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RE: down with dodge - 5/7/2008 6:20:28 PM
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woozie
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batman13
Just great... another sc*m bag a$$hole who thinks he's the smartest guy on earth. Missing a letter while typing doesn't mean I misspell my words, but since you've such an empty shallow life to keep searching for spelling mistakes on the forum, would you please check the grammar too?
And I can and will insult whoever insults me such as your sorry pathetic a$$ no matter how long have you been on the forum. Being a vet, doesn't mean that *YOU* can go insulting anyone you want. And this forum is for people to say they opinion whatever it is so I said mine.
Fact: not test driving the car doesn't negate the reality that it is a trashy cheaply engineered car.
Jr.Mechanic... maybe you're reading the wrong page.
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RE: down with dodge - 5/7/2008 6:30:03 PM
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Jr. Mechanic
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batman13
Just great... another sc*m bag a$$hole who thinks he's the smartest guy on earth. Missing a letter while typing doesn't mean I misspell my words, but since you've such an empty shallow life to keep searching for spelling mistakes on the forum, would you please check the grammar too?
And I can and will insult whoever insults me such as your sorry pathetic a$$ no matter how long have you been on the forum. Being a vet, doesn't mean that *YOU* can go insulting anyone you want. And this forum is for people to say they opinion whatever it is so I said mine.
Fact: not test driving the car doesn't negate the reality that it is a trashy cheaply engineered car.
Jr.Mechanic... maybe you're reading the wrong page.
Really... Nobody actually started insulting you, you took it as an insult. You have to look at this from our shoes: A guy, who is a first time poster, complains that his 5,000 lb sedan is slow, but he didnt test drive it before he bought it, and it has all these problems, and yet you imply how hard you have been driving it... Nobody meant to start anything woozie, *most* of the people on this forum are very polite, but most of them also use crude humor that most noobs like yourself dont pick up on, or take offence to. If you want to stick around, cool, but let the shit go... If not, then go ahead and leave, sell your dodge, whatever, but just let it go 
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RE: down with dodge - 5/7/2008 7:27:46 PM
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I've only been a member one day, but thought this forum was pretty slow and boring. Glad I found this thread! Finally some excitement. Sorry to hear you got confused and bought a 4 door sedan as a muscle car, you my friend got TOOK! I got me a Ram 1500 gas guzzling bad ass American monster. You know, the kind that makes Al Gore cry himself to sleep. I love it. I actually had a Charger as a rent a car a couple of weeks ago and thought it was probably the coolest sedan I have ever drove. Never felt like drag racing though so I can neither confirm nor deny your claims. I would suggest you take the hit and get rid of it.
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RE: down with dodge - 5/7/2008 9:31:53 PM
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woozie
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jr mechanic... for the love of God man... I'm not complaining to anybody, I'm just giving a damn complete picture about the car whatsoever. And again, it's not up to you or to anybody to tell someone to leave. If the moderators find my thread bad or insulting, they'll simply close it or even ban me without telling "if you don't stop you have to leave" so drop it off and leave me alone and find something useful to do.
LoneStar... welcome brother, I'm happy I'm seeing more sane people on the forum. I'm glad you're happy about your Ram, heard it's really a bad baby. About the charger... if it's not supposed to be a muscle car then why did they install a Hemi 5.7 on it? And why did they make it with an empty cheap cabin without any gadgets or options or even proper room if it's a sedan? And 340 horse power!!! 0-100 in 5.7 secs!!! And from the old days, charger has always been a muscle car. i mean, it's as if dodge are trying to give a muscled picture for the car which is not true. You know what I mean... the car actually accelerates fine in the first 3 gears (that is when the kick down works correctly) then it starts loosing power and acceleration. I first discovered this while I got challenged on the road by a Mercedes (also a sedan, not slk or clk), I actually was going head to head with him till we I reach the 4th gear, and by the time I got to the 5th and reached 200 km/h he had already passed me like a rocket. Of course the stupid speed limit at 200 km/h cut the fuel and forced a deceleration (I wonder whose stupid idea it was to put a speed limiter at 200!!!!!!!! and btw the dealer mentioned it's at 250). And for the weight thing (that it weighs a ton and sh!t) okay, so why isn't it stable at cornering? If the road gets a little curvy and I don't slow down to 80 the wheels scream as if there was no traction at all (it's supposed to have an ESP). I concluded from this that dodge programmed the car to burnout on the lower gears while sacrificing the performance of higher ones, so mostly it's a miss-engineered gear issue. But can you tell me how is someone supposed to know if it's a muscle car or not (seriously) if the advertised by the dealer is crap like: Engine: HEMI 5.7 V8 / Power: 340 HP / Torque: 528 / Fuel Econ. 11.2 l/100km (which is a freaking joke) / 0-100: 5.7 / Top Speed: 250 km/h electronically limited (yeah right)... these were exactly the ads and details of the car at the dealer site, the dodge sit and everywhere I could look at. now if you compare this to a Mustang...: Engine: NOT HEMI 4.6 V8 / Power: 300 HP / Torque: 433 / Fuel Econ. 11.4 l/100km / 0-100: 5.5 / Top Speed: 229 km/h... you tell me brother, what can you learn from these info. if we speak again about the weight (and the mustang is not a light car either), well, it says on the charts that there's only a difference 0.2 seconds difference in the 0-100 (which is the biggest lie) so how on earth would you figure out that the charger isn't a muscle car. got my point... if there's a way to know this except for these info please tell me so that I wouldn't fall for the same sh!t again. And about getting rid of it, it's not that simple (oh god I wish it was simple), this car's resale value is pathetic (bought it 2 months ago with $39,509 and now it's worth $27,247) and it would be better to keep it as a "Décor" in front of your house than selling it.
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RE: down with dodge - 5/8/2008 5:51:12 AM
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"claim their land and *PETROL* as ours (your nick name says it all)."
Oh, "Woozie", give it a rest. You don't have even the most vague notion of what my "nick name" refers to and your egotistical, disjointed, whining rambling is really wearing on everyone's nerves. Sell your damn car, learn a few more languages, and go try to impress people on some other site. 
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RE: down with dodge - 5/8/2008 8:41:05 AM
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woozie
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*Indian*refining-
wow, you've learned some vocab, that's impressive, good boy. now go fetch the stick.
and BTW *you* are not *everybody* you *egotistical* man!ac, so speak for your sorry a$$ self.
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RE: down with dodge - 5/8/2008 8:53:31 AM
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Actually, I feel bad for woozie. Anybody that hears about the "charger" automatically thinks of a muscle car roaring from the past to collect souls lmao. The way he is describing the car's performance, I'm feeling sick for him. And please guys, don't try to write the charger off as a family car, that car is designed to haul ass and eat mustangs, it's called a CHARGER. Anyways, woozie, I think you just need to cool out man, and appreciate what you have. That is a sweet car. I think your just kind of having second thoughts, it happens. When you start getting the exhaust on her with the headers, and the intake, you'll start to fall in love with that car all over again. As soon as she gets a mean growl from the exhaust, you'll be excited to hop into that sweet muscle car. There is a reason you bought it, because you liked what the car says, and that's just raw muscle. I hear what your saying, but I think it's in your head. That car is sweet man, don't loose the faith about it, you got to work with it. I saw a charger go by the other day and it sounded so god damn good, and it was just hauling ass. They are a sweet car, and yours looks mint man, enjoy that beast.
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RE: down with dodge - 5/8/2008 9:45:47 AM
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woozie
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thank you so much for your post. and most of all thank you for your concern and appreciation, i'm glad someone is actually thinking the same way i am, which is that the charger is supposed to be a muscle car. and actually installing any other upgrades right now is not a good idea since it is limited to the stup!d 200 km/h and to get over this i need a supership which of coures will void my warranty. so i guess i'm stuck to this embarrassing performance for a while. meanwhile, i'll try picking up smaller opponents, toyota yaris, honda city, you know. 
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RE: down with dodge - 5/8/2008 2:23:12 PM
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I kinda feel for ya' too, a bit woozie. I've always looked at the new Chargers as Chrysler trying to marry a muscle car with a 4 door sedan to pick up sales on both ends. The ads are a good bit misleading, but then again, what advertisements aren't?
IMO it's ballsy for a family sedan, but lacks the refinements and comforts of one, it's big and roomy for a muscle car, but the size and weight doesn't let it compete with true muscle cars.
But, you could also have done some homework, especially before slapping down so much hard earned money on a vehicle you couldn't see or drive before hand. Just the fact that it's got a Hemi, does not place it into "muscle car" status, the Hemi is a solid performer and sells vehicles by name alone. Hell, Chrysler is putting it in just about every vehicle they make that it'll fit into. Even though they are all available with the 5.7 Hemi, I wouldn't classify the Durango, RAM, Grand Cherokee, Magnum, Aspen, or even the 300 as muscle cars, would you?
All vehicles have good points and bad, you weigh them out and purchase the one with as many good qualities you like, while having the least poor ones or at least poor features that you can or are willing to fix or change. Thankfully, the Hemi has gobs of untouched power just wanting to be let out. I've got mine up about 75HP over stock and have not replaced the cam yet, meaning there is easily 100 extra ponies available while keeping it naturally aspirated and not even talking about doing any expensive headwork. You start talking blowers and heads and you are REALLY talking about a performer now!
You just need to sit back and relax so you can make good, solid decisions. Is this really not the car you thought you were getting? Can it be made into the car of your dreams? If not, and you will NEVER like it, then you may need to cut your losses and get rid of it. If so, then you need to research what you'll get out of what mods you could do, and how much you might be willing to spend. 01Dodge360 is right, you drop an air intake and exhaust in that car and you may start looking at it in another light.
I know if you have a proper outlook, there are many here who know the Hemi's inside and out who would be more than willing to help steer you the right way.
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RE: down with dodge - 5/8/2008 5:55:41 PM
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woozie
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let me start by saying that again i'm happy to see more objective and decent people post on this thread. and then, you and *01Dodge360* are really starting to give me hopes that it's not too late to save the day. unfortunately car customization here is not that common and you cannot trust even the dealer with something like that. you know, as i'm working in investment, i think that if an ace mechanic as such as the ones you're talking about, opens a workshop here, it can make a fortune. as i'm telling you, people aren't even trusting the dealers since they're all full of cr@p (even the BMW & Mercedes). and people here are more than willing to spend the money for that extra power.
but back to the subject at hand, as i mentioned before, the car is limited to 200 km/h whatsoever the upgrade you're having, unless you install a superchip which voids warranty. so it's again a matter of 3 years so that i might think of doing any serious upgrades. also, the upgrades, since they're limited to specific workshops, are expensive like crazy, the Mopar headers and cat backs cost around $3,500 without installation (i think that's very exaggerated, or isn't it?) like the Kenwood Nav.sys. that the stupid salesman installed for me which cost $2,600 and i wouldn't have installed it if he told me that they do have the performance upgrades.
and whether or not i'm able to accept the car, first, do i have a choice? can't loose so much in just a short period (3 months-$12,000) but to tell you the truth, i always liked to have a charger and especially the charger not the c300 or even the mustang. i liked the tough looks and (as advertised which is not true) the performance scales. but i was a shocked by the performance which wasn't even close to what was said (as you can see in the attachments in my reply to *01Dodge360*). so it's kinda frustrating. i've really fallen for what you said "Hemi is a solid performer and sells vehicles by name alone"... should've test drove, okay well, i admit i should've, but that doesn't change the fact that Dodge was lying and over-flattering the charger. and you've got to my same point of view, that if it was meant to be a mere sedan, then it's missing lots of the sedan features. i was considering my 2007 Camry a sedan and a family car, and we can say the Honda Accord is a family sedan, but we can't say that the charger is or will ever be considered a family sedan.
again, i thank you for your post and discussion, it was really my pleasure to have talked with people such as yourself and *01Dodge360* , *LoneStar*, "Greg_Glider" and for anyone who respects the other opinion whatsoever.
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RE: down with dodge - 5/8/2008 7:03:26 PM
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HammerZ71
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but back to the subject at hand, as i mentioned before, the car is limited to 200 km/h whatsoever the upgrade you're having, unless you install a superchip which voids warranty. so it's again a matter of 3 years so that i might think of doing any serious upgrades.
I won't pretend to know how the laws are over there, but here they cannot void your warranty claim because of a modification unless they can prove the mod caused the failure. It is basically covered by the Magnuson/Moss Act. You can do a Google search for it and read it.
Also here is a link to the Superchips website FAQ page, which specifically states that the installation of an SC tune DOES NOT void your warranty.
http://www.superchips.com/customer_support.php?customer_support_category_key=9
Also, their Cortex product specifically comes with a 2 year Powertrain Warranty on your vehicle at no extra charge. Which, among it's many fine features, will eliminate your speed limiter and allow you to adjust your rpm limiter.
http://www.superchips.com/products.php?pk=56&pvk=116&cmk=808&pname=5.7L+Hemi+Powered+Cars%2C+Ram+Pickups+%26+Cummins+Diesel+Powered+Pickup+Trucks
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RE: down with dodge - 5/8/2008 7:42:53 PM
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The one thing i am wondering is how would the dealership (or stealership as I like to call them!) know that you installed a superchips, and increased the top speed limiter? If you can still get the superchips, and the dealership doesn't know, than i would go for it. If you have to take your car for service or warranty, then just return your charger back to stock and the stealership will never know. Please correct me if I am incorrect here! I wouldn't care too much for them, they are all just a bunch of tools and idiots anyways. Most salesman are!
And it was also my pleasure to discuss this with you too!!!
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RE: down with dodge - 5/8/2008 11:55:36 PM
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woozie
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thanks again for your helpful post. i heard before about the Cortex (among many others such Diablo), and i read their articles about the warranty. that's very comforting to you guys living in the US since you have the ability to actually claim them for any of the damages (even if it's a warranty void) but for me to do this, i have to ship the car to them in case anything comes up, they won't cover an international incident right? and also there's the point that usage of such gadgets IS prohibited and so the customs Will confiscate before i can ever get hold of it (same goes for radar detectors). and as for the laws, actually the article you mentioned is a US federal law so it does not apply here, if i'm getting it right. and this kind of stuff actually sucks here i.e. i bought a couple of computer items from Amazon.com (processors, mobos,...etc) and when i received them by mail they were in a bad condition, as if they were repacked or something. so i contacted the customer support, who replied directly on the next day, and informed them about this issue. and at once they gave me options to fully refund or discount or replace, and when i chose replace, they sent me new parts on the next day. this all happened without them even giving the slightest inclination that i might be lying, and they didn't tell me you have to send the parts first and then we'll send the new ones to you. and to tell you the truth i was so damn impressed. but coming to the point of this example, is that if i purchased these items from here and the same situation happened, the dealer here would've done the total opposite and they would've told me that it was somehow my fault, and wouldn't have even cared to inspect the items to see if my claims are justified. now in an item as big as a car, multiply the severity and headache x10. so the bottom line is you can't risk it. of course this IS NOT Dodge's fault, it's a governing laws issue, but i'm angry with Dodge for putting me under the circumstance that i need such things to improve my vehicle performance. the thing is...
as Greg-Glider mentioned (yo bro, how's it goin) is it actually traceable that you installed a superchip on your vehicle? i heard that the car computer has a log that register each and every detailed change that happened on the car, is this true? if it's just a story to cool down enthusiasts fire then "Halleluiah", if not then, as i mentioned above, i might be putting myself in lots of risks. and Greg-Glider... you're right, the Stealership's so called "ENGINEERS" are just a bunch of fancy pants fools who act like they know everything but in fact they know sh!t. this goes with all dealers, i mean stealers for all brands. once when i was fixing my Beemer and buying some parts from a third party retailer, i saw a guy from the dealer's workshop actually buying parts from there too . it was then that i realized that it's actually pointless to waste any extra money to fix something at the dealers workshop (of course when you're out of the warranty period).
Question, are the prices of the parts i mentioned (Mopar headers, cat-backs) that high in the US or it's way lower than what i mentioned? i wouldn't be able to get them from the US anyways since they'll cost more for shipping but it's just out of curiosity.
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RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 4:54:06 AM
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I'll agree on the "not being able to test drive, being a bad thing." When I bought my truck, I test drove 3 different trucks on the lot. 1 did not handle the way the others did. WHy? I don't know, but if I cam going to spend that amount of money, I want to test it first. Maybe the dealer knew about the problems and this was the reason why you weren;t allowed to test drive. If you can't test it, go somewhere else.
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RE: down with dodge - 5/9/2008 6:53:29 AM
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When I bought my SRT-4 I wasn't allowed to test drive it due to "insurance reasons".....I found out later (on this forum, I might add) that this was a common policy among Dodge dealers with this car due to several customers and sales personnel being injured in accidents while test driving the pocket rocket and not being used to the torque steering problem under full acceleration.
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