fsu182
03-27-2008, 04:14 PM
First and foremost –
THIS IS NOT A "HOW TO" SWAP POST!!!
THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WILL NEED TO DO THE SWAP…
THIS IS FOR A 2.0 AND HAS NO INFORMATION ON A 2.4 SWAP
Co-written by 95to96transplantneon and fsu182If you want to swap your SOHC (single over head cam) engine out for a DOHC (dual over head cam) engine, this is the information that you need. (However thisinformation will helpwith the person wanting to swap DOHC to SOHC as well…) I am writing this with the idea that the person reading it knows enough about internal combustion engines and has enough mechanical inclination to attempt the project.
1. What are the Differences between the SOHC and the DOHC?
The differences between these two enginesare primarily in their cylinder heads. They share the exact same block.
The DOHC (Engine Code = ECC) has two camshafts inside the head. One camshaft opens and closesthe intake valves, allowing air and fuel into the combustion chamber. The other set operates the exhaust valves, allowing exhaust gasses to flow out of the combustion chamber after the air and fuelmixture isburned.
The SOHC (Engine Code = ECB) engine has only one cam, which opens and closes both the intake and exhaust valves.
Both heads have the same numberof valves (16.)
The compression ratio is also different between DOHC and SOHC engines, because the cylinder head combustion chambers are different. The DOHC has a larger combustion chamber. To compensate for that, the DOHC has a raised piston dome with 4 valve reliefs. The valve reliefs are machined indents in the piston top that allow the valves room to open during normal engine operation.The SOHC has flat top pistons.The bore for both the DOHC and the SOHC is 3.445 in The stroke for both the DOHC and the SOHC is 3.267 inThe intake and exhaust manifolds are different for each head design. The DOHC has larger exhaust ports that are more eliptical in shape, while the SOHC has smaller, round exhaust ports. The intake port is also larger on the DOHC head. The DOHC manifolds have larger ports to match.
The DOHC engine has a rev limiter of 7200 RPM.
The SOHC engine has a rev limiter of 6750 RPM.
The 2.0 DOHC engine is rated from the factory with 150 hp @ 6500 RPM with 133 ft/lbs. @ 5600 RPM of torque
The 2.0 SOHC engine is rated from the factory with 132 hp @ 6000 RPM with 129 ft/lbs. @ 5000 RPM of torque (NOTE: This SOHC rating is forengines produced from1996 to 1999. SOHC engines produced in 1995 have a hotter cam and prouduce more power)
The compression ratio of the stock motors are…
9.6:1 for DOHC
9.8:1 for SOHC
9.3:1 for California controlled SOHC also know as the TLVE(NOTE: this version of the SOHC engine was created to produce lower emissions)
You can get creative and swap a SOHC head on a block that has DOHC pistons and it will yield a compression ratio of 10.3:1 (more compression = more power)
Or
You can swap a DOHC head on a block that has SOHC pistons and it will yield a compression ratio of 9.3:1. This setup is an ideal setup for turbo applications. The lower compression will allow you to run a higher PSI of boost, while the individual cams will allow you to custom tune your timing much easier.
(NOTE: when swapping only heads, you also need the appropriate timing belt and components, along with intake and exhaust manifolds, pcm, wiring harness, etc.)
Other differences between the complete DOHC and SOHC motor assemblies are…
Both the intake and the exhaust manifolds are different. They will not swap over.
(SOHC motors have two versions of the intake manifold, Plastic and Aluminum)
The fuel rails are different between the SOHC and DOHC.The SOHC cars are equipped with a single-outlet mufflerThe DOHC cars are equipped with a better performing dual-outlet muffler
While both the SOHC and DOHC motors have 19lb injectors, they are different. The DOHC injectors are longer and will not fit a SOHC.
I am not getting into gear ratio differences on the transmissions here. I am simply talking about the engines. The most important thing is that all 1995-1999 neon transmissions are interchangeable. Automatics and manuals.
2. What parts do I need to complete the SOHC to DOHC swap?
Read the details on each item, to ensure that you need it.
You will need:
I. DOHC engine (complete)
This includes: Assembled Block
Assembled Head
Intake manifold
Exhaust manifold
Proper injectors and fuel rail (read above)
On a side note:
1995 m/y Neons have separate IAT and MAP sensors and the intake manifold has provisions for both sensors.
1996 – 1999 m/y Neon’s have an intergraded IAT/MAP sensor requiring only one hole in the intake manifold.
On 1996 – 1999 m/y Neon’s it is possible to use the 95 manifold however it will take some modification.
On 1995 m/y Neon’s you will not be able to use a 96 – 99 intake manifold.
II. DOHC PCMof the same year as yourcar
Read the information under DOHCWiring Harness
III. DOHC Wiring Harness
Make sure the wiring harness will work with your car. If you have a 96+ engine, you need a 96+ harness. If you don't want to buy a wiring harness, you can convert your stock SOHCharness to work the DOHC engine. It requires more work and custom wiring.
To convert a SOHC harness to DOHC, you need to change the cam positioning sensor plug, and extend the coolant temp sensor plug, it needs to be long enough to reach passenger front side of the head.Sensors may not be plug and play. You may need to buy new sensors for certain applications or use the sensor form your other motor.
If swapping DOHC to SOHC the harness will be long enough to reach.
There are some differences to some of the harnesses depending on the year:
(early 97 wiring harnesses are odd, they may have differences such as VSS, alternator, brown wire that goes to the starter, TPS, and the IAC motor all have different plugs. From what I can gather it is a Frankenstein harness between the 96 harnesses and late 97-99 harness’s)
1995 PCM has a single plug that connects to the frame, motor, and cabin wiring harness.
1996-1999 PCM has two plugs that connect to the frame, motor, and cabin wiring harness.
1995 model year has unique plugs for almost all the sensors in the engine bay.
1996 model year is a hybrid between 95 sensors and 97-99
1997 - 1999 No changes were made to the wiring harness between these years... use all the same sensors.
1995 has a separate MAP and IAT sensor.
1996-1999 have an integrated MAP / IAT sensor.
1995-1996 use the PDC for the fan relay.
1997-1999 use a separate fan relay located just below the driver side headlight.
1995-1997 use Bosch plugs for the injectors.
1997-1999 use the USCAR square plug
The plug change happened mid year so some 97's have Bosch style some have the USCAR style.
1995-1997 use the same alternator and starter.
1998-1999 use the same alternator and starter.
They only fit the correct years harness.
IV.DOHC Motor Mounts
There are two different types of motor mounts. There are steel mounts and aluminum mounts. The steel mounts are interchangeable; the aluminum mounts will only work on the type ofengine they came off of. If you have the aluminum mounts, you will need to buy new motor mounts.
3. Is it worth it to swap from a SOHC toa DOHC?
If you happen to have an extraDOHC engine, or got one really cheap, then you may find this swap worthwhile. If you plan on continuing to modify your car with a turbo or other performance parts then you may find this swap worthwhile. If you simply want to change your engine out to gain this horsepower and do no more, then you are better off to spend your money or some performance parts for your SOHC engine and enjoy them. Different people have different opinions of these engines and this process. What is undeniably true is that you gain a better flowing engine, individually adjustable timing between the intake and exhaust valves, a higher rev limiter, a higher powerband, and a slight ego boost. You also gain a little extra weight, and anadditional cam to purchase if you plan on upgrading them in the future.
4. Is the 420a engine from an eclipse the same as the neon DOHC?
No, the Neon 2.0 DOHC (Engine code: ECC) and Avenger/Sebring/Eclipse/Talon2.0 DOHC (Engine code: 420a) are different. Similar, but different. In other words your neon does not have a 420a engine. This is a common misconception among new 1st gen DOHC owners. The 420a head is unique and has reversed flow; The exhaust manifold sits in front of the car and wraps down in front of, then under the engineblock.The air intake is routed behind the engine towards the rear of the compartment to enter the head. Many bottom end parts for a 420a will work for the ECC such as pistons, rods, timing components, bearings, head gasket, etc. Another common swap is for neon owners touse the valve cover from the 420a (which is has raised lettering that reads: "DOHC 2.0L 16 VALVE."Also note that the neon DOHC (ECC) shares onlyits cylinder head in common with one other engine: theChrysler 2.4 DOHC engine found in the 1st gen stratus, caravan, etc. They are the exact same casting number. If you look at the back of the cam gears on the ECC's head, they read "2.4 front." This is because the gears are flippedwhen used on the 2.4 DOHC. The camshafts, however, are different. Thebottom endon the 2.4 is also different. It has a longer stroke and produces more torque. It is also popular to swap the 2.4 DOHC into 1st gen neons.
Information courtesy of 95to96transplantneon, spudsterier, das2123, Jr. Mechanic, Ghost Neon 2, allpar.com, and myself.
THIS IS NOT A "HOW TO" SWAP POST!!!
THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WILL NEED TO DO THE SWAP…
THIS IS FOR A 2.0 AND HAS NO INFORMATION ON A 2.4 SWAP
Co-written by 95to96transplantneon and fsu182If you want to swap your SOHC (single over head cam) engine out for a DOHC (dual over head cam) engine, this is the information that you need. (However thisinformation will helpwith the person wanting to swap DOHC to SOHC as well…) I am writing this with the idea that the person reading it knows enough about internal combustion engines and has enough mechanical inclination to attempt the project.
1. What are the Differences between the SOHC and the DOHC?
The differences between these two enginesare primarily in their cylinder heads. They share the exact same block.
The DOHC (Engine Code = ECC) has two camshafts inside the head. One camshaft opens and closesthe intake valves, allowing air and fuel into the combustion chamber. The other set operates the exhaust valves, allowing exhaust gasses to flow out of the combustion chamber after the air and fuelmixture isburned.
The SOHC (Engine Code = ECB) engine has only one cam, which opens and closes both the intake and exhaust valves.
Both heads have the same numberof valves (16.)
The compression ratio is also different between DOHC and SOHC engines, because the cylinder head combustion chambers are different. The DOHC has a larger combustion chamber. To compensate for that, the DOHC has a raised piston dome with 4 valve reliefs. The valve reliefs are machined indents in the piston top that allow the valves room to open during normal engine operation.The SOHC has flat top pistons.The bore for both the DOHC and the SOHC is 3.445 in The stroke for both the DOHC and the SOHC is 3.267 inThe intake and exhaust manifolds are different for each head design. The DOHC has larger exhaust ports that are more eliptical in shape, while the SOHC has smaller, round exhaust ports. The intake port is also larger on the DOHC head. The DOHC manifolds have larger ports to match.
The DOHC engine has a rev limiter of 7200 RPM.
The SOHC engine has a rev limiter of 6750 RPM.
The 2.0 DOHC engine is rated from the factory with 150 hp @ 6500 RPM with 133 ft/lbs. @ 5600 RPM of torque
The 2.0 SOHC engine is rated from the factory with 132 hp @ 6000 RPM with 129 ft/lbs. @ 5000 RPM of torque (NOTE: This SOHC rating is forengines produced from1996 to 1999. SOHC engines produced in 1995 have a hotter cam and prouduce more power)
The compression ratio of the stock motors are…
9.6:1 for DOHC
9.8:1 for SOHC
9.3:1 for California controlled SOHC also know as the TLVE(NOTE: this version of the SOHC engine was created to produce lower emissions)
You can get creative and swap a SOHC head on a block that has DOHC pistons and it will yield a compression ratio of 10.3:1 (more compression = more power)
Or
You can swap a DOHC head on a block that has SOHC pistons and it will yield a compression ratio of 9.3:1. This setup is an ideal setup for turbo applications. The lower compression will allow you to run a higher PSI of boost, while the individual cams will allow you to custom tune your timing much easier.
(NOTE: when swapping only heads, you also need the appropriate timing belt and components, along with intake and exhaust manifolds, pcm, wiring harness, etc.)
Other differences between the complete DOHC and SOHC motor assemblies are…
Both the intake and the exhaust manifolds are different. They will not swap over.
(SOHC motors have two versions of the intake manifold, Plastic and Aluminum)
The fuel rails are different between the SOHC and DOHC.The SOHC cars are equipped with a single-outlet mufflerThe DOHC cars are equipped with a better performing dual-outlet muffler
While both the SOHC and DOHC motors have 19lb injectors, they are different. The DOHC injectors are longer and will not fit a SOHC.
I am not getting into gear ratio differences on the transmissions here. I am simply talking about the engines. The most important thing is that all 1995-1999 neon transmissions are interchangeable. Automatics and manuals.
2. What parts do I need to complete the SOHC to DOHC swap?
Read the details on each item, to ensure that you need it.
You will need:
I. DOHC engine (complete)
This includes: Assembled Block
Assembled Head
Intake manifold
Exhaust manifold
Proper injectors and fuel rail (read above)
On a side note:
1995 m/y Neons have separate IAT and MAP sensors and the intake manifold has provisions for both sensors.
1996 – 1999 m/y Neon’s have an intergraded IAT/MAP sensor requiring only one hole in the intake manifold.
On 1996 – 1999 m/y Neon’s it is possible to use the 95 manifold however it will take some modification.
On 1995 m/y Neon’s you will not be able to use a 96 – 99 intake manifold.
II. DOHC PCMof the same year as yourcar
Read the information under DOHCWiring Harness
III. DOHC Wiring Harness
Make sure the wiring harness will work with your car. If you have a 96+ engine, you need a 96+ harness. If you don't want to buy a wiring harness, you can convert your stock SOHCharness to work the DOHC engine. It requires more work and custom wiring.
To convert a SOHC harness to DOHC, you need to change the cam positioning sensor plug, and extend the coolant temp sensor plug, it needs to be long enough to reach passenger front side of the head.Sensors may not be plug and play. You may need to buy new sensors for certain applications or use the sensor form your other motor.
If swapping DOHC to SOHC the harness will be long enough to reach.
There are some differences to some of the harnesses depending on the year:
(early 97 wiring harnesses are odd, they may have differences such as VSS, alternator, brown wire that goes to the starter, TPS, and the IAC motor all have different plugs. From what I can gather it is a Frankenstein harness between the 96 harnesses and late 97-99 harness’s)
1995 PCM has a single plug that connects to the frame, motor, and cabin wiring harness.
1996-1999 PCM has two plugs that connect to the frame, motor, and cabin wiring harness.
1995 model year has unique plugs for almost all the sensors in the engine bay.
1996 model year is a hybrid between 95 sensors and 97-99
1997 - 1999 No changes were made to the wiring harness between these years... use all the same sensors.
1995 has a separate MAP and IAT sensor.
1996-1999 have an integrated MAP / IAT sensor.
1995-1996 use the PDC for the fan relay.
1997-1999 use a separate fan relay located just below the driver side headlight.
1995-1997 use Bosch plugs for the injectors.
1997-1999 use the USCAR square plug
The plug change happened mid year so some 97's have Bosch style some have the USCAR style.
1995-1997 use the same alternator and starter.
1998-1999 use the same alternator and starter.
They only fit the correct years harness.
IV.DOHC Motor Mounts
There are two different types of motor mounts. There are steel mounts and aluminum mounts. The steel mounts are interchangeable; the aluminum mounts will only work on the type ofengine they came off of. If you have the aluminum mounts, you will need to buy new motor mounts.
3. Is it worth it to swap from a SOHC toa DOHC?
If you happen to have an extraDOHC engine, or got one really cheap, then you may find this swap worthwhile. If you plan on continuing to modify your car with a turbo or other performance parts then you may find this swap worthwhile. If you simply want to change your engine out to gain this horsepower and do no more, then you are better off to spend your money or some performance parts for your SOHC engine and enjoy them. Different people have different opinions of these engines and this process. What is undeniably true is that you gain a better flowing engine, individually adjustable timing between the intake and exhaust valves, a higher rev limiter, a higher powerband, and a slight ego boost. You also gain a little extra weight, and anadditional cam to purchase if you plan on upgrading them in the future.
4. Is the 420a engine from an eclipse the same as the neon DOHC?
No, the Neon 2.0 DOHC (Engine code: ECC) and Avenger/Sebring/Eclipse/Talon2.0 DOHC (Engine code: 420a) are different. Similar, but different. In other words your neon does not have a 420a engine. This is a common misconception among new 1st gen DOHC owners. The 420a head is unique and has reversed flow; The exhaust manifold sits in front of the car and wraps down in front of, then under the engineblock.The air intake is routed behind the engine towards the rear of the compartment to enter the head. Many bottom end parts for a 420a will work for the ECC such as pistons, rods, timing components, bearings, head gasket, etc. Another common swap is for neon owners touse the valve cover from the 420a (which is has raised lettering that reads: "DOHC 2.0L 16 VALVE."Also note that the neon DOHC (ECC) shares onlyits cylinder head in common with one other engine: theChrysler 2.4 DOHC engine found in the 1st gen stratus, caravan, etc. They are the exact same casting number. If you look at the back of the cam gears on the ECC's head, they read "2.4 front." This is because the gears are flippedwhen used on the 2.4 DOHC. The camshafts, however, are different. Thebottom endon the 2.4 is also different. It has a longer stroke and produces more torque. It is also popular to swap the 2.4 DOHC into 1st gen neons.
Information courtesy of 95to96transplantneon, spudsterier, das2123, Jr. Mechanic, Ghost Neon 2, allpar.com, and myself.