I was in an argument with the owner of a 2004 Ford/SVT F-150 Lightning. He was saying how the HEMI engine is horrible. He laughed and said that the new HEMI's 345HP couldn't compare to the Lightning's 380HP. Here was my argument: The HEMI's 5.7L is NA, the Lightnings 5.4L is SC. The 5.4L without the Supercharger is 260HP. The HEMI with a Supercharger is 517HP. Besides, the point of HEMI's re-introduction in the Ram was for Heavy Duty purposes. What do you guys think?

You are exactly right. It is easy for a lightning owner to say mine is faster<IMG src=smileys/smiley36.gif border="0">! You take the blower off and its the same old under powered wimpy 5.4 except the stronger valves and crap in the cylinder heads used for the lightning. The lightning is not very practicle considering its cab size and bed length and width. So Ford thought they would fix it with the Harley Davidson SC, big deal! They added taller gears, and larger wheels, robbing even more horsepower! Ford had to piece so many parts from donor vehicles just to get the lightning to work. </P>


Bottom line I am happy with my Hemi thank you very much. The only gripe I have is the wimpy front suspension that Dodge used on the halfton 2wds. No worries though, there is ways around that. </P>

When just add the Kenne Bell Supercharger available for the HEMI and we will he what fair is!!!!</P>


redriderbob</P>

I see alot of lightnings in the used car lots for sale because they are not practicle. No extended cab and no towing power. Can't carry your family either. I chose the hemi because it has raw power and that ismuch better than anything supercharged. I don't have to worry about the blower going out. This is what isfunnyabout the super charger on the lightning it has only 35 more hp than the Hemi <IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0">

you dont even need a supercharger to level the playing field either,
get a programmer, an exhaust, a cold air intake...this should get you
above the lightning alone with still other cheaper bolt-ons to get,
then supercharge it and blow it away!<img src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0">

I also heard that the Supercooler they designed was having problems and they might not use it.

Why do you argue about power like this?</P>


Just enjoy your truck!</P>

we do enjoy our trucks, we just enjoy it much more when we can race
someone and win! if you have to ask about adding power by modding a
vehicle to be faster than the next, then you wouldn't understand

I LOVE my HEMI, but I think HEMI TT put it best, "It's too fast, wait there's no such thing as too fast!" Also, suping up a truck is fun when you "...blow the doors off of some kid in a foreign hatchback." -MT

I have a reg cab SB 5.2L, a buddy with a 4WD 97 Triton 5.4L wanted to see how they'd do against each other......I figured to get beat, but the ol Dodge spanked the Ford. I have lower gears and less weight because of the 2wd and his was 4wd ext cab but i really was unimpressed with the Ford. Some guy with a 2wd flareside 98 5.4 wants a piece now. I'll ask him how the exhaust smells at the end of the straight.

Anybody know how the 5.4 in the 04 Fords do against the Hemi?? It's supposed to have a lot more powerthan before, besides the SRT-10 Ram is in class with the Lightning. The natural aspirated 5.4 should go against the Hemi. And get beaten severely I might add. Oh, lets bring Chevy in this race too, I don't know much about the newer ones.

chevy makes trucks ???</P>


izzinya <IMG src=smileys/smiley15.gif border="0"></P>

hey now...i may own a dodge truck, and love it to death, but im a chevy guy at heart. and quite frnakly, they make some killer trucks. the new silverado 3500 hd with the duramax deisel put nearly 600 ft/lbs to the ground. talk about towing power. </P>


granted they dont have any "super trucks" (srt-10, lightning) other than the silverado ss, but out of every truck i have driven, and trust me ive driven quite a few, they new chevy's ride the smoothest and are the most responsive. plus i think the look kick the crap out of the new ford, and are just as good as the ram.</P>

The new Ford Triton 5.4L that is in the 2004 F-150 is 30% redisigned from the old version of the engine. It's only in the new F-150's not the Lightning. It has the new 3V engine desgin and has 300HP/365TQ. It is still 330cid. They said it handles extremely well but the best 0-60 time I have seen is 7.8 seconds. That was in a Lariat Quad Cab 4X4. There might be lighter models like the FX4 Regular Cab that could be faster, but they have nottested those yet. </P>


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I have to disagree that the Chevy's look just as good as the rams, they look freakin' plain to me, yeah the Fords are boxy and ugly I think, but the Ram just looks so good. and I want Truck Trend to do a shootout with 2wd short bed reg cab with the new F150, Hemi Ram, andthe Chev. Can you say Landslide??</P>

I was in an argument with the owner of a 2004 Ford/SVT F-150 Lightning. He was saying how the HEMI engine is horrible. He laughed and said that the new HEMI's 345HP couldn't compare to the Lightning's 380HP. Here was my argument: The HEMI's 5.7L is NA, the Lightnings 5.4L is SC. The 5.4L without the Supercharger is 260HP. The HEMI with a Supercharger is 517HP. Besides, the point of HEMI's re-introduction in the Ram was for Heavy Duty purposes. What do you guys think?


Nothing to say, you said it all. The Hemi is the better engine. <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0"> <edited><editID>71ROADRUNNER</editID><editDate>38016.1027314815</editDate></edited>

I have to disagree that the Chevy's look just as good as the rams, they look freakin' plain to me, yeah the Fords are boxy and ugly I think, but the Ram just looks so good. and I want Truck Trend to do a shootout with 2wd short bed reg cab with the new F150, Hemi Ram, andthe Chev. Can you say Landslide??</P>


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Don't bet the farm! The 2wd Silverado sb with 5.3,3.73 gears and 5 speed ran 0-60 in 7.3 and 14.78 in the qtr.! I love my Ram but most of the Chevies are quicker!</P>

I am not sure I am going to add much to this discussion but I will try. I have a 2000 Ford F-150 4x4 super cab with the 5.4 and a 2003 1500 hemi 4x4 quad cab. Before I bought the Dodge I drove the GMC's and Fords. Additionally, my company purchases quite a large number of trucks each year for the fleet, I am part of that. I am talking work truck and light duty, not performance trucks.</P>


Racing a 2wd truck with regular cab compared to a 4x4 four door is not a good comparison. Not sure why that statement even needs to be made! Crap a chevy s-10 4.3 will smoke most large trucks simply based on hp to weight. Now load em up with equal weights and see what happens. The 5.4 is not a race engine guys it is a truck engine. It produes power down low and does not rev to the moon, like a hemi.</P>


My hemi does have more power than my 5.4 in the upper r's butnot enough to make mego around crowing like a rooster though. The hemi gets horrible mileage and performs poorly under low rpm with or without a load. I prefer my 5.4 in many situations and the hemi in others. Overall I like the valve of the Dodge but don't be sure that the 5.4 is a POS just because it "might" not win a drag race. My 2000 5.4 gives the hemi fits until 60, the hemi edges the ford out by a door length.</P>


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Sorry to break you guys hearts here, but the comparison between the Lightning and the Hemi Ram is not even a fair one. Just to quickly mention that the 500-hp Viper "Truck" isn't hanging with the Lightnings is enough said. The Hemi is a good motor, but pair both trucks up straight from the factory and the Lightning will smoke the Hemi every time. The Lightning was built with the sole purpose of hauling ass. the Hemi-Ram more for power and towing not for sport truck. Just food for thought. The only competition for the Lightning right now is the SRT-10, and it will be good.

Sorry to break you guys hearts here, but the comparison between the Lightning and the Hemi Ram is not even a fair one. Just to quickly mention that the 500-hp Viper "Truck" isn't hanging with the Lightnings is enough said. The Hemi is a good motor, but pair both trucks up straight from the factory and the Lightning will smoke the Hemi every time. The Lightning was built with the sole purpose of hauling ass. the Hemi-Ram more for power and towing not for sport truck. Just food for thought. The only competition for the Lightning right now is the SRT-10, and it will be good. </P>


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Have to agree with you. The fact that you are stating facts and not coming here and putting other vehicles down is great. Do me a favor, as soon as you see a Titan, smoke his a$$.<IMG src=smileys/smiley36.gif border="0">Lightning is built for Speed and the Hemi is multi functional. I have seen many Lightnings at the track, they are impressive. This coming season should be interesting, many mods are becoming available for the Hemi.</P>

You know SVT, I could careless, two of my neighbors have Lightnings (only is a 2001 that is souped up w/ over 450 horsepower, the other one is a stock 2004) and they don't impress me one bit. I rathier drive our 1999 Chevrolet Silverado 2500. All I have to do is throw on a VORTEC Supercharger on the 6.0L and damn, she will be cranking out more ponies and torque and a Lightning. So <IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0">!</P>


redriderbob</P>

SVT, are you serious? The SRT Ram beat the Lightning BY 4 thenths to 60, 7 tenths in the 1/4 Mile, and 7 MPH in the 1/4 Mile. They stuck 650lbs of weight in the bed of the SRT, and though it lost by two tenths to 60, it came back and beat the Lightning by 1 MPH and 2 tenths in the 1/4 Mile. By the way, it already outweighs the Lightning by 480lbs. Also, drag racing is only one kind of race, in a track race, the SRT would murder it, "This truck [Ram SRT-10] turns, corners, and handles more like a sports car than a truck." - TT </P>


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Blah Blah Blah, Who has driven a chev, a ford, and a
dodge with the best performance engines??? I
respect the 5.3 Chev Engine, f-150's are ok too, but
having driven all 3, and not just because I'm a Mopar
guy, the hemi is more impressive. You can throw
out all the 0-60, quarter mile stats, or whatever, if
you're giving stats, give them for all 3. My trusty ol'
Butt-Dyno tells me the Hemi pulls harder and all
around is the best runner. I have not driven an 04 F-
150 yet but I hopefully will so I can't be 100% sure.
but a 99 5.4 don't match up to the other 2. Yes I
know functionality is a big thing too, but I don't have a
4wd and I don't tow much, so I am gonna be more
performance speed oriented. I'm into trucks
because cars are not as fun, this is the only way to
get a v-8 Rear Drive that is fun and affordable. So
lets quit bickering and roll on with our trucks, ok? By
the way my friends 4.3L Extreme kicks the crap out of
me<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley18.gif border="0">but I just can't cram myself into mini's
anymore, lol.

well all i have to say is let dodge be dodge if they want to put a CAR motor in a truck so be it if thass what it takes to out perform ford then lettem have at it.....but its plain to see that dodge had to do that ONLY to beat the lightning....i mean come on nothing else dodge made that was a truck could out do the lightning..i read all your lil posts about how the dodge is better on the track or how it handles better and blah blah......have any of you people in here been on the track and drove a lightning and a dodge and saw how it was? all you say is yea man my dodge can whoop it yea yea yea....maybe on a street race maybe? and yea there are more mods you can add to the lightning to get it higher...yall wanna see?



2004 Lightning Performance
Power: 405whp
Torque: 515ft-lbs
1/4 mile: 13.66 @ 101.14mph
Motor: 5.4L, Triton 2 valve Supersharged
Turbo: None,
IC: Other, Eaton 112 SC W/Stock IC
Trans: Auto, Shift kit and valve body
Tire: Street, Stock F1 Goodyear Tires
Exhaust: Other, Borla Stingray Cat-back
Intake: Custom, C & L Cold Air with Accufab Singel Blade Oval TB.
Cam: Stock,
Nitrous: Nitrous Express,
Body: Black Flare-Side SVT



if yall want the link juss im me on aol...... xluckythurteenx peace out and hava good day

ORIGINAL: rangerGT83

well all i have to say is let dodge be dodge if they want to put a CAR motor in a truck so be it if thass what it takes to out perform ford then lettem have at it.....but its plain to see that dodge had to do that ONLY to beat the lightning....i mean come on nothing else dodge made that was a truck could out do the lightning..i read all your lil posts about how the dodge is better on the track or how it handles better and blah blah......have any of you people in here been on the track and drove a lightning and a dodge and saw how it was? all you say is yea man my dodge can whoop it yea yea yea....maybe on a street race maybe? and yea there are more mods you can add to the lightning to get it higher...yall wanna see?



2004 Lightning Performance
Power: 405whp
Torque: 515ft-lbs
1/4 mile: 13.66 @ 101.14mph
Motor: 5.4L, Triton 2 valve Supersharged
Turbo: None,
IC: Other, Eaton 112 SC W/Stock IC
Trans: Auto, Shift kit and valve body
Tire: Street, Stock F1 Goodyear Tires
Exhaust: Other, Borla Stingray Cat-back
Intake: Custom, C & L Cold Air with Accufab Singel Blade Oval TB.
Cam: Stock,
Nitrous: Nitrous Express,
Body: Black Flare-Side SVT



if yall want the link juss im me on aol...... xluckythurteenx peace out and hava good day






Are you a Dodge closet fan? You had to be reading the forum for hours to get back to this post!! Talk about bring it back from the dead.

First of all the Hemi is not a car motor.... As a matter of fact the Hemi in the truck is rated at more HP than the Hemi they put into the cars. Any car guy knows that engine blocks and internals are the same along all base engine platforms. Then different heads, intakes, injection, ect caters to the application.

2nd, it is not Dodge's performace truck, that is the SRT-10. Would you like to compare performance truck to performance truck?

Fords performance truck is the lightning, the fact that the Hemi (non-performance truck) is comparable to the lightning is rather embarrasing for Ford.

seriously...this thread has been dead for almost a year...who has time to dig that far back....[sm=wtf.gif]

i didnt know that this was done but to reply to the guy that said that the hemi wasnt a car motor um YES IT IS charger was the furst one that had it you need to dig back bruh seriously if you think hemi aint a car motor go look at chargers and dont try to come at me about old **** like that cuz you wont win........old hot rods and most of the newer are my fav.....so yea go look then COME at me like that ok? ok! and no dodge has no comparison to ford....and no im not a dodge fan as you CAN CLEARLY SEE FROM THE ****IN NAME RANGER!! YOU DUMBASS IS A FORD NOT DODGE I HAVE A RANGER so have a good day

ORIGINAL: rangerGT83

i didnt know that this was done but to reply to the guy that said that the hemi wasnt a car motor um YES IT IS charger was the furst one that had it you need to dig back bruh seriously if you think hemi aint a car motor go look at chargers and dont try to come at me about old **** like that cuz you wont win........old hot rods and most of the newer are my fav.....so yea go look then COME at me like that ok? ok! and no dodge has no comparison to ford....and no im not a dodge fan as you CAN CLEARLY SEE FROM THE ****IN NAME RANGER!! YOU DUMBASS IS A FORD NOT DODGE I HAVE A RANGER so have a good day


I could come up with some good adjectives to describe you but since I value this board I will hold judgement.

Oh, and since you are talking muscle car era Hemi.... That was an entirely different motor. The only thing shared here is the hemispherical shape of the pistons. So based on that, your Ford "truck" motor is the same as the SB Ford I had in my 68 Mustang! Some people.... :eek:

ORIGINAL: rangerGT83

i didnt know that this was done but to reply to the guy that said that the hemi wasnt a car motor um YES IT IS charger was the furst one that had it you need to dig back bruh seriously if you think hemi aint a car motor go look at chargers and dont try to come at me about old **** like that cuz you wont win........old hot rods and most of the newer are my fav.....so yea go look then COME at me like that ok? ok! and no dodge has no comparison to ford....and no im not a dodge fan as you CAN CLEARLY SEE FROM THE ****IN NAME RANGER!! YOU DUMBASS IS A FORD NOT DODGE I HAVE A RANGER so have a good day



somebody needs to change their tampon...geez

first off, dodge &gt; ford we'll get that out of the way early


next, learn to compare vehicles in the same class, the lightning has a power adder, its fords fastest truck its not in the same class as a hemi ram


and finally, if you wanna start an argument dont dig up an old thread, it just makes you look stupid


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