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RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 9:10:57 AM    Scott06HEMI Posts: 164 Joined: 8/21/2007 Status: offline I bought the charger because it cover three bases. 1. as a sports car, It's faster than a V6, has tons of power to push a very heavy car.  Will it win drag races at the strip? no.  will it bust most vehicles a$$es at a red light when you want to get infront of them? YES 2. Family vehicle, It has 4 doors for either kids or for guests to ride with you not to mention a lot more room that a 2dr car. 3. Luxury, I bought a car that has heated leather seats, a sun roof, a Navigation system and a DVD player that folds up out of the arm rest so someone in the backseat can watch a movie. This is my wife's car btw, and it's the first one she has driven that after 6 months of having it, she still LOVES to drive it. We drove Jeeps, Impalla SS, Mustangs, Jaguars, Nitros, Tiburons, Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstices etc, when looking for a car for her.  Each of those she liked but after driving it a second or third time (or even just seeing it on the road next to us) she found something she didn't like about it.  She still likes the Charger after 9 months.  My advice before you buy another car, go rent it for the weekend and do what ever you want to it.  If you hate to give it back on monday then there is your answer. _____________________________ 2006 Black 1500 Quadcab HEMI 4x4 35x12.5x20 Cooper Discoverer STTs 3" Revtek front leveling lift 3" Body lift Flowmaster, no resonators Bestop camper top In-dash DVD w/ 10" sub under front pass seat (in reply to dustyloins) Post #: 46

RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 4:26:04 PM    woozie Posts: 46 Joined: 5/3/2008 Status: offline L and R Two-   welcome to the thread... i'm with you bro, i made a mistake by not testing, but is that an excuse for the bad performance? i mean if i test drove, i would've found out, and if i ran through this forum, i would've posted the same opinion. and to be honest the dealer actually didn't have a test drive since they *SOLD FOR A CHEAPER VALUE* which i call GREED which isn't supposed to be the case with a dealer like Dodge.   dustyloins-   man,  i laughed my a$$ man, that was catastrophic and hillarious at  the same time. nice one.   Scott06HEMI-   welcome to the thread... what you mentioned is exactly what the charger is all about. a familly car. so what i'm saying is they shouldn't have: 1st: use the charger name which is historically linked to muscle cars - 2nd: made the specs look like it's a muscle car - 3rd: added more luxury gadgets, more dash glove compartment space, more door compartment slots space...etc and anyways, i would look at the chrysler as the luxury family car not the charger, you know what i mean. and the rental is actually a very good idea, i've learned some really good stuff from this experience.     (in reply to dustyloins) Post #: 47

RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 7:46:49 PM    Scott06HEMI Posts: 164 Joined: 8/21/2007 Status: offline I mentioned 3 things that the charger is all about...family, luxury and sports car and I disagree with you.  I feel that it accomplishes all 3 of those.  It's a VERY heavy car so I don't expect it to tear a$$ up on the drag strip.  However it's still a 14 second car stock.  it can run in the 13s with about $1000 - $1500 worth of mods which is not a lot when it comes to beefing up cars.  It's got the charger name because they made it look similar to the older charger.  I have to say an even worse remake was the Chevy montecarlo...I mean come on, an SS that only came in a 6 cylinder?!?(i think it now comes in a v8) same thing with the Impalla SS (only a v6 for the first few years it was re-produced).  I believe the charger IS a sports car. it's just not as fast as others but it makes up for it if you want a fast car that is loaded with 4 doors for a decent price.  I also feel that it handles well on curves getting on and off the interstate...I'm not running the slalom but it still handles well. _____________________________ 2006 Black 1500 Quadcab HEMI 4x4 35x12.5x20 Cooper Discoverer STTs 3" Revtek front leveling lift 3" Body lift Flowmaster, no resonators Bestop camper top In-dash DVD w/ 10" sub under front pass seat (in reply to woozie) Post #: 48

RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 8:06:24 PM    woozie Posts: 46 Joined: 5/3/2008 Status: offline Scott06HEMI- if you scrolled back to the old posts, you'll find performance charts for both the Ford Mustang and the Dodge charger, and you'll see that in each and every way, the Charger is SUPPOSED to be kicking the Mustang's a$$, except for the weight, but  if you look at both weights, you'll find only a minor difference between them and yet the Mustang in reality is actually the one who's kicking a$$. the 4 doors or 2 doors, from my point of view, are not relevant causes for the charger's sloth. what you say can be true if i'm comparing the charger to a Z4 Beemer or an Audi TT, which both are a hell lot lighter than a charger. and from what you say about the Chevys, i think it's a global current to make cars look better on the account of performance. i mean even the Lumina & Camaro, they look better but perform less than they were. i just wanna add that i think it was plain stupid of Chevrolet to shift to Australia or Korea (no offence to both), a big waste of a damn good brand. hell, i was upset when i learned that Camry was made in Australia, let alone the Chevy. and for the upgrades you're mentioning, well, you're speaking as if the mustangs will hold still while watching the chargers getting upgraded... man, what goes here goes there, so the base model is what makes the difference. and yet again, the $1500 you've mentioned is a very humble amount which i doubt can do much. i'm thinking of not less than $3000 will be a good start to stir things up for the charger. (in reply to Scott06HEMI) Post #: 49

RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 10:13:09 PM    Scott06HEMI Posts: 164 Joined: 8/21/2007 Status: offline Man I know you are disappointed in your purchase and maybe you just got a lemon when it comes to power.  It happens, I test drove a chrysler sebring a few years ago and it had a V6. that was one of the slowest cars I've ever driven with a V6.  Decided to look at another dealership and got talked into driving another one.  It was almost the exact same car, same model same engine, trim, etc.  It blew the doors off the other one yet they were the same year and have the same size engine in it.  We ever went as far as test driving the faster one to the other dealership and while my wife was driving the faster one, I took the slower one on another test drive.  We started at the same red light and punched it.  The one I was driving lost by truck lenghts...and not just a nissan king cab length...I'm talking the dodge QC with an 8' bed kind of length.  All kidding aside I'd say my wife put 10 car lengths on me in a 1/4 mile. deserted back highway where my brother was the law so it was a valid test.  Sure the salesmen bitched at first and then when they saw the difference they both stepped back.  2 brand new, identically built cars and there was that much of a difference.  We ended up buying the faster one of course.  Maybe you just have a really slow turd on your hands.  I'm not trying to shoot down your complaint, I'm sure it's legitament, but it might not be ALL chargers in general. I think for $1500 you could get CAI, gears, programmer/chip and headers(the charger already has a decent exhaust set up if you cut the suitcase muffler off and leave the resonators).  If you DIY, I bet it would add a lot of power and cut a lot off the 1/4 mile time. I removed the cats on my 98 trans am and just doing that took 3/10s of a second off my 1/4 mile time.  Thats a LOT for just taking something off. I ended up dropping an entire second off my 1/4 mile time for less than $1500. intake-300, gears-500, exhaust-300, programmer-350 to go from 13.9 down to 12.9.  I know it's a completely different car but it could happen. _____________________________ 2006 Black 1500 Quadcab HEMI 4x4 35x12.5x20 Cooper Discoverer STTs 3" Revtek front leveling lift 3" Body lift Flowmaster, no resonators Bestop camper top In-dash DVD w/ 10" sub under front pass seat (in reply to woozie) Post #: 50

RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 10:31:17 PM    djmagic   Posts: 1525 Joined: 5/23/2006 Status: offline woozie, it sounds like you would have been happier with the srt8 or the r/t with road and track. 1) No test drive would be a little crazy but when i go to get mine, i'll try the daytona and say hey i'm about to spend 40k and i want to see how it handles. 2)Charger is a 4 door while the stang is a two door, the only car i can see the charger really being compared to is the impala. 3) They used the charger name to get some extra sales. And last but not least just put some time into it and you will enjoy it. When i purchase mine in the future, i'm just gonna use it for a daily driver. I just want what scott did in his first post, get by other cars at lights. I hate when i'm in a hurry and can't get by some car in my neon. So woozie just put a little time and money into it and you will enjoy it. I hope you don't take offence to anything i said. _____________________________ Charger Goal: 20.4% (in reply to Scott06HEMI) Post #: 51

RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 10:34:24 PM    Scott06HEMI Posts: 164 Joined: 8/21/2007 Status: offline Sorry for the change to lbs and miles but I don't use kgs or kms If you look at the charts your talking about, all they are really saying is the charger has 40 more hp and 3996lbs(charger) - 3575lbs(mustang) = 421lb difference in favor of the mustang.  Now I have always been told around drag tracks and mechanic shops, that for every 100lbs you remove from a 13 to 15 second car, your 1/4 mile time drops .1 (1/10th of a second).  Doing the math shows that all things being equal(gearing, wind resistence, temperature, etc), the mustang is 400 lbs lighter and the charger is 40hp stronger.  I don't think 40 extra hp is enough to make up for the .4 second difference in the quarter mile.  .4 seconds at 100mph is a LONG time and a BIG difference in car lengths.  Soooo those charts you are talking about actually show that the mustang should be slightly faster than the R/T charger.  Can anyone jump in here and tell me if my numbers and guesstamations are correct or not? _____________________________ 2006 Black 1500 Quadcab HEMI 4x4 35x12.5x20 Cooper Discoverer STTs 3" Revtek front leveling lift 3" Body lift Flowmaster, no resonators Bestop camper top In-dash DVD w/ 10" sub under front pass seat (in reply to Scott06HEMI) Post #: 52

RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 11:53:12 PM    djmagic   Posts: 1525 Joined: 5/23/2006 Status: offline i was told that too with the wieght reduction and i agree with the logic, scott by the way is you wife the reg r/t of the r/t with road and track. I want the r/t with r.t because the better handling over the reg one. Also woozie you over payed big time i think. My r/t with the r/t package msrps for 36,090 _____________________________ Charger Goal: 20.4% (in reply to Scott06HEMI) Post #: 53

RE: down with dodge - 5/10/2008 3:41:35 AM    woozie Posts: 46 Joined: 5/3/2008 Status: offline Scott06HEMI- 1st post- about the probability that it might be a problem with my car alone, try telling that to a the dealer AFTER you bought the car... yet again, it's a global thing, and you are absolutely right about the lemon  but anyways the parts you mentioned cost a way more if i bought them from here and would cost a fortune if i shipped them from the US unless there's a way of shipping heavy stuff at a low cost .   djmagic- 1st post- welcome to the thread. i only take offense when someone uses insults such as not test driving is idiotic... not sleeping with your girl before marrying her is stupid... stuff like that... i know you said crazy but it's clear you meant no harm, you're discussing the topic objectively and giving opinion, not just popping to lay some insults and go... anyways, the dealer doesn't get srt8 and even doesn't get any Vipers (which i would have gotten if available)... comparing the charger to an impala is totally unrealistic (that is if the charger was the actual charger) 2 doors or 4 doors doesn't really matter, it's actually the weight that does. and using the charger name was a shame on the Dodge and that is why i opened this thread. you know if the case was that i've got a c300 i wouldn't be that upset, since it is supposed to be a luxury sedan, not a muscle (or sports) car. and putting some money into it , well, it's pointless as i said in earlier posts.   Scott06HEMI- 2nd Post- i don't know much about the facts you've mentioned and although it sounds logical and is matching with the difference in timing mentioned in the charts (which makes things look more like calculated than tested) but still i wish it was only that slight difference. i've ridden the Mustang with one of my friends (after he beat the Sh!t of my my charger in a drag) you know the feeling when the car is accelerating more than your head can go so your head sticks to the back of the chair? that's what i actually experienced in the mustang (stock) but in my charger it's not even close to that. and at first when i bought it, i did a burn-out or two in red lights, now for some reason it's not doing anymore (this was just yesterday, that's why i'm only posting it now).   djmagic- 2nd post- prices here are much higher than the US so that's why i wouldn't even think of buying upgrades form here. and i wouldn't recommend you buy the charger, beleive me you'll regret it. if you want a car for every day use, just buy the c300, it looks like a VIP ride. or if you're thinking about something with power, just go for the mustang. that's my advice to you, but it's your call. (in reply to djmagic) Post #: 54

RE: down with dodge - 5/10/2008 2:00:00 PM    fryboydon Posts: 3 Joined: 5/10/2008 Status: offline Wow!! I just finished reading this thread and I was LMAO! Wussie, opps I mean Weezee, wooly, woopie, whatever, I have to thank you for entertaining me. Also, buyer beware! You purchased a vehicle with no test drive, based on specs. I might do that with a computer, but never a car. My 2007 Magnum has a 3.5L, 5speed Autoshift and it is a big, brawny rocket. Did I mention it was stock? Your dis-satisfaction with the performance of you car and the rusty shock nuts and door hinges (mine has that too) is sadly the difference between Belgium and Canada / America. I treated my hinges with WD40 and brush painted the rusty nuts (lol) with Rustolium. Good Luck, Fryboy Thumbnail Image Attachment (1) (in reply to woozie) Post #: 55

RE: down with dodge - 5/10/2008 9:29:11 PM    woozie Posts: 46 Joined: 5/3/2008 Status: offline djmagic- see what i mean, that punk-a$$ *frynoydon* is just drooping by to lay his eggs (insults) and show off his beautiful pu$$y in front of everybody. he's not discussing or adding anything, just enjoying being rude.   fryboydon- get a life. (in reply to fryboydon) Post #: 56

RE: down with dodge - 5/10/2008 10:31:03 PM    djmagic   Posts: 1525 Joined: 5/23/2006 Status: offline woozie i'm gonna stick with the charger and like i said, mine is coming stock with a performance package upgrade. The thing is you have 5 levels of chargers. The bottom is the se(2.7), 2nd is the sxt(3.5), 3rd is yours, the 5.7 240 horse, forth is the daytona(350 plus better handling) and top is the srt8. Basically i'm getting a daytona minus the decals. I love the looks of them and plus its a upgrade from a 4 banger. The 300c costs a whole lot more for a hemi and everything i want. about an extra 10k. Being a college student busting his butt the charger is more affordable. Also i was saying the current charger is kinda on the impala level. I'm pretty sure the ss is a v8. _____________________________ Charger Goal: 20.4% (in reply to woozie) Post #: 57

RE: down with dodge - 5/11/2008 12:20:18 AM    woozie Posts: 46 Joined: 5/3/2008 Status: offline djmagic- well, good luck brother, i hope you enjoy it, and BTW mine is 340 not 240. just a thought: if you're planning to get a daytona why don't you get the same like mine (it's the same engine i think) and spend the extra money on custom upgrades, i think it'll be cheaper (upgrades from the dealer are way more expensive, if i'm not mistaken) (in reply to djmagic) Post #: 58

RE: down with dodge - 5/11/2008 5:09:10 AM    blownsoot Posts: 182 Joined: 11/10/2006 From: The Silver State Status: offline Horsepower numbers don't mean as much as power to weight ratio.  Also Torque numbers mean more when getting it going than horsepower, that might be where the mustang feels faster, better low end power.  I had a 2003 ram with a hemi in it and was not impressed, the motor liked to be reved to high to get the power I wanted, so I traded it.  Also with the speed limiter it is set on what speed rating the tires have so someone doesn't buy one push it as fast as it will go, blow a tire, total the car, then sue the snot out of maker for damages. < Message edited by blownsoot -- 5/11/2008 5:21:35 AM > _____________________________ 2006 Ram mega cab 2500 ctd auto 4" fabtech lift 35" mudders, silencer ring what silencer ring, Banks six gun with pda (in reply to woozie) Post #: 59

RE: down with dodge - 5/11/2008 8:05:41 AM    fryboydon Posts: 3 Joined: 5/10/2008 Status: offline (Your dis-satisfaction with the performance of you car and the rusty shock nuts and door hinges (mine has that too) is sadly the difference between Belgium and Canada / America. I treated my hinges with WD40 and brush painted the rusty nuts (lol) with Rustolium.) oozie, I did "discuss and add". Your so ate up with covering up your automotive faux pas, you failed to acknowledge it. As was the case early on, you came into this site with guns a blazzin! Grow up. And yes, it is a beautiful puss! XXOOO, *frynoydon* (in reply to blownsoot) Post #: 60

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