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RE: New Direction - 5/10/2008 5:54:27 AM
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01DodgeRam360
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The 3" Fabtech comes with 4 shocks, and 1" spacer for the front, and 2.5" black in the rear I believe. Do the other systems come with 3" coil springs in the front? I want whatever will perform and look the nicest, that's what I'm most after. Starting fresh and knowing everything is matching and healthy would make my mind really at ease lol. I think it's going to cater to the mental infatuation with having a "lift" still while also being able to do the things I like to do with the truck primarily. It would be nice if I could use the 35" tires until I could afford new tires though. Maybe if they work fine I'll stay with that tire size, but I'm pretty sure I want to go down at least one size to get more power back, better gas mileage, and better roadibility. I'm still not sure what the next tire size down I should go with though. I just want a tire that will still give the truck that lifted look. Do you guys think the truck is going to still look lifted? Anybody have pictures of a 3" lift on their truck? Is that a 3" lift on your truck hometheaterman?
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RE: New Direction - 5/10/2008 6:40:57 AM
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hometheaterman
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I thought you wanted to get away from spacers? a 1" spacer in front proably won't give your truck 3" of lift total since you would take your spacer out. I'd personally spend the extra to get a kit that doesn't have the spacers. My Skyjacker kit has coils up front. So you would replace the Offroad edition coils and the spacer. You can probably sell the offroad coils for a little bit of money. For the back you don't want a kit that has blocks either. Get a kit with a Add a leaf for the rear. You already have a factory block so if you get any kit with blocks you will have to stack them which is a huge no no as they can slip apart. I'm sure you will get some retards on here that tell you it's fine probably the same ones that say they use hockey pucks as a body lift but anyone that knows what they are doing will tell you stacked blocks are unsafe as they will slip apart.
If you want to get your rear lift from a block you need to get a bigger block that is the factory height plus the size of the lift block so it's just one huge block. You can do that and be okay but I personally still think you would be better off to just get a kit with a AAL.
My truck still looks lifted. Does it look like a monster truck no but it does look pretty bike. A 3" lift would only be like 1.5" lower than what you have now and if you think about it 1.5" isn't that much. It will get about another 1" lower if you go to 33"s but still thats not a ton lower.
Yes my truck has a 3" lift with 33"s. It doesn't have the stock wheels so just picture the tires not sticking out like mine but otherwise it should look similar.
BTW since I was telling you I'd just go with a longer coil and not spacers here is what my front suspension looks like 
Now unless you get a older Skyjacker kit I think Skyjacker powder coats them black instead of red now.
The Skyjacker kit also comes with lower control arms that look nice but you don't need those with just a 3" lift. You only need those with more than 3".
BTW if you get a 3" lift that comes with spacers you are going to be in the same situation as you are now. You can't use a 3" lift with spacers on your truck unless you take the offroad edition coils off and put regular model coils on. I personally would get a kit that has bigger coils like the Skyjacker to avoid all that.
If you look in my profile thats 3" of lift with 33"s.
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RE: New Direction - 5/10/2008 10:44:23 AM
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Will, I guess I'm still a little confused though about the lift situation. It was my understanding that the 3" lift with the spacers would utilize the stock coil springs I have now? The truck stock has a 2" coil spring. So wouldn't adding a 1" coil spring in the front make it total of 3"? So it would be an inch taller than my truck stock? Also, I thought the blocks would replace the blocks I have now, or is that not right? What blocks do I need to make the truck match all around? I just want the truck to be a little taller than what it stock. A total of 3". I thought the 3" kit would take care of all of that? I don't mind the spacer because it's only 1". The one I have is a 3" coil spacer, and everything else on the truck is too small for that amount of lift. What size block is on the offroad edition? I didn't know the block was supposed to be stacked, I assumed it replaced the stock block and would match the 3" lift. So, I don't know what to really look for. I don't really want to spend more than $500 on a lift ya know?
** I also don't know if the guy who owned the truck before did anything to the rear. I know there is an AAL in the rear, but I can't tell if that's all he did. That 3" Fabtech kit comes with an AAL and a 2.5" block in the rear, wouldn't that make 3" in the rear? Then the 1" spacer for the front would make a total 3" in the front? Then it'd just be a matter of putting in 4 new shocks for the front and rear, right?
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RE: New Direction - 5/10/2008 4:01:40 PM
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01DodgeRam360
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Ok, I guess this is my goal with this lift. I've just been doing a lot of thinking lately. With the way gas prices are right now, and the risk I can't take for anything prematurely breaking because of the big tires and crappy lift, I want to set this truck down a little bit. I don't want it to be stock height, this is why I think the 3" lift is the perfect solution. Makes the truck a little higher than stock so I get my liftkit satisfaction, but it's also not going to be so high that I'll be stuck running 35" tires and having to pay $1,000+ on a 5" liftkit. Besides, I don't need it that high. I rarely mud. In fact what is most fun to me is being able to go fast, I like to speed, it's in my blood. I hate being limited to doing 85 on the highway. I hate feeling bad about flooring it because I know my truck is having to lug around these giant 35" offroad tires. Personally, what would really satisfy me is having a nice fresh new liftkit on the truck, and running a 33" tire. With a 3" lift, the 33" tire should look proportional like the truck does now. Then the truck will have a little more stability, be able to do long trips effortlessly, I'll be able to do my speeding when I'd like to, and the truck won't struggle to get up to speeds like it does now. And to top it off, I'll get better gas mileage, and things on the truck are just going to last longer because it won't have the stress of moving giant tires all the time. So I'm not really sure what kit to go with still. I mean aren't the coil springs I have now 2"? So theoretically, couldn't I take the AAL out of the rear, and put a 1" coil spacer in the front, and be done with it? Then as I please, I can replace the shocks when I can afford it? Or I don't know, just thinking out loud here. I won't be back til Monday though. But hopefully you guys can get me some final answers here based upon the infomation I've given to you about my goals and driivng styles. Thanks fellas.
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RE: New Direction - 5/10/2008 8:32:57 PM
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That eBay kit is not what you want. It has a bunch of parts you don't need and not the ones you should get. Those blocks look like the ones you stack ontop of your current rear blocks which just isn't safe. You don't need a bunch of those other parts it has either.
The Summit Kit looks better for the rear as it has a AAL but you will be in the same situation you are now in the front. It has a 3" spacer and it will put your truck at the height it is now without changing all the parts needed. You can use a kit like that on a non offroad model truck. Since you have the Offroad model you need to add a bunch of parts if you add a 3" spacer. If you however replace the coils with just 3" lift coils it will give you 3" lift over the factory non offroad trucks but only 1.5" over what the stock offroads are and thats what you want to use. Or you can get stock coil springs from a non offroad and then use that spacer but thats not what I'd do. The max you should go on stock front end parts is 3" over the height of the non offroad Rams. Since you Offroad model gives you 1.5" of lift stock the max you should go over the stock height of them is a extra 1.5" in the front.
As for the AAL you have now it depends on how much lift it's for as to if you can reuse it. If you get a kit I'd just get one with the correct AAL you need. Yours could give you 2" of lift which would work or it could give you 4" of lift which would have the back sit way high. It's hard to tell. Thats why I'd just replace it all.
I'll try to find you a kit that I'd get.
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RE: New Direction - 5/10/2008 8:39:49 PM
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Here is a kit I'd probably get. All you should need besides what is included here is shocks. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SJA%2DD3012K&N=700+4294925130+4294924653+4294908110+4294907804+4294843846+4294908395+115&autoview=sku
It has lower control arms which you don't have to have but they look better imo then it gives you the new coils for the front and the new aals for the rear.
You should call Skyjacker and ask what model shocks you need or call Summit although sometimes they get stuff like that confused as to which it will fit. I've had it happen 2 times. So I'd call Skyjacker if it was me.
I would get a kit with all new coils up front as a 3" lift kit with 3" spacers up front won't be a 3" lift on your truck it will be a 4.5" which will mean you need new parts it doesn't have.
For the rear I wouldn't stack blocks either I'd get a nice AAL . Honestly that Skyjacker kit is about what you would need. That plus shocks and you should be set. Just be warned it may or may not be red anymore. Skyjacker has changed to black powerdercoated parts instead of red. I like red best but I'm not sure which summit will sell you so might want to ask if it matters to you.
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RE: New Direction - 5/10/2008 10:12:20 PM
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RE: New Direction - 5/11/2008 9:29:08 AM
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I have to second third and fourth the "Do not stack lift blocks" ever! it's almost worse than stacking hockey pucks. one is fine, multiple is a huge huge no-no
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RE: New Direction - 5/12/2008 6:57:45 AM
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Here is a kit I'd probably get. All you should need besides what is included here is shocks. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SJA%2DD3012K&N=700+4294925130+4294924653+4294908110+4294907804+4294843846+4294908395+115&autoview=sku
It has lower control arms which you don't have to have but they look better imo then it gives you the new coils for the front and the new aals for the rear.
You should call Skyjacker and ask what model shocks you need or call Summit although sometimes they get stuff like that confused as to which it will fit. I've had it happen 2 times. So I'd call Skyjacker if it was me.
I would get a kit with all new coils up front as a 3" lift kit with 3" spacers up front won't be a 3" lift on your truck it will be a 4.5" which will mean you need new parts it doesn't have.
For the rear I wouldn't stack blocks either I'd get a nice AAL . Honestly that Skyjacker kit is about what you would need. That plus shocks and you should be set. Just be warned it may or may not be red anymore. Skyjacker has changed to black powerdercoated parts instead of red. I like red best but I'm not sure which summit will sell you so might want to ask if it matters to you.
But see, why is that so much money? It doesn't even come with new shocks? However instead of shocks and a spacer it's coming with coil springs which would eliminate spacers all together. So that will work on a offroad edition? I think that does look nice, and then when I can, I could replace the shocks when I can afford it. Would that replace my stock blocks as well? A 315 is a 35" tire, and a 285 is too thin. I brought the truck to the offroad shop today and he's looking up prices to have a 3" lift put in. I think he's getting confused though between the whole "offroad edition" deal. I kept saying I wanted a 3" lift, and he kept saying it's going to be the same as it is now. What I was trying to tell him though was I wanted something "total" of a 3" lift, I don't want to stack a 3" lift ontop of the offroad package suspension. A 3" lift could either mean putting a 1" spacer in the front, or replacing the coil springs with 3" springs. It's just the rear I don't know what it is. I have pictures of the rear. Can you guys tell if it's the stock block, and what AAL it is? Also, another thought. Would it hurt to just buy the 3" coil springs and the block and AAL seperately? Would that be cheaper? Seeing that I don't really need the control arms?
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