if ya ask me, and I have the tools and know how to fix this myself i think. Just need to know where i need to start looking.
TIA for any help or advice you all can give

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/13/2008 10:45:21 AM   
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its time for a rebuild... you can try to adjust the bands , maybe your trans filter is clogged ,  drop the pan see if you got sludge , metal shavings ? if so she is spent..

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/13/2008 11:42:34 AM   
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i doubt the filter is clogged. just changed the fluid and filter two months ago when i added the temp gauge. I didn't adjust the bands while i had the pan off though since i wasn't sure how to do it. only after i buttoned it back up did i discover the bands are supposed to be adjusted every time you have the pan off. could that be causing the issues perhaps?

Anyone got links to a place i can buy a rebuild kit?

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/14/2008 12:37:49 AM   
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51 views and just one response?

is there really nothing else i can check that might be causing this issue? the TPS maybe? man it never rains it pours. first i find out the restaurant i work at is closing then my tranny craps out on me.

OK so if it does need a rebuild here are the options i am looking at:
#1 rebuild it myself. get a rebuild kit and shift kit (since im in there) pull the tranny out, tear it down, try to rebuild it myself without screwing it up and slap it back in and hope i did it right. this option would i think be the cheap route, trouble is downtime with the truck. i figure this would take me at least two days.
#2 get an aftermarket tranny and slap it in. up shot here is downtime would be minimal, probaly a day for the swap max. downside is cost. I was looking at the doctor evil trans as the cost isn't too out of control.

so what are my other options here? I'd like to keep this at 2k or less if at all possible and keep down time to a minimum.

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/14/2008 7:15:34 AM   
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If you get a new tranny check out APS

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/14/2008 10:42:35 AM   
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yeah i read your post about APS in the other tranny thread yesterday. Problem is i really can't afford that kinda money on a tranny right now. I'll shoot them an email regardless and see what kinda quotes i can get, but i have a feeling its gonna be priced outta my budget

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/14/2008 12:30:58 PM   
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Your sure your TV cable didnt break the retainer on the TB linkage set up? Just sounded like the cable is moving around and your shift points are getting messed up.. also.. I think the nuetral trick might have something to do with the pump???I know the fluids arent pumped in Park.. so maybe by shifting into nuetral, your getting pressure by getting the pump working??? Torque converter could be shot...theres a couple of guys here who are really good at tansmissions.. really know theyre stuff.. give em a day or two maybe you can get better help from them.. sorry...

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/14/2008 3:30:05 PM   
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If I am not mistaken I belive you have a 42re the 46re is what is behind the 5.9l.  I have rebuilt my 46re and it is not a job to be taken lightly and I probably wouldn't do it again to be quite honest.  But basically I spent about $150 on a reman TC, $150 on a rebuild kit, and about $100 on new valvoline synthetic fluid.  So I had about $400 in parts give or take a little.  I would say it will take about 6 hours to drop the tranny, maybe 10 to do the rebuilt and another 6 to put it back in.  The PDF of the factory service manual was quite helpful, so was having someone to help, because these things are very heavy. 

Before diving into a full rebuild make sure your fluid level is topped off.  Drive the truck around and get it up to operating temperature.  Get it on a level surface and run it through all the gears and stop and leave it in neutral.  Apply the parking brake and check the fluid level with the transmission in neutral.  If that checks out adjust the bands to spec also the FSM come in hand here.  Those are just a couple of things to try before tearing into a rebuild.  You could also take it by a transmission shop and have them do a diagnotic on it too if you would like.

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/14/2008 3:37:24 PM   
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I don't know much about the trannies in these vehicles, but I do know this...

The 42RE was only behind the 3.9L V6.  The 5.2L and 5.9L both have the 46RE. 

EDIT: Unless of course you have a pre-1996 model year truck, which would mean you have a 42RH or 46RH.  But the truck here in question is a 1998, so thats irrelevant. 

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/15/2008 12:32:21 AM   
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got the build sheet in front of me, its the 46RE. havent had a chance to check the tv cable. Im off on saturday though so i'll be able to poke around under the hood and see what i can see. i checked the fluid level as mentioned above and it is full. it looks and smells good. im really hopin its something simple.

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/15/2008 9:15:17 AM   
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Yup you should have the 46RE which you said you did. 

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/15/2008 11:47:45 AM   
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When checking the TV cable also check the the mounting points on the tranny. I had the outside sheathing mount become disconnected and hte tranny acted really wierd. Like all cables, the sheathing has to be attached at both ends AND the cable has to be attached at both ends or the cable cannot slide through the sheathing. Another forum member had the same problem as I did and found his connections at the tranny had come loose.

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/15/2008 3:00:30 PM   
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well i have an hour before the girlfriend gets off work so im gonna head out there and take a look and see if i can find something simple thats out of whack

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/15/2008 5:05:35 PM   
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ok, let me tell you how funny life is and how much I love this town! I went out back and started pokin around, the tv cable looked fine, checked the connections, etc. Now my check engine light has been on for a while. it was throwing the code for cylinder #4 misfire. One of those things i keep meaning to figure out and fix but haven't had the chance. So I get to thinking maybe its throwing a code for the TPS or something tranny related now. So I decide to drive the Ram 5 blocks down the street to my local Auto Zone and use their code reader to see what codes its throwing. I get there and its packed so I get on line for the parts counter to borrow the reader. when its my turn I ask for it and the guy standing next to me in line says, "neah, i got a better one you can use. what are you driving?" I told him its a 98 Ram 1500 and he says "Oh perfect, I'm a Dodge mechanic!" ok, cool.

So we head out to the parking lot, he grabs his code reader from his truck and we go to mine, he plugs it in, its now throwing codes for cylinder #4 misfire, number 6 misfire and random cylinder misfire, but nothing for the trans. So he tells me to pop the hood and start it, i did. he takes one look under the hood, points his finger at the passenger side exhaust manifold and says "thats causing your misfires". the gaskets on the exhaust manifolds are leaking and sucking in air. ok, sweet, thats a pretty cheap and easy fix for that, but im having real issues with my tranny. So he says go down three blocks and hang a right, go down half a block and pull into Pacific Transmissions, ask for Jesse, tell him Scotty sent ya (my name is also Scott BTW) and he'll diagnose it for you for free. SWEET!

So I go over another couple of blocks, walk in, theres Jesse sitting behind the counter. I tell him I just ran into a guy named Scotty at Auto Zone and he sent me to see you. Jesse asks me what i drive and what its doing, I describe my problems. He asks if its here, I say yes, he says ok, lets go for a drive. So we get in, he drives and amazingly the tranny was doing exactly what it has been doing. (that never happens) So he drives it around for a bit, shifts around manually on the column, listens, etc. we go back to the shop, he checks the fluid which is full. then grabbed his reader, hooks it up, it doesnt throw any codes so he says ok, lets go for another drive. we take off again and again hes trying various things, different throttle, etc. now we get back t the shop and he says he thinks theres a stuck valve in the tranny. as we are pulling in now we hear a grinding noise that was not there before. He says ok, leave it here, I'll drop the pan tomorow and see what the problem is and call and let you know what i find then you can decide what you want to do from there. He asks where i live and if i need a ride, i said no, im only about 8 blocks away, so i handed him my keys, left my info and walked home.

So tomorow i should be getting a call from Jesse to see what the deal is. I'm praying its just a small part in the tranny that went south or something and its not totally destroyed. If its something major I'll see what he would charge me for a rebuild, a new tranny, etc then weigh my options out from there.

but hows that for a weird series of coincidences?

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RE: ok, whats up with my tranny?? - 5/15/2008 5:32:54 PM   
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ok, let me tell you how funny life is and how much I love this town! I went out back and started pokin around, the tv cable looked fine, checked the connections, etc. Now my check engine light has been on for a while. it was throwing the code for cylinder #4 misfire. One of those things i keep meaning to figure out and fix but haven't had the chance. So I get to thinking maybe its throwing a code for the TPS or something tranny related now. So I decide to drive the Ram 5 blocks down the street to my local Auto Zone and use their code reader to see what codes its throwing. I get there and its packed so I get on line for the parts counter to borrow the reader. when its my turn I ask for it and the guy standing next to me in line says, "neah, i got a better one you can use. what are you driving?" I told him its a 98 Ram 1500 and he says "Oh perfect, I'm a Dodge mechanic!" ok, cool.

So we head out to the parking lot, he grabs his code reader from his truck and we go to mine, he plugs it in, its now throwing codes for cylinder #4 misfire, number 6 misfire and random cylinder misfire, but nothing for the trans. So he tells me to pop the hood and start it, i did. he takes one look under the hood, points his finger at the passenger side exhaust manifold and says "thats causing your misfires". the gaskets on the exhaust manifolds are leaking and sucking in air. ok, sweet, thats a pretty cheap and easy fix for that, but im having real issues with my tranny. So he says go down three blocks and hang a right, go down half a block and pull into Pacific Transmissions, ask for Jesse, tell him Scotty sent ya (my name is also Scott BTW) and he'll diagnose it for you for free. SWEET!

So I go over another couple of blocks, walk in, theres Jesse sitting behind the counter. I tell him I just ran into a guy named Scotty at Auto Zone and he sent me to see you. Jesse asks me what i drive and what its doing, I describe my problems. He asks if its here, I say yes, he says ok, lets go for a drive. So we get in, he drives and amazingly the tranny was doing exactly what it has been doing. (that never happens) So he drives it around for a bit, shifts around manually on the column, listens, etc. we go back to the shop, he checks the fluid which is full. then grabbed his reader, hooks it up, it doesnt throw any codes so he says ok, lets go for another drive. we take off again and again hes trying various things, different throttle, etc. now we get back t the shop and he says he thinks theres a stuck valve in the tranny. as we are pulling in now we hear a grinding noise that was not there before. He says ok, leave it here, I'll drop the pan tomorow and see what the problem is and call and let you know what i find then you can decide what you want to do from there. He asks where i live and if i need a ride, i said no, im only about 8 blocks away, so i handed him my keys, left my info and walked home.

So tomorow i should be getting a call from Jesse to see what the deal is. I'm praying its just a small part in the tranny that went south or something and its not totally destroyed. If its something major I'll see what he would charge me for a rebuild, a new tranny, etc then weigh my options out from there.

but hows that for a weird series of coincidences?


I'm not quite sure the "gaskets" are leaking....   Im about 99.9% sure that the stock manifolds do not have gaskets at all.  So is the dodge mechanic really a dodge mechanic??  You may have fallen into some luck, but just be careful.  Most of the time for the random misfires, usually a tune-up is done, and if that doesnt solve the problem the cat is replaced because it is clogged.  The only other time that I have seen for missfire codes, would be for heads that are cracked.  Wish ya luck.

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