ok, first of all, i know i'm new here so i expect lots of negativity and sarcasm, so common knock yourselves out. then... my sad story... i recently purchased the 2007 dodge charger R/T and i just want to say that i'm totally disappointed. the car's response to the gas pedal is a joke, a ford mustang (automatic) which is 300 horse power (charger is supposed to be 340) kicks the dodge charger's REAR in acceleration any time any day. the speed limiter is a nuissance (why would i pay such an amount for a car that wouldn't pass 200 km/h). the navigation system installed by the dealer is a useless incompatible wasted kenwood (totally overpriced by the dealer, could've used this amount to install headers + cat backs if the agency said that they're available) which the dealer ruined the dashboard to make it fit in. rust was all over the doors screws and suspension and dealer only fixed by greasing it. the car is eating gas like candy and isn't giving power in return (i almost got a** kicked by a 2006 honda civic wich eats half the gas).after two months and the brake padsstarted squeeling likeslaughtered pigs and the steering wheel fellsshake like gello on high speeds (what a joke, this was supposed to be a sports car for god's sake). andnot tooverlook the junkycontitouring tyres whichare usefull to whisstle for a cab whenever i touch the brakes or go ona speedy turn.anda leg-breakinstead of a hand-brake???!!! man what the hell are they thinking!!!i really think that i should've bought a mustang or even a used BMW 530i(which can go up to 250WITH the speed limiter)... i don't know what else to say.

First of all, welcome to Dodge Forum, Mohamad! Sorry to hear about your bad experience with your Dodge. BTW, did you get to test drive the car before you bought it??

Dusty

it was a special offer period and the dealer said they currently don't have a test drive car... there were only a few pieces left of the 2007 stock because the 2008 was on the way. and this is kinda my third car, and the dealers seem to have this same issue all the time. my first was a toyota camry 2007, the second was a used BMW 328i 2000 and then i ended up with dodge charger 2007. of course in the BMW case i got to test it since it was a used car. but now since you mention this, you mean to tell me that this is the case for all of you guys?

A mustang weighs in at quite a bit less than the much larger four door charger thats why it would be better in acceleration. I would never buy something that I couldn't test drive first.

Why in the hell do you need to go faster than 125 MPH? Lots of those problems sound like its from you abusing it, judging by they way you have been driving it...

but with all the stuff i mentioned, it's not only about weight, it's about whether the car is built with care and for the purpose it was built for or not.

All I can say is this: Dodge is far from perfect, but so is Toyota, Ford, Honda, GM, Etc. Everyone has their lemons, and their bad dealers, but it sounds like you just happened to get both.

Good grief, guy. If you were dumb enough to buy any vehicle without first test-driving it, you've got no one to blame but yourself. Go have the chaplain punch your TS card.

"Why in the hell do you need to go faster than 125 MPH?" excuse me but isn't this aracing car? man my camry used to go to 240 km/hno problem and so was my beemer. ofcourse i'm not driving it this way all the time, but sometimes you get challenged and you have to answer the the call.and we're not speaking about perfection, we're speaking about craftsmanship and well build. and speaking of which, i never heard anyone complain about a BMW is non responsive to KICKDOWN... hell that was even highly responsive on my 2000 model. and why the hell does installing a superchip to fix all these bugs void my warranty? do i have to live with this untill my warranty is expired?... and "indianrefining" i knew your type will jump in with lots of unnecessary comments, so knock yourself out, spill all the poisons in your guts. but you know what, you're somewhat right, i should've never bought such a car without test driving, but you can be more polite though.

Well, excuse me all to H... for being less than polite, but just what is your point? Obviously, you don't like the vehicle which you purchased. Do you really think that the posters on this board are going to take up a collection and refund your money? Pay it off (or, at least, down) and trade it for something which will suit you. Griping about it on this forum isn't going to accomplish anything, is it?

Actually, no the Charger is not a race car, it's a family sedan. It weighs close to a ton more than a Mustang, comparing a full size LX body car to a pony car is idiotic. Of course, so is buying a vehicle without test driving it. It's like marrying a woman you never met and then being suprised she's bad in bed. You've got a warped image of what the Charger is supposed to be built up in your head and its no one's fault but your own.

well let's all great our second contestant here Mr. high almighty "Pyro" who has nothing to offer to this forum but insults... let's not forget that he's the second of his kind that has come especially to insult me and my intelectual abilities for a reason that i don't know of... well, i'm gonna answer your two posts with the same phrase: i do not expect and do not want the posters to pay my billsor cover my health insurance, no thank you Mr. "indianarefining", but if at least i'm not humping on wall and screeming: oh my,look at me with my fancy ride (whatseover you and pyro are riding) but instead i'm saying my honest opinion so that maybe i save someone from falling in the same s#!% i'm in right now. and maybe if someone has had the guts to do what i'm doing now, i wouldn't have been writing anything anywhere.

"Woozie". Sometimes a name says it all.

Everybody play nice or this thread will be locked......

Dusty

Actually, that might be for the best! ;)

i recently purchased the 2007 dodge charger R/T and i just want to say that i'm totally disappointed. the car's response to the gas pedal is a joke

Why did you buy it then?

even a used BMW 530i


That would have been a great move. A friend of mine has one and it's a rocket

"indianrefining"... whatever your comment on my nickname meant (which i'm sure you mean an insult) thank you so much.

"dustyloins"... i didn't start insulting anybody, and closing the thread won't be a good idea, perhaps banning the trouble starters is a more effective way.

"ViperGTS"... believe me bro, if i knew that this was the case with the"Charger", i wouldn't have got it, but the benchmarks and the reviews everywherewere pointing that the Dodge Charger "IS" a rocket and all comparison sites showed that it can beat the BMW530 in everything (gear ratio, horse power, torque,... u name it), so basically what i'm doing here is mentioning the truth about my experience with "Dodge" instead of flatterring it to show-off, so that maybe i can save someone from falling to the same trap. and i was expecting to see people saying that this is an individual case that happened to me only,however it seems it's a general issue but still everybody just mentions the positive side and becaomes an enthusiast for whatever they're having instead of admitting the negative sides of the story.

ORIGINAL: woozie



"dustyloins"... i didn't start insulting anybody, and closing the thread won't be a good idea, perhaps banning the trouble starters is a more effective way.




I never said or suggested in any way that YOU did start insulting anyone. I suggested "everybody play nice". As for banning people, that is a last resort. Most people here act like adults and don't cause problems. However, there are some topics/threads that cause friction and those tend to get locked.

Dusty

You know what...just nevermind.

Woozie, really just STFU and leave. Nobody wants you here, you obviously are not contributing to this forum whatsoever. Why in the hell would the admins ban long time members that have no history of causing trouble, because a guy that has been here for a day with 5 posts takes offence to everything everybody says.


Just saying what everyone else is thinking...

jr Mechanic, F*U* ... it's not up to you to tell anybody to leave.. and why do the the long time members harrass new members?!!! what did i do to get called an idiot... i'm just posting my opinion and didn't ask for anything from anyone, so why don't people just either comment polietlyand positively (that's if there was anything to comment about) or just leave without saying anything... what do you add by insulting someone???!!!

Usually we refer to people posters like you as trolls, only posting to stir up trouble.

Sorry to hear that your not too happy about your Charger, I test drove one a while back but i didn't exactly get up to 200km/hr.... I take it your NOT from north America woozie?

Greg -

Check his profile. (I'm thinking that he's just been having a difficult time lately because his favorite camel left him. :D)

Greg-

thank you for your comment, and actually i'm an Egyptian working in the United Arab Emirates, unfortunately as i said before i got my Charger in a special offer period so the dealer didn't have a test car available, so i checked out the owners' reviews and they wereall saying that the car isawesome so i decided to proceed... it's just a matter of bad timing, a bad dealerand some bad-a$$ corrupt reviews... that's why i'm posting this review to give a clear picture of how things are.

indianrefining-

OMG, there're still people so ignorant to think that arabs are still riding camels!!! oh now i know who's the idiot... i work in a major real estate investment company and we're having lots of partners in the US you pesky peasant. i have friends from the US that don't wanna go back after they've visited me here and seen the life we're living... in case you didn't hear, the tallest towers in the whole worldare being built in Dubai, the Palm Islands are having houses for most of the celebrities and hot-shots in the whole world, we ride cars that you would only dream to wipe their windsheilds.. and while you're still sleaping in your*PIG* farm humping your M*M or S!S like the *PIG* you are, we are living in palaces and villas, and travel the world that you've only seen on TV while picking your nose. and by the way, camels are proud animals, not like *PIGS* which hump their siblings.

and Jr. Mechanic-

i don't know what itched your a$$ to rise against me, and i didn't post anything that stirs up trouble and theTROLLS you're speaking about are people who go bashing *insulting* other people for no reason and think they're all high and mighty and don't make mistakes. so i think that good examples of Trolls over here are you and *indianrefining*

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ORIGINAL: woozie

Greg-

thank you for your comment, and actually i'm an Egyptian working in the United Arab Emirates, unfortunately as i said before i got my Charger in a special offer period so the dealer didn't have a test car available, so i checked out the owners' reviews and they wereall saying that the car isawesome so i decided to proceed... it's just a matter of bad timing, a bad dealerand some bad-a$$ corrupt reviews... that's why i'm posting this review to give a clear picture of how things are.



Ahhh, I see. I heard a few things about UAE, mainly from the impressive emails of the impressive construction jobs you guys completed lately, just like the pictures you posted above! I sure wouldn't mind to travel to UAE some time. When I test drove the charger a while ago, I though it wasn't too bad of a car, it handled ok and the acceleration and braking were better than my truck!!! I wasn't too impressed by Dodge's usual cheap dash tho, and I do know from experience that Dodge's quality is not the best at times, that is why I would be a bit hesitatant to get another Dodge. If I am in the market for another car, I would shop around and see what is out there. Sorry to hear about your bad deal, I my self am not too crazy for pushy salesmen, if I am dealing with one, I usually just say 'f*ck this' and walk away (or that is what I should do some times!), but maybe thats just me. It also depends on what you are comparing the charger to; If you compare it to a Mercedes or even a BMW, then the later two choices will be the much better choice. The Charger is on a different class as some of the other choices you compared it to earlier. I just hope you got a good price with it at least.

Also, btw, glad to hear you guys are using the metric system!!! Nice to hear speeds in km/hr every now and then!!!

Very enlightening. Isn't it amazing what can be financed and builtwith oil money? Of course, if the Americans, Brits and French had not told the bloody Arabs what oil was (and that it had some value) in the first place,it might have been a different story.

As to the "insults" which your original post invoked, what did you expect? It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realize that asite titled "Dodge Forum" is pretty heavily populated with folks who like Dodge vehicles and wish to exchange information regarding same. It is hardly a place to post messages bashing Dodge products. What was it which you thought your message was going to accomplish? If you find your vehicle to be less than satisfactory, that's a shame, but is also your problem. If you don't like it, sell it or trade it off.Yourexperience and views are not going to have any impact on the vehicular preferences of any significant number of the members of this forum.

Pardon me, now, while I going back to buggaring my swine. I'm trying to create a litter of wogs. :D

Greg-

at first let me say that you're most welcomed to visit UAE or Egypt at any time, and you can consider my houses in both are yours, just give me a PM with your phone and i'll reply with mine and you make sure you give me a call when you're coming. and second, i'm really happy that someone is finally discussing the topic subjectively and giving honest opinion about the dodge. and you'vepointed a very important factor, which is the pesky pushy salesmen... the SOB didn't tell me that they can install the mopar upgrades and kept pushing for installing navigation, bluetooth...etc. i'm not ashamed to say that i didn't know that a dealer can also install aftermarket upgrades, it's my first muscle car, so it's okay that i miss a thing or two. and you're also absolutely right about the Mercedes and BMW, they're on another level, and i'm sure that they'll be my next targeted category for future cars.

indianrefining-

well, as you would have noticed if you weren't so blind, i'm an Egyptian, a civilization that gave light to many others such as the english, british and frensh you're blabering about. and then, you know what, petrol money can do lots of things, like giving jobs tothousands of americans, british and frensh that are working here and living among us a life you wouldn't dream of. but yet, the petrol was on this land and you worked for us to extract it, but we didn't jump on another civilization and steal their land and butcher them and claim their land and *PETROL* as ours (your nick name says it all). of course i'm not speaking about all americans,i personally admire the american civilization as new as it may be, and i knowhow helpful and courteousamerican people are, since as i said before i have many american and french friends (as i speak three languages, i wonder how many languages you can speak), but i'mtalking about the thugs and inmates (which areknown by their *BAD MANNERS and INSOLENCE*)that were sent to pacify the resistant civilizations which lived in the american continents.

and about the forum, this is my opinion about the car i've got and i'm saying it honestly, not to stir trouble, but just to help give a clearer picture. and i don't know why do people tend to get over-zealous over their stuff whether it's good or bad!!! it's okay to admit that one has made a mistake or was misled, it's better than pretending that nothing has happened and letting others fall for the same trap.
i hope you understood my point of view, and as strange as it may look, but i'm really sorry if i made anybody feel uncomfortable, i never meant to do this, i'm just - as i said a million times - trying to give an honest feedback. and didn't mean to insult you either but you simply called me an idiot for no reason...
"one who has done no mistakes, have never tried something new" and "one who has done *a* mistake is not necessarily an idiot".

ORIGINAL: woozie

especially to insult me and my intelectual abilities for a reason that i don't know of...

If you're gonna use the word intellectual, spell it right at least.

Maybe you should've told the dealer no sale if you can't have a test drive first.
you got screwed, deal with it. Don't think you can come onto any forum and insult the members who have been on for much longer than you have owned your car. You have taken simple comments and turned them into a big deal.

You may not be a troll, but you are a crybaby, grow up.

kthxbi

Woozie, sorry man but I re-read the thread, no one ever actually called you an idiot...

batman13

Just great... another sc*m bag a$$hole who thinks he's the smartest guy on earth. Missing a letter while typing doesn't mean I misspell my words, but since you've such an empty shallow life to keep searching for spelling mistakes on the forum, would you please check the grammar too?
And I can and will insult whoever insults me such as your sorry pathetic a$$ no matter how long have you been on the forum. Being a vet, doesn't mean that *YOU* can go insulting anyone you want. And this forum is for people to say they opinion whatever it is so I said mine.

Fact: not test driving the car doesn'tnegate the reality that it is a trashy cheaply engineered car.

Jr.Mechanic... maybe you're reading the wrong page.

ORIGINAL: woozie

batman13

Just great... another sc*m bag a$$hole who thinks he's the smartest guy on earth. Missing a letter while typing doesn't mean I misspell my words, but since you've such an empty shallow life to keep searching for spelling mistakes on the forum, would you please check the grammar too?
And I can and will insult whoever insults me such as your sorry pathetic a$$ no matter how long have you been on the forum. Being a vet, doesn't mean that *YOU* can go insulting anyone you want. And this forum is for people to say they opinion whatever it is so I said mine.

Fact: not test driving the car doesn'tnegate the reality that it is a trashy cheaply engineered car.

Jr.Mechanic... maybe you're reading the wrong page.


Really... Nobody actually started insulting you, you took it as an insult. You have to look at this from our shoes: A guy, who is a first time poster, complains that his 5,000 lb sedan is slow, but he didnt test drive it before he bought it, and it has all these problems, and yet you imply how hard you have been driving it... Nobody meant to start anything woozie, *most* of the people on this forum are very polite, but most of them also use crude humor that most noobs like yourself dont pick up on, or take offence to. If you want to stick around, cool, but let the **** go... If not, then go ahead and leave, sell your dodge, whatever, but just let it go :)

I've only been a member one day, but thought this forum was pretty slow and boring. Glad I found this thread! Finally some excitement. Sorry to hear you got confused and bought a 4 door sedan as a muscle car, you my friend got TOOK! I got me a Ram 1500 gas guzzling bad ass American monster. You know, the kind that makes Al Gore cry himself to sleep. I love it. I actually had a Charger as a rent a car a couple of weeks ago and thought it was probably the coolest sedan I have ever drove. Never felt like drag racing though so I can neither confirm nor deny your claims. I would suggest you take the hit and get rid of it.

jr mechanic... for the love of God man... I'm not complaining to anybody, I'm just giving a damn complete picture about the car whatsoever. And again, it's not up to you or to anybody to tell someone to leave. If the moderators find my thread bad or insulting, they'll simply close it or even ban me without telling "if you don't stop you have to leave" so drop it off and leave me alone and find something useful to do.

LoneStar... welcome brother, I'm happy I'm seeing more sane people on the forum. I'm glad you're happy about your Ram, heard it's really a bad baby. About the charger... if it's not supposed to be a muscle car then why did they install a Hemi 5.7 on it? And why did they make it with an empty cheap cabin without any gadgets or options or even proper room if it's a sedan? And 340 horse power!!! 0-100 in 5.7 secs!!! Andfrom the old days, charger has always been a muscle car. i mean,it's as if dodgeare tryingto give a muscled picture for the car whichis not true. You know what I mean... the car actually accelerates fine in the first 3 gears (that is when the kick down works correctly) then it starts loosing power and acceleration. I first discovered this while I got challenged on the road by a Mercedes (also a sedan, not slk or clk), I actually was going head to head with him till we I reach the 4th gear, and by the time I got to the 5th and reached 200 km/h he had already passed me like a rocket. Of course the stupid speed limit at 200 km/h cut the fuel and forced a deceleration (I wonder whose stupid idea it was to put a speed limiter at 200!!!!!!!! and btw the dealer mentioned it's at 250). And for the weight thing (that it weighs a ton and sh!t) okay, so why isn't it stable at cornering? If the road gets a little curvy and I don't slow down to 80 the wheels scream as if there was no traction at all (it's supposed to have an ESP). I concluded from this that dodge programmed the car to burnout on the lower gears while sacrificing the performance of higher ones, so mostly it's a miss-engineered gear issue. But can you tell me how is someone supposed to know if it's a muscle car or not (seriously) if the advertised by the dealer is crap like: Engine: HEMI 5.7 V8 / Power: 340 HP / Torque: 528 / Fuel Econ. 11.2 l/100km (which is a freaking joke) /0-100: 5.7 / Top Speed: 250 km/h electronically limited (yeah right)... these were exactly the ads and details of the car at the dealer site, the dodge sit and everywhere I could look at. now if you compare this to a Mustang...: Engine: NOT HEMI4.6 V8 / Power: 300 HP / Torque:433 / Fuel Econ. 11.4 l/100km/0-100: 5.5 / Top Speed: 229 km/h... you tell me brother, what can you learn from these info. if we speak again about the weight (and the mustang is not a light car either), well, it says on the charts that there's only a difference 0.2 seconds difference in the 0-100 (which is the biggest lie) so how on earth would you figure out that the charger isn't a muscle car. got my point... if there's a way to know this except for these info please tell me so that I wouldn't fall for the same sh!t again. And about getting rid of it, it's not that simple (oh god I wish it was simple), this car's resale value is pathetic (bought it 2 months ago with $39,509 and now it's worth $27,247) and it would be better to keep it as a "Décor" in front of your house than selling it.


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"claim their land and *PETROL* as ours (your nick name says it all)."

Oh, "Woozie", give it a rest.You don't haveeven the most vague notion of what my "nick name" refers to and your egotistical, disjointed,whining rambling is really wearing on everyone's nerves. Sell your damn car,learn a few more languages, and go try to impress people on some other site.[:'(]

*Indian*refining-

wow, you've learned some vocab, that's impressive, good boy. now go fetch the stick.

and BTW *you* arenot *everybody* you *egotistical* man!ac, so speak for your sorry a$$ self.

Actually, I feel bad for woozie. Anybody that hears about the "charger" automatically thinks of a muscle car roaring from the past to collect souls lmao. The way he is describing the car's performance, I'm feeling sick for him. And please guys, don't try to write the charger off as a family car, that car is designed to haul ass and eat mustangs, it's called a CHARGER. Anyways, woozie, I think you just need to cool out man, and appreciate what you have. That is a sweet car. I think your just kind of having second thoughts, it happens. When you start getting the exhaust on her with the headers, and the intake, you'll start to fall in love with that car all over again. As soon as she gets a mean growl from the exhaust, you'll be excited to hop into that sweet muscle car. There is a reason you bought it, because you liked what the car says, and that's just raw muscle. I hear what your saying, but I think it's in your head. That car is sweet man, don't loose the faith about it, you got to work with it. I saw a charger go by the other day and it sounded so god damn good, and it was just hauling ass. They are a sweet car, and yours looks mint man, enjoy that beast.

01DodgeRam360-

thank you so much for your post. and most of all thank you for your concern and appreciation, i'm glad someone is actually thinking the same way i am, which is that the charger is supposed to be a muscle car. and actually installing any other upgrades right now is not a good idea since it is limited to the stup!d 200 km/h and to get over this i need a supership which of coures will void my warranty. so i guess i'm stuck to this embarrassing performance for a while. meanwhile, i'll try picking up smaller opponents, toyota yaris, honda city, you know. :D

I kinda feel for ya' too, a bit woozie. I've always looked at the new Chargers as Chrysler trying to marry a muscle car with a 4 door sedan to pick up sales on both ends. The ads are a good bit misleading, but then again, what advertisements aren't?
IMO it's ballsy for a family sedan, but lacks the refinements and comforts of one, it's big and roomy for a muscle car, but the size and weight doesn't let it compete with true muscle cars.
But, you could also have done some homework, especially before slapping down so much hard earned money on a vehicle you couldn't see or drive before hand. Just the fact that it's got a Hemi, does not place it into "muscle car" status, the Hemi is a solid performer and sells vehicles by name alone. Hell, Chrysler is putting it in just about every vehicle they make that it'll fit into. Even though they are all available with the 5.7 Hemi, I wouldn't classify the Durango, RAM, Grand Cherokee, Magnum, Aspen,or even the 300as muscle cars, would you?
All vehicles have good points and bad, you weigh them out and purchase the one with as many good qualities you like, while having the least poor ones or at least poor features that you can or are willing to fix or change. Thankfully, the Hemi has gobs of untouched power just wanting to be let out. I've got mine up about 75HP over stock and have not replaced the cam yet, meaning there is easily 100 extra ponies available while keeping it naturally aspirated and not even talking about doing any expensive headwork. You start talking blowers and heads and you are REALLY talking about a performer now!
You just need to sit back and relax so you can make good, solid decisions. Is this really not the car you thought you were getting? Can it be made into the car of your dreams? If not, and you will NEVER like it, then you may need to cut your losses and get rid of it. If so, then you need to research what you'll get out of what mods you could do, and how much you might be willing to spend. 01Dodge360 is right, you drop an air intake and exhaust in that car and you may start looking at it in another light.
I know if you have a proper outlook, there are many here who know the Hemi's inside and out who would be more than willing to help steer you the right way.

HammerZ71

let me start by saying that again i'm happy to see more objective and decent people post on this thread. and then, you and *01Dodge360* are really starting to give me hopes that it's not too late to save the day. unfortunately car customization here is not that common and you cannot trust even the dealer with something like that. you know, as i'm working in investment, i think that if an ace mechanic as such as the ones you're talking about, opens a workshop here, it can make a fortune. as i'm telling you, people aren't even trusting the dealers since they're all full of cr@p (even the BMW & Mercedes). and people here are more than willing to spend the money for that extra power.

but back to the subject at hand, as i mentioned before, the car is limited to 200 km/h whatsoever the upgrade you're having, unless you install a superchip which voids warranty. so it's again a matter of 3 years so that i might think of doing any serious upgrades. also, the upgrades, since they're limited to specific workshops, are expensive like crazy, the Mopar headers and cat backs cost around $3,500 without installation (i think that's very exaggerated, or isn't it?) like the Kenwood Nav.sys. that the stupid salesman installed for me which cost $2,600 and i wouldn't have installed it if he told me that they do have the performance upgrades.

and whether or not i'm able to accept the car, first, do i have a choice? can't loose so much in just a short period (3 months-$12,000) but to tell you the truth, i always liked to have a charger and especially the charger not the c300 or even the mustang. i liked the tough looks and (as advertised which is not true) the performance scales. but i was a shocked by the performance which wasn't even close to what was said (as you can see in the attachments in my reply to *01Dodge360*). so it's kinda frustrating. i've really fallen for what you said "Hemi is a solid performer and sells vehicles by name alone"... should've test drove, okay well, i admit i should've, but that doesn't change the fact that Dodge was lying and over-flattering the charger. and you've got to my same point of view, that if it was meant to be a mere sedan, then it's missing lots of the sedan features. i was considering my 2007 Camry a sedan and a family car, and we can say the Honda Accord is a family sedan, but we can't say that the charger is or will ever be considered a family sedan.

again, i thank you for your post and discussion, it was really my pleasure to have talked with people such as yourself and *01Dodge360* , *LoneStar*, "Greg_Glider" and for anyone who respects the other opinion whatsoever.

ORIGINAL: woozie

but back to the subject at hand, as i mentioned before, the car is limited to 200 km/h whatsoever the upgrade you're having, unless you install a superchip which voids warranty. so it's again a matter of 3 years so that i might think of doing any serious upgrades.


I won't pretend to know how the laws are over there, but here they cannot void your warranty claim because of a modification unless they can prove the mod caused the failure. It is basically covered by the Magnuson/Moss Act. You can do a Google search for it and read it.

Also here is a link to the Superchips website FAQ page, which specifically states that the installation of an SC tune DOES NOT void your warranty.

http://www.superchips.com/customer_support.php?customer_support_category_key =9

Also, their Cortex product specifically comes witha 2 year Powertrain Warranty on your vehicle at no extra charge. Which, among it's many fine features, will eliminate your speed limiter and allow you to adjust your rpm limiter.

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The one thing i am wondering is how would the dealership (or stealership as I like to call them!) know that you installed a superchips, and increased the top speed limiter? If you can still get the superchips, and the dealership doesn't know, than i would go for it. If you have to take your car for service or warranty, then just return your charger back to stock and the stealership will never know. Please correct me if I am incorrect here! I wouldn't care too much for them, they are all just a bunch of tools and idiots anyways. Most salesman are!

And it was also my pleasure to discuss this with you too!!!

HammerZ71


thanks again for your helpful post. i heard before about the Cortex (among many others such Diablo), and i read their articles about the warranty. that's very comforting to you guys living in the US since you have the ability to actually claim them for any of the damages (even if it's a warranty void) but for me to do this, i have to ship the car to them in case anything comes up, they won't cover an international incident right? and also there's the point that usage of such gadgets IS prohibited and so the customs Will confiscate before i can ever get hold of it (same goes for radar detectors). and as for the laws, actually the article you mentioned is a US federal law so it does not apply here, if i'm getting it right. and this kind of stuff actually sucks here i.e. i bought a couple of computer items from Amazon.com (processors, mobos,...etc) and when i received them by mail they were in a bad condition, as if they were repacked or something. so i contacted the customer support, who replied directly on the next day, and informed them about this issue. and at once they gave me options to fully refund or discount or replace, and when i chose replace, they sent me new parts on the next day. this all happened without them even giving the slightest inclination that i might be lying, and they didn't tell me you have to send the parts first and then we'll send the new ones to you. and to tell you the truth i was so damn impressed. but coming to the point of this example, is that if i purchased these items from here and the same situation happened, the dealer here would've done the total opposite and they would've told me that it was somehow my fault, and wouldn't have even cared to inspect the items to see if my claims are justified. now in an item as big as a car, multiply the severity and headache x10. so the bottom line is you can't risk it. of course this IS NOT Dodge's fault, it's a governing laws issue, but i'm angry with Dodge for putting me under the circumstance that i need such things to improve my vehicle performance. the thing is...



as Greg-Glider mentioned (yo bro, how's it goin) is it actually traceable that you installed a superchip on your vehicle? i heard that the car computer has a log that register each and every detailed change that happened on the car, is this true? if it's just a story to cool down enthusiasts fire then "Halleluiah", if not then, as i mentioned above, i might be putting myself in lots of risks. and Greg-Glider... you're right, the Stealership's so called "ENGINEERS" are just a bunch of fancy pants fools who act like they know everything but in fact they know sh!t. this goes with all dealers, i mean stealers for all brands. once when i was fixing my Beemer and buying some parts from a third party retailer, i saw a guy from the dealer's workshop actually buying parts from there too :D. it was then that i realized that it's actually pointless to waste any extra money to fix something at the dealers workshop (of course when you're out of the warranty period).

Question, are the prices of the parts i mentioned (Mopar headers, cat-backs) that high in the US or it's way lower than what i mentioned? i wouldn't be able to get them from the US anyways since they'll cost more for shipping but it's just out of curiosity.

I'll agree on the "not being able to test drive, being a bad thing." When I bought my truck, I test drove 3 different trucks on the lot. 1 did not handle the way the others did. WHy? I don't know, but if I cam going to spend that amount of money, I want to test it first. Maybe the dealer knew about the problems and this was the reason why you weren;t allowed to test drive. If you can't test it, go somewhere else.

When I bought my SRT-4 I wasn't allowed to test drive it due to "insurance reasons".....I found out later (on this forum, I might add) that this was a common policy among Dodge dealers with this car due to several customers and sales personnel being injured in accidents while test driving the pocket rocket and not being used to the torque steering problem under full acceleration.

Dusty

I bought the charger because it cover three bases.
1. as a sports car, It's faster than a V6, has tons of power to push a very heavy car. Will it win drag races at the strip? no. will it bust most vehicles a$$es at a red light when you want to get infront of them? YES
2. Family vehicle, It has 4 doors for either kids or for guests to ride with you not to mention a lot more room that a 2dr car.
3. Luxury, I bought a car that has heated leather seats, a sun roof, a Navigation system and a DVD player that folds up out of the arm rest so someone in the backseat can watch a movie.

This is my wife's car btw, and it's the first one she has driven that after 6 months of having it, she still LOVES to drive it. We drove Jeeps, Impalla SS, Mustangs, Jaguars, Nitros, Tiburons, Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstices etc, when looking for a car for her. Each of those she liked but after driving it a second or third time (or even just seeing it on the road next to us) she found something she didn't like about it. She still likes the Charger after 9 months. My advice before you buy another car, go rent it for the weekend and do what ever you want to it. If you hate to give it back on monday then there is your answer.

L and R Two-

welcome to the thread... i'm with you bro, i made a mistake by not testing, but is that an excuse for the bad performance? i mean if i test drove, i would've found out, and if i ran through this forum, i would've posted the same opinion. and to be honest the dealer actually didn't have a test drive since they *SOLDFOR A CHEAPER VALUE* which i call GREED which isn't supposed to be the case with a dealer like Dodge.

dustyloins-

man, :Di laughed my a$$ man, that was catastrophic and hillarious at the same time. nice one.

Scott06HEMI-

welcome to the thread... what you mentioned is exactly what the charger is all about. a familly car. so what i'm saying is they shouldn't have: 1st: use the charger name which is historically linked to muscle cars - 2nd: made the specs look like it's a muscle car - 3rd: added more luxury gadgets, more dash glove compartment space, more door compartment slots space...etc
and anyways, i would look at the chrysler as the luxury family car not the charger, you know what i mean. and the rental is actually a very good idea, i've learned some really good stuff fromthis experience.

I mentioned 3 things that the charger is all about...family, luxury and sports car and I disagree with you. I feel that it accomplishes all 3 of those. It's a VERY heavy car so I don't expect it to tear a$$ up on the drag strip. However it's still a 14 second car stock. it can run in the 13s with about $1000 - $1500 worth of mods which is not a lot when it comes to beefing up cars. It's got the charger name because they made it look similar to the older charger. I have to say an even worse remake was the Chevy montecarlo...I mean come on, an SS that only came in a 6 cylinder?!?(i think it now comes in a v8) same thing with the Impalla SS (only a v6 for the first few years it was re-produced). I believe the charger IS a sports car. it's just not as fast as others but it makes up for it if you want a fast car that is loaded with 4 doors for a decent price. I also feel that it handles well on curves getting on and off the interstate...I'm not running the slalom but it still handles well.

Scott06HEMI-

if you scrolled back to the old posts, you'll find performance charts for both the Ford Mustang and the Dodge charger, and you'll see that in each and every way, the Charger is SUPPOSED to be kicking the Mustang's a$$, except for the weight, but if you look at both weights, you'll find only a minor difference between them and yet the Mustang in reality is actually the one who's kicking a$$. the 4 doors or 2 doors, from my point of view, are not relevant causes for the charger's sloth. what you say can be true if i'm comparing the charger to a Z4 Beemer or an Audi TT, which both are a hell lot lighter than a charger.
and from what you say about the Chevys, i think it's a global current to make cars look better on the account of performance. i mean even the Lumina & Camaro,they look better but perform less than they were. i just wanna add that i think it was plain stupid of Chevrolet to shift to Australia or Korea (no offence to both), a big waste of a damn good brand. hell, i was upset when i learned that Camry was made in Australia, let alone the Chevy. and for the upgrades you're mentioning, well, you're speaking as if the mustangs will hold still while watching the chargers getting upgraded... man, what goes here goes there, so the base model is what makes the difference. and yet again, the $1500 you've mentioned is a very humble amount which i doubt can do much. i'm thinking of not less than $3000 will be a good start to stir things up for the charger.

Man I know you are disappointed in your purchase and maybe you just got a lemon when it comes to power. It happens, I test drove a chrysler sebring a few years ago and it had a V6. that was one of the slowest cars I've ever driven with a V6. Decided to look at another dealership and got talked into driving another one. It was almost the exact same car, same model same engine, trim, etc. It blew the doors off the other one yet they were the same year and have the same size engine in it. We ever went as far as test driving the faster one to the other dealership and while my wife was driving the faster one, I took the slower one on another test drive. We started at the same red light and punched it. The one I was driving lost by truck lenghts...and not just a nissan king cab length...I'm talking the dodge QC with an 8' bed kind of length. All kidding aside I'd say my wife put 10 car lengths on me in a 1/4 mile. deserted back highway where my brother was the law so it was a valid test. Sure the salesmen bitched at first and then when they saw the difference they both stepped back. 2 brand new, identically built cars and there was that much of a difference. We ended up buying the faster one of course. Maybe you just have a really slow turd on your hands. I'm not trying to shoot down your complaint, I'm sure it's legitament, but it might not be ALL chargers in general.

I think for $1500 you could get CAI, gears, programmer/chip and headers(the charger already has a decent exhaust set up if you cut the suitcase muffler off and leave the resonators). If you DIY, I bet it would add a lot of power and cut a lot off the 1/4 mile time.
I removed the cats on my 98 trans am and just doing that took 3/10s of a second off my 1/4 mile time. Thats a LOT for just taking something off. I ended up dropping an entire second off my 1/4 mile time for less than $1500. intake-300, gears-500, exhaust-300, programmer-350 to go from 13.9 down to 12.9. I know it's a completely different car but it could happen.

woozie, it sounds like you would have been happier with the srt8 or the r/t with road and track. 1) No test drive would be a little crazy but when i go to get mine, i'll try the daytona and say hey i'm about to spend 40k and i want to see how it handles. 2)Charger is a 4 door while the stang is a two door, the only car i can see the charger really being compared to is the impala. 3) They used the charger name to get some extra sales. And last but not least just put some time into it and you willenjoy it. When i purchase mine in the future, i'm just gonna use it for a daily driver. I just want what scottdid in his first post, get by other cars at lights. I hate when i'm in a hurry and can't get by some car in my neon. So woozie just put a little time and money into it and you will enjoy it. I hope you don't take offence to anything i said.

Sorry for the change to lbs and miles but I don't use kgs or kms
If you look at the charts your talking about, all they are really saying is the charger has 40 more hp and 3996lbs(charger) - 3575lbs(mustang) = 421lb difference in favor of the mustang. Now I have always been told around drag tracks and mechanic shops, that for every 100lbs you remove from a 13 to 15 second car, your 1/4 mile time drops .1 (1/10th of a second). Doing the math shows that all things being equal(gearing, wind resistence, temperature, etc), the mustang is 400 lbs lighter and the charger is 40hp stronger. I don't think 40 extra hp is enough to make up for the .4 second difference in the quarter mile. .4 seconds at 100mph is a LONG time and a BIG difference in car lengths. Soooo those charts you are talking about actually show that the mustang should be slightly faster than the R/T charger. Can anyone jump in here and tell me if my numbers and guesstamations are correct or not?

i was told that too with the wieght reduction and i agree with the logic, scott by the way is you wife the reg r/t of the r/t with road and track. I want the r/t with r.t because the better handling over the reg one. Also woozie you over payed big time i think. My r/t with the r/t package msrps for 36,090

Scott06HEMI- 1st post- about the probability that it might be a problem with my car alone, try telling that to a the dealer AFTER you bought the car...;)yet again, it's a global thing, and you are absolutely right about the lemon :Dbut anyways the parts you mentioned cost away more if i bought them from here and would cost a fortune if i shipped them from the US unless there's a way of shipping heavy stuff at a low cost :eek:.

djmagic- 1st post- welcome to the thread. i only take offense when someone uses insults such as not test driving is idiotic... not sleeping with your girl before marrying her is stupid:D...stuff like that... i know you said crazy but it's clear you meant no harm, you're discussing the topic objectively and giving opinion, not just popping to lay some insults and go... anyways, the dealer doesn'tget srt8 and even doesn'tget any Vipers (which i would have gotten if available)... comparing the charger to an impala is totally unrealistic (that is ifthechargerwas the actualcharger) 2 doors or 4 doors doesn't really matter, it's actually the weight that does. and using the charger name was a shame on the Dodge and that is why i opened this thread. you know if the case was that i've got a c300 i wouldn't be that upset, since it is supposed to be a luxury sedan, not a muscle (or sports) car. and putting some money into it , well, it's pointless as i said in earlier posts.

Scott06HEMI- 2nd Post- i don't know much about the facts you've mentioned and although it sounds logical and is matching with the difference in timing mentioned in the charts (which makes things look more like calculated than tested) but still i wish it was only that slight difference. i've ridden the Mustang with one of my friends (after he beat the Sh!t of my my charger in a drag) you know the feeling when the car is accelerating more than your head can go so your head sticks to the back of the chair? that's what i actually experienced in the mustang (stock) but in my charger it's not even close to that. and at first when i bought it, i did a burn-out or two in red lights, now for some reason it's not doing anymore (this was just yesterday, that's why i'm only posting it now).

djmagic- 2nd post- prices here are much higher than the US so that's why i wouldn't even think of buying upgrades form here. and i wouldn't recommend you buy the charger, beleive me you'll regret it. if you want a car for every day use, just buy the c300, it looks like a VIP ride. or if you're thinking about something with power, just go for the mustang. that's my advice to you, but it's your call.

Wow!!
I just finished reading this thread and I was LMAO!

Wussie, opps I mean Weezee, wooly, woopie, whatever,
I have to thank you for entertaining me.
Also, buyer beware! You purchased a vehicle with no test drive, based on specs. I might do that with a computer, butnever a car.
My 2007Magnum has a 3.5L, 5speed Autoshiftand it is a big, brawny rocket. Did I mention it was stock?
Your dis-satisfaction with the performance of you car and the rusty shock nuts and door hinges (mine has that too) is sadly the difference between Belgium and Canada / America.
I treated my hinges with WD40 and brush painted the rusty nuts (lol) with Rustolium.

Good Luck,
Fryboy

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djmagic- see what i mean, that punk-a$$ *frynoydon* is just drooping by to lay his eggs (insults) and show off his beautiful pu$$y in front of everybody. he's not discussing or adding anything, just enjoying being rude.

fryboydon- get a life.

woozie i'm gonna stick with the charger and like i said, mine is coming stock with a performance package upgrade. The thing is you have 5 levels of chargers. The bottom is the se(2.7), 2nd is the sxt(3.5), 3rd is yours, the 5.7 240 horse, forth is the daytona(350 plus better handling) and top is the srt8. Basically i'm getting a daytona minus the decals. I love the looks of them and plus its a upgrade from a 4 banger. The 300c costs a whole lot more for a hemi and everything i want. about an extra 10k. Being a college student busting his butt the charger is more affordable. Also i was saying the current charger is kinda on the impala level. I'm pretty sure the ss is a v8.

djmagic- well, good luck brother, i hope you enjoy it, and BTW mine is 340 not 240. just a thought: if you're planning to get a daytona why don't you get the same like mine (it's the same engine i think) and spend the extra money on custom upgrades, i think it'll be cheaper (upgrades from the dealer are way more expensive, if i'm not mistaken)

Horsepower numbers don't mean as much as power to weight ratio. Also Torque numbers mean more when getting it going than horsepower, that might be where the mustang feels faster, better low end power. I had a 2003 ram with a hemi in it and was not impressed, the motor liked to be reved to high to get the power I wanted, so I traded it. Also with the speed limiter it is set on what speed rating the tires have so someone doesn't buy one push it as fast as it will go, blow a tire, total the car, then sue the snot out of maker for damages.

(Your dis-satisfaction with the performance of you car and the rusty shock nuts and door hinges (mine has that too) is sadly the difference between Belgium and Canada / America.
I treated my hinges with WD40 and brush painted the rusty nuts (lol) with Rustolium.)

oozie,
I did "discuss and add". Your so ate up with covering up your automotive faux pas, you failed to acknowledge it.
As was the case early on, you came into this site with guns a blazzin!
Grow up.
And yes, it is a beautiful puss!

XXOOO,
*frynoydon*

thats what i meant. The rt with road and track is a package that comes from the factory. Main thing is added performance, stock 20's, extra body pieces, no extra charge and all. Basically is an upgrade of yours which puts it in the daytona class. I think i'm paying an extra 5k for the one i want over the very base r/t, and 600 less than the same daytona. But with the daytona i would have to take off those ugly decals and it only comes in orange

fryboydon- you discussed sh!t, it was just another part of your showing-off. and the rust thing, that's absolutely plain stup!d to just accept such a deffect and try to cover it up. and it's not me who needs to grow up, it's disgusting people like you who needs to just f*ckin die. and my guns get blazin when someone starts insulting (even if it wasout ofjoking) such as your pathetic self. can't your type of low life loosers joke without insulting someone?

blownsoot- welcome to the thread. these are very interesting info you mentioned, would you please give me a clearer understanding about the ratios and numbers and how to interpret them. i really would appreciate that. and about totaling the car also, it wasn't very clear, but it seemed like a very INTERESTING idea :D,so would youplease repostthe details again or send them by email?

djmagic- what i meant is you should get the upgrades from OUTSIDE the factory. i think it'll cost a lot less.

If the tires are only rated to 200km/h but the car can do 275 when it comes out of the factory then if you were to push it to that point and wreck due to a tire failure the maker of the car maker would be liable so they limit the cars to just under what the factory tires are rated for. As far as power to rate ratio it is the weight of the vehicle divided by the horespower of the engine, the higher the number the more powerful it will feel.As far as the low end power I mean torque, I believe in the metric it is kwh power. The more of it the faster the car will be off the line, the lower the rpms are that it peaks the faster it will be off the line. As you can seeby my sig my truck is big and heavy but will still beat most sports cars, 400 horse and 800 ft lbs of torque at very low rpms, my last truck was pretty close in size but with the hemi, its peak torque was at 4500 rpms with the cummins it is at 1600rpms, it might have 15 less horsepower and 1500 more lbs in weight but it is a faster truck.

blownsoot- that's some useful info. i'd surely take into consideration while buying my new car (most probably not a dodge). but about the tyres, what if i change the stock tyres? i'm speaking Pirelli Pzero or Pnero 20") so then i can change my max speed accordingly without voiding my warranty? and about the weight to power ratio, is this scientifically proven or it's just a common estimate? and btw, thanks a bunch, you're really adding a lot to my data bank.:D

As far as cars go it is pretty well a fact, the higher the horsepower to pound the faster the car even if it has less total horspower, lets say you have a 3,000 pound car with 300 horsepower, that is.1 horse per pound, now lets say you have a 6000 pound care with 300 horse that is .05 horse per pound, which will be faster, they both have the same power. My equation was wrong earilier it is horsepower divided by weight.

I don't know about the waranty, seems like your laws don't protect the buyer as much as here.

thanks man... that really shed some light.

Not to pile on here please take this as a constructive addition to this discussion, but I think most people were greatly disappointed when they learned early on before release that the Charger was to be a 4 door. This was rather widely spoken of in most auto magazines as well as online well before and after it was released. Eventually the auto magazines like they always do found a way to make it sound like you really wanted a four door muscle car. Perhaps if you read some of these articles you were a bit mislead...

This would have been my first tip off before buying that this car might be a compromise in designs--something of a hybrid between American Muscle and a grocery getter. (IMHO a poor decision by Daimler Chrysler)

The second item I think most obviously gives away that this vehicle isn't truly a great example of American Muscle is the fact that IT HAS the so called Hemi 5.7 engine. Reason: This is Ma Mopar's latest do-all engine. This engine is also widely known to be one of the lowest cost engines Chrysler Corp. has ever made with eight cylinders. Since American's like power, and 8 cylinders, it makes great business sense to toss this powerplant into everything it might fit in. So they do. In the times we live in with smog regs etc. this engine is a rare thing to come along, I totally salute DCX for this but it's not worthy of the prestige attached to the history of winning races and legendary street fights that the 426 Hemi EARNED.

The current 5.7 Hemi would have been rather more appropriately named IMHO the 340 A engine small block if it was to be equated to an historical Mopar engine, eventhough the displacement is different.

I think a number of people are mislead by the Hemi advertisements, not just people overseas without appropriate access to information about these vehicles. I can imagine how you might have felt mislead.

--Minnesota Mopar

minnesotamopar (http://www.dodgeforum.com/showProfile.asp?memid=73309)- welcome to the thread... and then let me express my happiness that finally someone is backing my opinion up. although your contribution is 100% more professional, more organised and objective focused than mine. andi do admit that we have a lack of information regarding the motor world. unprofessional magazines, deceitfull deals,...etc you name it. but that my friend does not spare Dodge & Chrysler from the fact that they were as much deceitfull as anybody can ever be. thank you again for yourpost.

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woozie, sorry to hear about your misfortune with your charger. even though the hemi puts out 345 at the crank, dodge loses about 50 to 60 horsepower through the drive train, putting the rear wheel power to only abot 265-270 which is not bad for a family sedan. i am on my 2nd dodge and have a great time with it. both were trucks. now i have a 4.7 dakota that has the same rear wheel power as a stock charger, because of my upgrades. nitrous was a big help in that dept. if you have so many problems with the charger take it back. i did not read all the threads people wrote, got tired of everyones poor attitude. if the car is still warrentied have dodge keep doing the upgrades until you are satisfied, if not go complain to the d.m.v. thats what we pay taxes for and tell them the dealership is not doing their job or giving you the run around

superdak05-again i'm happy to see more decent people come to the thread and actually giving honest and practical opinion. i heard about the transmission fact but i was wondering if it was true... since BMW is a RWD and is giving optimum performance. and if it was true... is there a way to fix this? like changing the gearbox, installing manual transmission (if that's even possible, it's just a thought). unfortunately, i'm living in the united arab emirates (gulf), so consumer rights are not pretty much preserved. i really envy you guys, you have lots of protective laws for the consumer, i always tell thisto my friends from the US. although they're enjoying their stay here but it is clear that this is something that both they and we are missing here. i'm about to try complaining to the service center anyways, and hopefully they'll do something.

WOW Comparing a light weight sports car (coupe), to a large, heavy family sedan is completely.... anyway

PLEASE stop comparing the two. You should have bought a sports car if you wanted a... sports car. "Charger" is a name. Do NOT let the name fool you. It's a heavy sedan and it's not suppose to haul ass like a sports car. It whoops up on OTHER SEDANS. Not all of them, but a lot of them. And a lot of other cars too.

It does not matter that the Charger R/T has 340 hp, it's weight is gonna stop it from taking lighter cars. It's about power to weight. It seems like you saw the name "Charger" and thought of some performance sports car that was gonna kick ass. Maybe you should have seen it like many others do and like the pros do, as a sedan that has supising kick to it for being so heavy.

The Charger is a nicely rated FAMILY SEDAN and gets great reviews from all over for what it is meant to do. Those comparing it to Mustang GTs will ofcourse be disappointed.

If you actually look at all the numbers. NOTHING is a suprise.

The Mustang GT is SUPPOSE to take the Charger R/T.

Charger:. 4,100 lbs, 340 hp, .08292 HP/LBS, 12.0588 LBS per HP
Mustang: 3,500 lbs, 300 hp, .08571 HP/LBS, 11.6666 LBS per HP


You might say, that's not much difference, but it is. In the world of autos, slight numbers make big differences. Learn to tune cars and you'll find that out.

Look on the net for 1/4 mile times and you'll see that the Mustang GT edges out the Charger R/T by an averge of just .3 to .6 seconds and I imagine a lot of those GTs are manuals. GT runs a high 13 and the Charger runs a low-mid 14.

Again, none of this is suprising if you know cars and how they work. Ofcourse, aerodynamics, gear ratios, ride height, suspension etc all come into affect. Those make little differences. But remember that a sport coupe is geared much better for racing than a family sedan with a big V8. And the sports coupe vs family sedan thing comes into play with most of the categories. Even wheel size and weight comes into play.

Oh and one last thing. If you expected a 5.7L 340 HP HEMI in a heavy family sedan, to have similar gas milage to a 4.6L 300 HP Ford engine in a lighter coupe... then I dunno man... I just dunno.... Where is Derrick when you need him?


You might have other problems with your Charger, but I am addressing the performance between the GT and R/T, as well as gas milage. That's it.

If I may adress the subject of your Egyptian culture, it seems to me that you would know that the Pharoas were mostly inbred. Maybe you should consider that before saying that we are all screwing our sisters. I`m kind of surprised that no one else pointed that out. Maybe you don`t know as much about your own history as you think. And I hate to break it to you, but a horse is much more noble of an animal than a camel.

ORIGINAL: 1996Ram318

If I may adress the subject of your Egyptian culture, it seems to me that you would know that the Pharoas were mostly inbred. Maybe you should consider that before saying that we are all screwing our sisters. I`m kind of surprised that no one else pointed that out. Maybe you don`t know as much about your own history as you think. And I hate to break it to you, but a horse is much more noble of an animal than a camel.


Hahaha, good point.

it to me seems as if poor old mister woozie is just that and anyone who dosent feel bad for him is an "a$$hole" and anyone who agrees is a decent person, and trust me this is my honest and practical opinion, and saying dodge is trying to screw you, there is a whole charger section full of people who did the research and knew what they were buying and what to expect that are fairly happy. Ford is doing the same thing by trying to say there pickups are the best, who believes that! they suck but points have to be givin to ford for circleing the problem on every vehical they have made;)

oh yea fyi tires not tyres, french not frensh, defect not deffect,you get the idea

Midnight-

maybe if you have read the thread thoroughly you would have noticed that these same arguments were discussed before, and they do not negate the fact that dodge has misused both the CHARGER and HEMI names for the sake of doing extra sales. and as the analysis you mentioned (which was posted earlier by another user) shows that there's only a slight difference which does not justify the ****ty lame performance the charger is doing. and the gas mileage, whoever fooled you to think that i'm comparing a 5.7 to a 4.6 is an a$$. i'm speaking about the ACTUAL fuel consumption compared to the ADVERTISED.

1996Ram318-

actually if you even studied anything - let alone cultures or civilizations - you might as well have noticed that this was the case of all elder civilizations until the religions and prophets were sent. but what i meant that people such as your sc#mbag self are STILL doing it even AFTER JESUS CHRIST. you CURRENTLY have one of theHIGHEST incest & homo rates in the whole UNIVERSE. so just STFU and get your D!CK in your SORRY SISTER'S A$$ BEFORE HER BOYFRIEND DOES IT "TO KNOW IF SHE'S GOOD IN BED OR NOT". and about the horses, removing the MUCH MORE part, you're absolutely right, that's why the BEST horses are the Arabian ones and the MUSTANGS which are INDIAN horses (but of course you ripped that and claimed them to be American ones since they were there when you INVADED the continents)

lghtngblt02- no comment...

occ3377-

it's not about people agreeing with me or not it's about people being objective and polite, and if you would've read the thread you would have seen people disagreeing but it seems they had parents that raised them well (unlike you who might be not even knowing who your REAL parents are) and the people that are happy with their charger, well that's their opinion and that is mine, so STFU and go get a life, or continue checking for spelling and grammar mistakes for the rest of the forum (what are you a fresh high school graduate or something?) trying to criticize someone by picking on his typing mistakes is sooooooooooooo Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmme DUUUUUDE.

BTW check Pirelli's web site and see how TYRES is written and check the dictionary for TIRES.

woozie where are you from? youshow pics from Dubai, say your from Egypt, and have a Queens NY zip code in your profile. If you don't know where you are, are you even sure of the car you have?

"Tyres" is the British spelling of "tires" as we know it. The Brits had a big impact in that area for decades. But he is pushing it with his bashing of the US. As for Ford trucks, my new baby went thru dust storms in west Texas, forest fires in New Mexico, and 60 mph headwinds in Colorado getting to my current address and it never missed a beat. Ford doesn't have to try to say their PU's are the best, for most of the past three decades, the best selling vehicle in the USA has been a Ford truck.

If there had been a Dodge Dealership near where I've moved to, I would have seriouslyconsidered a Dodge.

I also got a major discount (Z-Plan)in addition to the factory rebates since my stepdad was a regional manager for Ford for 45 years. I walked out with a new F150 STX 4X4 for about $1,000 more than I paid for my SRT-4 (my baby!!!!!!!!). Understand that the past few months represent a major change in my lifestyle.......I have been, and still am, a 100% Dodge fan. However, when itcomes down to brass tacks, you do what you have to do. As they say, "walk a mile in my shoes".

Don't be surprised if you see a post from me in the next year or two sayingI bought aDodge gas sipper!!!! And now I canroot forboth Dodge andFord in NASCAR races.......screw Toyota.



Dusty

tresvn-

let me interpret so that you poor simple minded THING would understand. i'm an Egyptian, living & working in the UAE, have lived in the US for 3 or 4 months and i have a shipping address in QUEENS. and nice comment about the car, i actually would've considered it funny if it wasn't coming from a thing like you.

dusty-

don't get me wrong, i love the US and as i said i've lived there for a couple of months and people were ssssssssssssooooooooooo POLITE & FRIENDLY unlike the samples that i'm bashing-BACK at. i have lots of American friends who are resident here in UAE and we went on vacationsto Egypt and they enjoyed their stay a lot. but you have to understand that there are sc#mbags in each society, and these are the ones i'm insulting.

i don't know much about trucks (or maybe to be honest, i know squat) since i've never got one. anyways, to be fair, Ford has it in terms of power and performance, although Dodge has it in terms of practicality and looks. (and that is of course for sedans, although i think a ford explorer LOOKS & PERFORMS way better than a dodge durango.

woozie, First off the reason your car tops out at 125mph (200km) is because of the govener because of the tire rating. Comparing a Mustang to a charger is like comparing a Honda Ridgliner to a Ram 1500 Hemi just two completly different class of vehicals. I have had a Charger RT 2007 to 120mph before I backed down because of the tires. My Dad just got a Daytona Charger and I pulling hard at 125mph at half throtle (new car less than 70miles on the odomiter so I was carefull not to push it to hard). Sorry to here that you have had some many problems but the only problem i have had that is not due to lack of maintanice it the clear coat is pealing on the roof.

Woozie, where did you learn English so well???

Dusty

I'l be honest you definately purchased the charger under teh wrong impressions. One of my main grypes about the charger is this. one it's a sedan and two it's an auto. There is no way any car guy will consider it a sports car. If you read a review that says it is they don't know what a real sports car is. Any person who knows a thing about vehicles will be able to tell you that. teh body, suspension, engine, transmission, weight all attribute it to a more than average family sedan. yes it can get up adn move at times but never like a mustang or a civic. Unless heavily modified. Yes reviews state that it is but you can't read reviews you have to be a true car person and realize that when you look at the pure statistics for the charger it is not a sports car.

if youhave such money like yousay andneeded a fast car why in the hell did you get a charger r/t. at the least you shoulda went to the srt8 which is mildly better since it has the 6.1L hemi. if I had money like you say i'd be rolling in a new viper, which will stomp a 530 and a charger and a mustang and everything you spoke of.

What it all boils down to bro is that you got boned. You read reviews and other things that you shouldn't have. You obviously don't know much about cars other than how to read the stickers which isn't what you should do. You need to read between the lines and see that obvioulsy a vehicle like the charger isn't a race car. it's too damn heavy and doesn't ahve the driveline to be.

I could take a dumptruck and write race car on it and tell you it is one. would you still buy it then??

I'm not trying to be a jerk infact I'd like it very much if you and me could discusss this like gentleman because I personally think that you are absolutely right. the charger won't perform like a sports car.

I don't know how to explain all the rust and such my guess it has to do with travel time. Obviously a charger isn't built in the middle east or egypt type area of the world. they are built here and in mexico as far as i know. so it probably set at a shipping yard near sea spray for quite a long time before it wasy sent overseas. My dad works for a farming equipment company and they deal with these issues for overseas stuff very often. they make harvesters in the USA and ship some to europe. problem is sometimes they sit at port for three or more months. the elements plus salt spray equals rust.

The rust issue is one of the reasons major O/S car makers started building plants in the USA.

Dusty

ORIGINAL: woozie

Midnight-

maybe if you have read the thread thoroughly you would have noticed that these same arguments were discussed before, and they do not negate the fact that dodge has misused both the CHARGER and HEMI names for the sake of doing extra sales. and as the analysis you mentioned (which was posted earlier by another user) shows that there's only a slight difference which does not justify the ****ty lame performance the charger is doing. and the gas mileage, whoever fooled you to think that i'm comparing a 5.7 to a 4.6 is an a$$. i'm speaking about the ACTUAL fuel consumption compared to the ADVERTISED.
Um, I don't have time to read through 5 pages of bull****, biased hating and people saying the same damn thing to you, beating a horse over and over.

"Charger" is a NAME. Any idiot can check the specs and know that the Charger SEDAN isn't going to be like the monsterous Chargers from before. You are simply naive and show a lack of knowledge about the vehicle industry. Dodge didn't trick you. You didn't fall for anything. You like others can't see past the name and you tricked yourself into thinking the big family sedan you drive would hang with 12 and 13 second cars and that's ridiculous. To other people, none of this is a suprise, but it is to you. How can you not understand that the Charger does run a low-mid 14 1/4 mile and that's awesome for a sedan. But you expect more. Hell, a few mods and you can take those GTs you want to run with so badly. That's a good thing, but you see it differently.

Did Dodge make a mistake naming a sedan "Charger", yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that we all know it's a fat sedan.

No one can seem to get through to you with hard facts or opinions. The Charger family SEDAN performs just how it should. It is not shiitty lame performance. Why don't you pick up an SRT-8. You don't understand that small numbers are BIG when it comes to performance in vehicles. It is NOT a slight difference. The only slight difference is the Mustang GT barely beating the R/T in 1/4 mile and other "race" type categories. AGAIN, the Mustang SHOULD beat the Charger. It's only a suprise to you...

Oh and as I look back in your first post. You mention nearly getting your ass kicked by an 06 Civic. Was that the 113 hp, the 140 hp or the 197 hp model? Bulllllll....... Either you have a lemon or the Civic was modified well, because you should crush the two lower models and easily take the Si. Si runs low 15's, Charger R/T runs low 14's. I mean, really do you realise that SECONDS and slight numbers matter BIG TIME in racing. Let's take the Neon SE/SXT, which runs 16's. Do we expect it to hang with SRT-4's? No? Well the SRT-4 runs low 14's. Wow, 2 seconds is huge, huh.

To me, you seem like a vehicle novice who lacks vehicle knowledge. I really would like some of our most knowledgable car guys to chime in here. Why don't you check out some timeslips here at DF. Maybe this will help you. http://www.dodgeforum.com/timeslips/default.asp?p=2

As for gas milage. Say you were comparing actual to advertised all you want, but you seemed like you were upset you werent getting V6 type gas milage in a big V8 and that's funny. Vehicles never get what they are advertised for. Who actually still believes the stickers anymore?! You should have got a HEMI with MDS. You would have had good gas milage with it. Bad gas milage in a HEMI doesnt suprise most of us.


You DO call and think people are assholes just because they don't agree with you. You also don't realise YOU are the one coming off like you think you are the "smartest guy on earth". You come to a DodgeForum, full of enthusiasts who know their **** and you act like they're all dumb. People will treat you how you treat them. You showed disrespect, they showed it right back. Not the other way around. I'm sorry if I am now the one coming off as an asshole but I've already had a bad day and when I see this type of ignorance, it gets to me.

spencea15- thank you for your post, but if it was only with the governor and that is because of the tyres (or tires), then why disn't they install better tyres and increase the limiter!!! and now i'm even more disappointed...pealing on the roof??!!! oh great just great... what a great FAMILY SEDAN.

dusty- i really don't know why are you guys having this lame idea about Arabs as if we don't have education???!!! if i'm believing the false adds, then you guys are most certainly believing the false media. i speak three languages fluently (Arabic, English &French)and i'm preparing for my CFA and am consideredlazy. some of my colleagues speak 7 languages and have 2 or 3 masters degrees. we have education but also we have illiterate people who only speak the NATIVE language (which is also normal in any society).

Ben D.- i admitted before i'm not a pro when it comes to mechanics, but do you honestly believe that the world is only built of pros only??!!! some people rely on advices and reviews to actually get their stuff. and as i mentioned before, the dealer didn't have anything bigger than the R/T so i didn't have much of a choice (although corvette chevys are there, but i wouldn't trust Chevrolet after going all Korean and sh!t). and your example about the dump truck is irrelevant, since the charger is obviously having the looks and sounds and CHARTS of a muscle car which it isn't. and if i needed a family sedan, i'd rather get a C300. and about the rust, what you mentioned is probably the most adequate interpretation, although the dealer should've thought it through and took necessary precautions before shipping overseas. and i'd be more than happy to discuss the topic with anybody if they'd just drop the hostility and insulting jokes and focus on the subject(which is how gentlemen act in a discussion)

Most cars are limited and around that area.

You actually said the Charger has the looks and charts of a muscle car. HA! You don't have to be a "pro" to know these things. It's really just common sense.

Stop acting like you didn't get hostile with others and insult them, because you did.

Midnight- well from all the long worthless crap you've posted, you got only ONE thing right, you ACTUALLY are an A$$HOLE. and i'm not even gonna bother saying more. you miserable cocky high and mighty knowing everything rocket scientist piece of SH!T.

Midnight- it seems that i failed to see the "FOR PROS ONLY" on the Forum doorsteps. and i only get hostile when attacked, and i'm not acting like i didn't get hostile, i did, but in reply to SOB ba$tards like you.

Midnight- and go ahead BAN me or close the thread, i know you can, and i know that all $I$$IES would.

Midnight- just telling you that to let you know that you can go F#ck someone else because of your "BAD DAY", but i'm not backing down because you're a moderator or for any reason whatsoever.

ORIGINAL: woozie

Midnight- well from all the long worthless crap you've posted, you got only ONE thing right, you ACTUALLY are an A$$HOLE. and i'm not even gonna bother saying more. you miserable cocky high and mighty knowing everything rocket scientist piece of SH!T.
ORIGINAL: woozie

Midnight- it seems that i failed to see the "FOR PROS ONLY" on the Forum doorsteps. and i only get hostile when attacked, and i'm not acting like i didn't get hostile, i did, but in reply to SOB ba$tards like you.ORIGINAL: woozie

Midnight- just telling you that to let you know that you can go F#ck someone else because of your "BAD DAY", but i'm not backing down because you're a moderator or for any reason whatsoever.ORIGINAL: woozie

Midnight- and go ahead BAN me or close the thread, i know you can, and i know that all $I$$IES would.Mature... Are you actually reading what people are saying to and seeing your own posts? You need to re-read the thread and realise you were the one coming off as asshole and people decided to be an asshole back. The above quotes show exactly what type of a person you are and it seems extremely childish.

I didn't come off as this cocky, high and mighty asshole liek you claim. I also NEVER said this forum was for pros only. I never even said the word pros, except in response to you, telling you that you don't need to be a pro to know these common things. The day I've been having only caused me to make a few smart ass remarks while giving you facts. You are imagining a lot here.

You, who obviously knows very little about vehicles; came into a DODGE forum, complaing about a Dodge product. You acted like an ass and like you knew more than everyone here at an enthusiast site full of Dodge people. You basically showed you cared nothing about any opinions that opposed you and you attacked them. Now you are acting like a child. I hope you enjoy your short stay here cause you won't last long acting like you are.

I am not authorized to ban you, I was simply stating that when an admin sees the trash your posting here, THEN you will most likely be gone. Stop acting like a child.

I do realize that the world is not made of pros woozie and unfortunately so. The reports and such that are written about the charger are somewhat right. to those people that test drive minivans and other cars all day long will see the charger as a freakin speed demon. and who would blame them. But for someone that wants to hang with the little two doors and small cars packing heat under the hood the charger was definately not the choice. Unfortunately the only way for someone to figure taht out woudl be to test drive it for themselves

the charger doesn't really have the charts of a muscle car. yes it has the name the engine and such. but it lacks in the drivetrain and the weight. which are two huge factors. the hemi does put down good power. but suck that out with the auto tranny and the added weight and yes a mustang GT with a stick shift will beat you. his tranny doesn't suck power his drivetrain is better and he weighs a lot less.

what it comes down to is that yes dodge is kinda misleading by what they call the charger. but for most people the charger is a helluva vehicle. but to others who demand performance and don't see it as just a plus the charger isn't your vehicle. the only way you truly could have avoided this was to possibly join some forums or talk to experts and maybe test drive the vehicle. honestly most guys on this forum wouldn't have recommended a charger if you said you wanted to race people. they'd recommend either a viper or a neon or a charger srt8 that you could mod up to be great. but in their stock form it is a no go.

While i agree the dumptruck thing is irrelevant it is merely an example. anyone can say anything is something and in their interpretation it very well may be. but for someone else it may not. if i were you i would honestly trade it in and look for something else that will fit ur specs better.

Quote:"Um, I don't have time to read through 5 pages of bull****, biased hating and people saying the same damn thing to you, beating a horse over and over"

so it's you who is an egoistical self centered almighty God of knowing all truths about cars (you piece of sh!t maniac) who didn't read the thread, i read each and every post and i know what each and every post holds. and seriously, is that the best you can do, pointing to the fact that i know nothing about cars?????????? well, even if that was true (WHICH IS NOT) then i'm glad to tell you that after driving a 2007 Toyota Camry and a 2000 BMW 320i, i think, or to be more accurate, I KNOW that Dodge is worst than both.

You certainly are quite a character and I'm begining to think you're a teen.

I am certainly know car God, but I do spend my time on here reporting news about everything Chryser/Dodge. So I think I have soaked up some knowledge about the company and it's vehicles, lol. I don't even know half of what the great tech guys around here know, but I can notice when someone lacks knowledge on the site.

I can also notice when someone is beign a complete ass to most people just because they don't agree with them. Why should anyone be nice to you, with the way you're talking to them.

Ben D.- well believe me, if i would've seen one forum or review that mentions what was said on this thread (out of which your last post which is pretty much fair) i wouldn't have bought a "grocery getter" for a $ 35,000. the problem is no one is actually mentioning the full truth about things, and people, as i experienced, tend to get over-zealous for their stuff even if they suck big time. so that's why i wanted to post my personal experience and i don't know why are people not giving it a break and let anyonediscuss his own experience.

You paid $35 grand for it! WOW!

You really need to stop acting like you were just "sharing your experience" and being polite. You seemed like you wanted a fight when you first called someone "a contestant" and claimed they insulted you, when they clearly didn't. Matter of fact, you've been doing a lot of that. You got hostile with people very fast over nothing.

Everyone that shared atleast one opinion with you, you treated nicely and anyone who disagreed, you were an ass to.

You realise you're going nutso on me because I acted like 1/10th the ass you were being? You seem to have a warped view on many things.

Midnight- maybe if people didn't use aggressive words like "Woozie, really just STFU and leave. Nobody wants you here, you obviously are not contributing to this forum whatsoever" by Jr. mechanic or "Good grief, guy. If you were dumb enough to buy any vehicle without first test-driving it, you've got no one to blame but yourself. Go have the chaplain punch your TS card." by indianrefining or even "comparing a full size LX body car to a pony car is idiotic" by Pyro. Maybe then i wouldn't feel offended and start fighting back.

and coming from a 1985 born, you shouldn't talk about me being a teen. actually it would be best if you call me uncle or big daddy or something.

and i think the ones who are picking up for fights are people like you who interpret "expressing my opinion" as "you guys don't know **** about cars and i'm the king of the jungle (which you pretty much said about yourself in a way:D)"

Midnight- and stop editing your posts... if you said something, you shouldn't takie it back, you're becoming so hard to track.:Dor are you afraid of the spell-checking guy (occ3377 (http://www.dodgeforum.com/showProfile.asp?memid=84308)). lol

Those comments that you act like are outright insults are minor in comparison to what you said to them. There's a difference in minor remarks and what you say back. You did the same thing to people who were being polite to you. Which made you the one who was attacking someone for expressing their opinion that you didn't like. You don't want me to start quoting the insulting and rude things you've said to people in this thread because it would be one long list. Why in the world, (gotta say world cause anything else would be me being an ass)... Why in the world did you think people were gonna be oh so sweet to you when you came onto a DodgeForum, complaing, bashing and insulting the company and the people.

and no, I never acted like I knew everything dude, that is YOU. All I said is you dont seem like you know to much about the subject and you twist that into me thinking I'm a car god when I said many times I wasnt.

As for the age issue. The fact that you are pretty much saying you are way older than me, proves my point even further. You are an elder, 40-60 year old guy (if you're old enough to be my uncle), who is acting like a child. And the 23 year old guy you're arguing with is acting your age.

I edited my posts to correct errors and add things because by time I've posted, you've posted either 4 times or have posted again and I don't want to double post.

also BTW, i lots of people say opposing opinions on the thread and i never got offensive on any of them, i only get aggressive on people who utilize insultsinstead ofhumor. and look at Ben D. (http://www.dodgeforum.com/showProfile.asp?memid=47696)
and dusty, they both say opposing opinions but they never used insults. so i think that you should actually grow up and go toschool or something.

So you wont complain about an edit... Check out the title of your thread and think about why people werent so nice. And like I said before... Anyway who agreed with you a little bit, you werent rude. And Ben D kinda agreed with you, but not fully, therefor, you werent rude.

again, and for the million time (maybe one day your fat brain will start to get it), i only reply aggressively to people who utilize insults instead of humor. the "POWER VARIANTION" in my reply is actually senseless to argue, since if you get attacked, you won't ask your attacker where do you want me to hit you and how, you just BANG-BACK. and wow, now you say that you thought i'm an elder? i thought five minutes earlier you said you thought i was a teen (grow up) and just to let you know, i'm in my 30s but i'm glad i've seen how you RESPECT the elders (shows what type of ungrateful BRAT you are). and to relieve the itching in your hole, i have no issues about being an Arab or even have issues with American people, and as a matter of fact, as i mentioned before, i lived there and have lots of friends and business there, so drop it off and "GROW UP".

Alright, that's it. I've read enough of your crap. I've had enough of you insulting me and other members and taking your insults way farther than anyone took theirs. If you don't like a few things people say, it is no reason for you to go off on them like a littel 12 year old.

I said you were an elder because you said you were old enough to be my uncle. Or do you forget what you type. Wait, that's right, you've been doing that the whole time. I said you ACTED like a teen after I said you were an elder, pay attention. Don't speak to me about respect, you've shown none to most of the people here.

And I never ONCE said anything about your race or culture. That was others so don't sit there and insult me over it.

You are truely one of the most immature people I've ran accross on here in a long time.

I should have done this earlier after you decided to completely disrepsect and insult a moderator with 4 posts in a row... but I gave you a chance to act your age and you did not. LOCKED

Enjoy banned camp you piece of trash.