RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles?
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/4/2008 6:10:38 PM
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Rampant 150
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Search for this stuff on ramchargercentral. There is like 20 pages of this exact discussion.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/5/2008 1:45:39 PM
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turbododgepirate
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ORIGINAL: Rampant 150
Search for this stuff on ramchargercentral. There is like 20 pages of this exact discussion.
Their search feature doesn't work for poop. I typed in dodge and it gave me nothing.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/5/2008 3:19:59 PM
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racer9
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quote:
ORIGINAL: turbododgepirate
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ORIGINAL: Rampant 150
Search for this stuff on ramchargercentral. There is like 20 pages of this exact discussion.
Their search feature doesn't work for poop. I typed in dodge and it gave me nothing.
Heres the link; http://ramchargercentral.com/boards/index.php?topic=260.0
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'96 Ram Cummins, turned up and smokin'. 4X4, auto, Transgo shift kit, Lock-Rite, 4" downpipe to 5" stacks, homemade #100 plate, governor springs shimmed, homemade flatbed, Isspro gauges, bhaf.
'81 D150, 225 4spd O/D Just for fun.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/5/2008 3:43:11 PM
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racer9
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A good friend of mine was into hotrodding when it all got started. Back when they had to build or modify everything themselves, and we've had several discussions on doing this. Heres what we came up with.
On my truck, if the rear leafs were straight, rather than arched, it would drop about 4". You can buy any style leaf you want, you just need the measurements. The 4X4 front springs are straight.
BUT, if you're cheap like me, you leave the main alone, flip the 2nd leaf over and put it on top, that forces the main to flatten out. You may need to experiment and use the 3rd leaf also, depending on how much you want to go. You also cut the 2nd and/or the 3rd leaf about 4"-6" behind the u-bolt to allow flex and smooth the ride. You need the full length in front to prevent spring wrap up, and wheel hop. Check pinion angles, you might need the wedges.
That'll drop the rear.
In front cut the coil spring, start with 1/2 a coil until you get the right amount of drop. Also remove the bump stop brackets.
The main problem with cutting coils is you lose spring rate, so a better fix would be drop springs, and at $90 they're cheap.
I plan to do this when it gets warmer.
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'96 Ram Cummins, turned up and smokin'. 4X4, auto, Transgo shift kit, Lock-Rite, 4" downpipe to 5" stacks, homemade #100 plate, governor springs shimmed, homemade flatbed, Isspro gauges, bhaf.
'81 D150, 225 4spd O/D Just for fun.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/5/2008 5:22:44 PM
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I'm fixin' to take a shot at the Dakota spindles and swapping in the rack and pinion also. According to the r/c post, the brakes/rotors interchange,some debate on wheel brgs. Might have to machine some longer tie rod adjusters. My truck started life as a stripper slant 6, now a 440, and the manual box and spanish galleon sized steering wheel are way slow if it gets loose. It's near impossible to crank it fast enough to stay on top of it. Should be a vast improvement if I can get around the headers and oil pump with the steering shaft. I'll post some pics when I get started on it.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/5/2008 6:13:49 PM
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The only drop springs that you can get for these trucks are for the 94-01 ram. They are the same width, but one inch taller, so if you want a 3 inch drop, buy a 4 inch drop spring. Im going to try cutting a coil first though. The rear is easy- drop shackles.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/5/2008 6:22:55 PM
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racer9
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The only drop springs that you can get for these trucks are for the 94-01 ram. They are the same width, but one inch taller, so if you want a 3 inch drop, buy a 4 inch drop spring. Im going to try cutting a coil first though. The rear is easy- drop shackles.
Take a look about halfway down this page; http://www.truckinsuspension.com/index.php?cPath=96_98&sort=2a&page=5
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'96 Ram Cummins, turned up and smokin'. 4X4, auto, Transgo shift kit, Lock-Rite, 4" downpipe to 5" stacks, homemade #100 plate, governor springs shimmed, homemade flatbed, Isspro gauges, bhaf.
'81 D150, 225 4spd O/D Just for fun.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/6/2008 6:58:57 AM
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turbododgepirate
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Yes, the drop springs are available. Plus I understand that the 3/4 ton and 1 ton lower control arms will give an added 1" drop. Can anybody confirm that?
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/6/2008 8:00:14 AM
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turbododgepirate
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A recap stolen from the link Racer 9 gave me.
ok so lemme do a recap for any newbies that dont wanna flip through.
we will cover not bagged methods as bags are an entire other topic in them selves.
to lower the front there are several choices.
LOWER CONTROL ARMS
many 3/4 and 1 ton 2wd trucks use a different lower control arm. the spring cup is recessed which allows the spring to set lower. you need 2 of these lower control arms, the bolts, and need to drill the mounts for the larger bolts. now is a good time to beef the lca with any poly bushings you may use and or "boxing" the lca by welding flat stock to the bottom side.
another similar option is to use the ready (or not so ready) to bolt in lower control arms from chisholm or AIM.
you can also build your own set by cutting out the spring seat, and welding in a piece of 5" or 6" diamter pipe. and welding the spring seat into this.
there is also talk of modifying the ball joint mounts for better angles.
COIL SPRINGS
this is a bit broader.
dodge use a spring that is roughly 5" in diamter and 10" in length.
most any coil spring that fits these dimensions will physically fit. take 10" minus length and that is approximate drop if springs are both about as stiff
it is then up to you to decide if the spring rate is right for you.
vehicles with smaller diamter coils (the actuall wire wrap) gnerally are softer.
the increased weight of a dodge may result in even more drop (sag)
one example: 3" drop spring for an s10. [these will fit] the drop is based on a 4 cylinder model. by installing them in a dodge with v8, drop may be closer to 5".
for a firmer ride, a stiffer spring rate is needed.
a variety of springs (5''x9.5") can be purchased through a stock car racing out fit. $40 a piece.
chisholm also carries springs
coils can also be cut to further tune to your needs. these change characteristics slightly.
note: do not heat springs and alllow them to sag. this gives a slammed look but the spring will eventually collapse.
Dropped Spindles
at one time they were available, but are no longer.
happens to be that 1980s dakotas use the same spindle.
these are available through several manufacturers.
this is a viable option to drop approx 2" w/o changing alignment or geometry.
this fits 81-93 dodge rams. in order to install these on an older ram, you must machine the spindle to accept the smaller wheel bearing or swap to a later 81-85 rotor
thats about it for the front
there are several options to get that rear down low too (unless you like a mega-rake 70s style  )
Axle Flip
this is where the leaf spring is relocated. Instead of sitting on top of the axles, the leaf spring is moved under neath. To calculate drop you add leaf spring pack thickness + spring perch height + axle tube diameter + and blocks/axle shims
this is done by welding a new set of perches to the bottom of the axle. These perches can be found for about $3 through a place like northern that handles trailer supplies. Read the how to for more detailed info.
A commercially available axle flip can be installed as well. These are most any mid/full size truck with a 3� axle tube. Such as one off a 70s-87 chebby � ton.
Shackles/Hangers
this is simple. By moving the mounting points of the leaf springs, further up, the truck is lowered. There is commercially available sets for older dodges through AIM. Lowered sets for other trucks can be used. Most any hanger can be used off most any vehicle. You can simply drill new mounting holes higher up. Also you can purchase/build adjustable shackles. A longer one will result in more drop.
Leaf Spings
once again. The sky is the limit. Most any full size spring can be used if proper hanger/shackle mods are done. There are flatter springs available for many trucks. Not dodges. You can remove a leaf or 2. this will decrease load capacity and make for a softer ride but will also lower you a bit.
And shocks:
Belltech Nitro-Active Monotube Shock Absorbers $37.95-49.95 Front for a 1999-01 Silverado (same as dodge)
http://www.stylinconcepts.com/parts.cfm/partfamilyid/460/CategoryID/30/SubCategoryID/237
Belltech Nitro-Drop Twintube Shock Absorbers $37.95-39.95 Front for a 1999-01 Silverado (same as dodge)
http://www.stylinconcepts.com/parts.cfm?brand=&brandid=0&categoryid=30&color=&filterword=&orderby=0&partfamilyid=458&subcategoryid=237
Toxic Shock Drop Shocks $32-34.95
http://www.stylinconcepts.com/parts.cfm/partfamilyid/552/CategoryID/30/SubCategoryID/237
Colored Boots $9.95
http://www.stylinconcepts.com/parts.cfm/partfamilyid/676/CategoryID/30/SubCategoryID/237
and last of all the Edelbrock Performer IAS Shocks. lil spendy but got a limited lifetime warranty
http://www.stylinconcepts.com/parts.cfm/partfamilyid/115/CategoryID/30/SubCategoryID/237
< Message edited by turbododgepirate -- 2/6/2008 10:05:40 AM >
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/6/2008 7:25:37 PM
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Rampant 150
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Good stuff. If you are on ramchargercentral, search for a guy named cheeto. He is one of the pioneers for this stuff and has a sick lowered first gen. Keep the thread alive.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/7/2008 7:21:03 PM
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Rampant 150
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Oh and chisholm doesnt sell springs anymore.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/7/2008 8:07:45 PM
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i cant wait for summer. hopefully this post gets archived cause im gonna need it.
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/8/2008 8:30:07 PM
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Rampant 150
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Im still wondering if anyone on here knows anyone in the manufacturing business. Some custom made spindles would make my day (and all of yours too)
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RE: Any way to get d150 drop spindles? - 2/9/2008 12:48:11 PM
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racer9
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Well I played with my rear springs today, I'll have to do the front another day.
I took it all apart except for the main leaf and put weight on it just to see where I was. The main alone droops way too much for me, so I put the next longest spring with it. That makes it nearly flat with a slight arch. Sorry, no pics, and I don't have the new u-bolts or center pins to put it all back together yet, so it's still up on stands. I'm guessing about a 3" drop.
I have no clue how it'll ride, and I may still have to experiment with some of the other leafs, but it's a start.
When I get it back together and the fronts cut, I'll post some pics.
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'96 Ram Cummins, turned up and smokin'. 4X4, auto, Transgo shift kit, Lock-Rite, 4" downpipe to 5" stacks, homemade #100 plate, governor springs shimmed, homemade flatbed, Isspro gauges, bhaf.
'81 D150, 225 4spd O/D Just for fun.
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